Please guess my NTRP rating; video inside :)
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that means he's a true 4.0 given the huge number of sand baggers that enter these tournaments.
ttbrowne
Hall of Fame
Ha! Not 4.5. There were a couple of 4.5's on the court next to me this morning and they were killing the ball and placing it so well it made me sick.
This guy is 3.0-low 3.5.
And please if you're gonna post a video, do not preface it with "I'm not playing my best...not in top gear" stuff.
Just post it.
This guy is 3.0-low 3.5.
And please if you're gonna post a video, do not preface it with "I'm not playing my best...not in top gear" stuff.
Just post it.
ManuGinobili
Hall of Fame
BS! This thread is unique! and so are the other rate me threads!
TBH, I think they're good fun
If you don't like it then don't hate.OP, I like your positioning and shot direction, too bad against such opposition it's hard to judge how you'll do in tourneys and such. Since you're not in top gear I'd have to say the level being played in this video is about avg 3.5. There are 3.5s that hit like your opponent (they can't handle the spin!). But strong 3.5s know how to take advantage of your serve and how to hit realll hard against high bouncing balls. Of course some of those strong 3.5s are sandbaggers or would get bumped to 4.0s.
Conclusion is if you get the right kind of practice in you will get to 4.0 fast! Be glad you have good stroke foundation!
subz
Rookie
But I have to mention the fact ! I play according to the opposition I get, I have beaten this guy before and was hence relaxed and not so serious. About posting the video, this is first time I got a video of me playing, courtesy of my opponent, so I decided to post it ....
ttbrowne
Hall of Fame
K...I apologize. Sorry.
I cannot beleive the people who rate this guy as a 4.0 player. OP no disrespect but you are a 3.0 player. Period.
Here are some reasons why I think you are a 3.0 player.
1. In your entire video clip, forehand and backhand ground strokes are mostly (except one that I see) are landing way short, almost all close to serve line, and some shots inside the serve line. If you were playing with a 4.0 player all your balls landing that short will be punished.
2. I don't know if you purposefully making high bouncing shots with topspin to level your match with your friend, but your shots are way out of pace. Again, if you were playing with a 4.0 player, those slow paced balls will be good for your opponent to attack the net.
3. Your hitting partner's ball is seemingly not much of a challenge to you. If that was the case, and if you were to be a 4.0 player, the points should have been ended within 2-3 shots. A solid 4.0 player uses volleys and attacking the net, which I did not see in your clip. Even when you had a chance, you did not show any movement of coming into the net.
4. It is hard to tell just from this short clip with your serve. But I think there was one first serve in this clip, which is not a 4.0 player type serve.
Again OP, no disrespect to your game. In fact, I think you are a strong 3.0 player leading your way to 3.5 level. I just disagree with people who kind of over-rated. Good luck with your tennis!
Here are some reasons why I think you are a 3.0 player.
1. In your entire video clip, forehand and backhand ground strokes are mostly (except one that I see) are landing way short, almost all close to serve line, and some shots inside the serve line. If you were playing with a 4.0 player all your balls landing that short will be punished.
2. I don't know if you purposefully making high bouncing shots with topspin to level your match with your friend, but your shots are way out of pace. Again, if you were playing with a 4.0 player, those slow paced balls will be good for your opponent to attack the net.
3. Your hitting partner's ball is seemingly not much of a challenge to you. If that was the case, and if you were to be a 4.0 player, the points should have been ended within 2-3 shots. A solid 4.0 player uses volleys and attacking the net, which I did not see in your clip. Even when you had a chance, you did not show any movement of coming into the net.
4. It is hard to tell just from this short clip with your serve. But I think there was one first serve in this clip, which is not a 4.0 player type serve.
Again OP, no disrespect to your game. In fact, I think you are a strong 3.0 player leading your way to 3.5 level. I just disagree with people who kind of over-rated. Good luck with your tennis!
No disrespect to you but you're out of your freaking mind. A 3.0 player can bearly keep the ball in play.
Do you people even play NTRP league tennis?
fruitytennis1
Professional
Please watch yourself on video before saying something so stupid...He is a 3.5-4.0 player
Bud
Bionic Poster
Seriously, the OP has a decent serve... can move his opponent left to right fairly easily... can put away a short ball consistently and you call him a 3.0?
Put the OP in any USTA 3.0 league and he'll easily go undefeated... with very lopsided scorelines.
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H.Ju has way too many expectations of what 4.0 players should do. I've played a lot of different styles of 4.0 players and there is no mold that they all fit in, except being better all around than a 3.5.
I could say with confidence the solid 4.0s in my league would all lose to H.Ju's standard of 4.0 players.
I could say with confidence the solid 4.0s in my league would all lose to H.Ju's standard of 4.0 players.
RoddickAce
Hall of Fame
1. Some of his shots may be short, but they are often short ANGLED shots, stretching his opponent across the court, or are forced replies from extremely deep and high balls.
2. Federer practicing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_yWePjInF8
Looks slow doesn't it, looks very different in real life even though he's just practicing. Now compare the speed in the OP's video to the video above, taking into consideration that the players in that vid are pros.
3. This I can't comment on, since his opponent is only visible for what, 5 seconds? So all I can tell is, his footwork is slightly hesitant, his serve needs some work, his groundstrokes are high and deep, and the OP got him running around a lot. Also, note from 1:45 -1:48 in the OP's vid how his opponent handled a relatively deep and decent-paced shot.
4. The serve technique needs some work, I agree. But the pace isn't too bad.
And similar to what you said, no disrespect to what you said, but I just disagree your assessment of the OP's game.
I'd say 3.5, maybe 4.0. You look like you can beat any 3.0 quite easily. nice consistency and controlling the ball around the court without making errors, although the serve could have more pace. If you upped the pace a bit and kept the same control, you could be a 4.5. Depth is another important thing missing.
I guess I brought some unhappy people here with my earlier post. Well, I do not have any intend to insult or disrespect OP's game. And, I am sorry if OP, you felt that way.
But, as I said, he, in my view, is a strong 3,0 player leading to 3.5 level, which I think, most of you called me "a random guy" agree with. Read my post again, if you missed. And I agree that OP has good strokes, both fore and back, control of the ball, etc.
I was just pointing out, to the people rated 4.0, that OP's play is not at 4.0 level. Cannot agree with that, because of the reasons I posted earlier.
And I think the reason for posting "rate my tennis" here in TW forum is to ask for tips for improvement, no? And I was giving tips for OP. Don't be so harsh on me, I'm actually a nice guy. Don't tell me that you guys cannot agree with my posting about 4.0 level player...
But, as I said, he, in my view, is a strong 3,0 player leading to 3.5 level, which I think, most of you called me "a random guy" agree with. Read my post again, if you missed. And I agree that OP has good strokes, both fore and back, control of the ball, etc.
I was just pointing out, to the people rated 4.0, that OP's play is not at 4.0 level. Cannot agree with that, because of the reasons I posted earlier.
And I think the reason for posting "rate my tennis" here in TW forum is to ask for tips for improvement, no? And I was giving tips for OP. Don't be so harsh on me, I'm actually a nice guy. Don't tell me that you guys cannot agree with my posting about 4.0 level player...
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3.0? you can not be serious!!
I cannot agree with your posting about 4.0. The game always looks slower on video than it is for real. The guy hits consistent topspin groundstrokes. That's definitely a 4.0 game, with the foundation to take it to 4.5. You're vastly underrating this video, presumably because you are vastly overrating what you think you look like on video and then comparing this video to that vision.
What is your opinion on the famous "4.0 #1 singles" video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xB4RLZguN4
If you think anything less than 4.0, then you need to re-evaluate how you see tennis on video. I can point you to the record of this person (because it's me...) and prove that he is a lifetime 0.500+ 4.0 league player.
subz
Rookie
i have to admit that i do not know or care about rating, the way i see it thru this video, you can be 4.0 #1 single just to hit 6 feet over the net back and fourth? by the way, that's a hell of a series of nice lob.
for the sake of learning, let's analyse OP forehand: OP basicly hit the ball with a body rotation and a large loop of his arm, a moderate whip forehand, arm and body move independently. hand have draw a C that the lower part of the C is a curve, that will result in a loopy from low to high forehand. his ball clear the net 2, 3 feet. For this kind of stroke, OP have an excellent talent to hit 4,5 shot in in a row. in order to hit penetrating shot, OP will have lot to do with his mechanic. in my humble opinion, a 4.0 and above should have a better forehand than this. Please visit hi-techtennis.com to see how a 5.0 excecute his forehand. it's a long way to learn, but a fun way. don't be discourage about i what said, after all, we are here for the learning.
J.R.B., I think you are a .5 + 4.0 player. Much better than OP's game for sure. And, look I am aware of the video thing that you are keep talking about. I've been playing tennis for 13 years now, and beleive me I tapped my games a lot. With the video being slow, still what I see is that OP's and your game is different, your balls have much more depth (even considering that your opponent has a good depth too), your serve is much better than OP, much more pace on the balls. Your video tells me that my thinking of OP's game being at strong 3.0 (leading to 3.5) more sure. BTW, I always hear from people that I under-rate my game.
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Bud
Bionic Poster
Post a video of yourself playing.
Slazenger07
Banned
Dont mean to deflate egos or anything but no way youre 4.5. Im solid 4.5 and any of the points where you hit a slower short ball to me would be game over. Off the return of your serve you would be in trouble against alot of 4.0-4.5 level players I know. Your opponent wasnt skilled enough to make you pay, 4.0's and 4.5 will definitely make you pay. Possibly 4.0 but Im thinking that's a a bit of a stretch. Id say youre a solid 3.5. Keep working hard man!
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Bud
Bionic Poster
He was referring to the OP... based on the video... not himself.
JRB's already stated he's USTA #1 4.0
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RoddickAce
Hall of Fame
Thanks RoddickAce
You're welcome, but I was just calling it as I see it.
Like I said earlier, I believe you could be a 4.5 if you slightly refine your footwork and improve your serve technique.
Here are a few things I noticed that might help you refine your game. It seems like you have what it takes to go to the next level, but there are just some techical flaws.
Your footwork is pretty good right now, but it seems to lack explosiveness. One thing that I think will help refine your footwork is the split-step. Right before your opponent is about to hit the ball, do a slight hop. This will let you be more explosive with your footwork.
To be honest, if you watch your serve in slow motion, the form isn't too off. It's just that your swing isn't too explosive, and the timing of your weight transfer is a bit off. I think you just need to practice more and get more comfortable and natural with the service motion.
I like your forehand; very nice placement when attacking with angles.
On your backhand (I think I only saw one backhand aside from the return of serve), you might want to bring your racquet up before bringing it down to your hip on your takeback. Kind of like this: http://www.goroger.net/set/article/tennismag060808bh01.jpg
Good luck with your game!
subz
Rookie
Thanks for the advice. I am right now enrolled in a 10 lesson course and its mainly focused on movement. The coach also pointed out that I am not good at executing the split step. So split step is a big thing i want to focus on. Secondly, is my serve which works but I dont like it. I curve by back a lot. I am working on making it more compact and accurate.
People have been mentioning that I hit short BUT like you pointed out, my opponent hits some balls which are deep and high and they are hard to get by. I can take them earlier (on the rise) but in the video, on that day, I was moving back and trying to play a safer game.
Also, the last point in the video, the shot I hit before the winner, kicked higher than my opponents shoulder and he is 6 feet tall. All he manged to do was hit a short slice. I can hit deeper but these short balls against him work...
Again thanks for the post !
And to others, I am not offended when someone tells me what I am doing is wrong. The point of posting the video is to be able to identify the problems and to fix them
Which I hope to do. Unfortunately, on Monday I sprained my wrist, went to a doctor today, and she asked me to rest for a week. I have a game planned for Thursday, might go or might not ...will see.I will try to post a new video with me in top gear soonish !
And to avoid confusion, I don't mean the #1 4.0 in the USTA. LOL. Just the guy in that video.
As for the OP, I wouldn't put him at 4.5 because his opponent was not good enough to see how he handled shots under pressure that he would face in a 4.5 match here in the states, but his strokes have the potential to get there. Very nice consistent topspin groundies.
Bud
Bionic Poster
You play #1 spot on your league team, correct?
subz
Rookie
Then there are the curious type like me
I think its good to know at what level one is at and how one can improve his/her game.....
Bud
Bionic Poster
If you ever make it out west here, I'd love to play a match
I've been trying to find an opening on a 4.0 or 4.5 league for 3 weeks, now... I didn't realize it would be this difficult.
If you ever make it out west here, I'd love to play a match
I've been trying to find an opening on a 4.0 or 4.5 league for 3 weeks, now... I didn't realize it would be this difficult.
Yeah, sure thing, although the next time I come to San Diego will be the first. You should come here. There are plenty of openings on multiple teams in this league, both 4.0 and 4.5 in PA and NJ. I will be on 4 teams this summer (1 4.0 and 1 4.5 in both PA and NJ) and all 4 teams are currently actively looking for more players.
It's going to be an interesting year here this year since the ratings bump here was done very efficiently so that the best players at every level were the ones moved up. The two top teams in the NJ 4.0 league lost so many of their best players that one folded and the remnants merged, and even that combined team is vulnerable. In addition, there are several entirely new teams in the league that moved up from 3.5 almost in whole that nobody in the 4.0 league has any idea how good they are.
again, for the sake of learning, let analyse OP topspin: OP drawn a C with his large loop. the bottom of the C is a curve (supposed to be a straight line ) do to this mechanic, OP generate his topspin with a low to high racket path. ball clear the net high and land down with gravity: that's the old basic topspin, hitting hard this way, ball will find the fence. Ball should be hitted with a straight line (not a curve) to generated more impact and easier to aim. Topsin should be use with WW or a tilt racket face to conserve all energy. All 4.0 if do not know and execute this, then it is a disgrace to all of all 4.0 out there.
supineAnimation
Hall of Fame
3.0, 3.5 tops.
subz
Rookie
That sounds strange, since its my forehand, I can tell you that the harder I hit more rpm I can put on the ball. I also can hit very consistent flat strokes since I use a grip which an eastern grip BUT a bit close to being a semi western. To prove this I will try to upload another video
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there is several ways to create topspin:
1- hit from low to high
2- Windshield Wiper
3-Tilt racket face
4- snap the wrist with a tilt racket face
5- combination of these
now, tell me what is your clue?
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the harder you hit, the more brush up the racket face (topspin) is needed. these are independent motion, not just hit hard and the topspin is built in. Low to high can help you get the ball in, but not with all your force, just go out and try will see. no need discusion. what i think is you brush the ball up unintentionally (talent) but you do not notice.
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Bud
Bionic Poster
I'd bet the OP would beat you 6-0, 6-0
A topspin shot has only two physical ingredients, the velocity of the racquet in relation to the flight path of the ball and angular momentum generated by the racquet on the ball. Both of these factors are variable. There is no such a thing as "if you don't do this, you don't get a topspin".
And NO ball, I don't care how hard it is hit or how much spin it has, flies straight. The gravity is ALWAYS influencing the flight of the ball. By putting a topspin on the ball you can increase the the downward movement of the ball through Magnus force, but gravity is still the dominant force that is bringing the ball down to the ground.
Next time you are watching somebody like Nadal, see how much clearance he gets over the net like your "old basic topspin". The whole point of topspin is to give you more margin for error, by hitting it higher over the net and still bring it down inside the baseline.
The video clearly shows how much spin the poster is generating. The bounces on those balls are quite high. To say that he cannot be a 4.0 or 4.5 using this stroke is ludicrous.
Tennisman912
Semi-Pro
I believe in the 3.5 range is about right, maybe strong 3.5 to almost 4.0/low 4.0. Your strokes are far too good for the 3.0 level, but against a very weak opponent, it is taking quite a few shots to end a point. Pretty consistent as well, so again, not a 3.0. The serve is a serious liability against better 4.0 players and up though.
Without seeing you play against someone who can actually play some tennis, I couldn’t be any more specific than that because we can’t tell anything about your game under pressure, when it matters. Play against some computer rated 3.5 and 4.0s and see how it goes. But to imply that is 4.5 tennis as some suggest is ludicrous IMHO. Not even close. A 4.5 would be pummeling the serve and ending points on slower and/or shorter balls within a stroke or two at most.
You are certainly on the right track though. You have some potential to move up certainly. Keep working on your game and you can certainly improve. I for one, hope you reach your goals. Play against better players to get a better gauge of your game and what really needs work. And don’t put too much stock into any opinion of your NTRP level, especially in cyberspace. Because it is obvious that some either don’t play tennis or have no idea at all about the game. It is up to you to discern the difference. Play in competition and you will find out your level where the rubber meets the road, on the court. These threads are entertaining though.
Best of luck
TM
Without seeing you play against someone who can actually play some tennis, I couldn’t be any more specific than that because we can’t tell anything about your game under pressure, when it matters. Play against some computer rated 3.5 and 4.0s and see how it goes. But to imply that is 4.5 tennis as some suggest is ludicrous IMHO. Not even close. A 4.5 would be pummeling the serve and ending points on slower and/or shorter balls within a stroke or two at most.
You are certainly on the right track though. You have some potential to move up certainly. Keep working on your game and you can certainly improve. I for one, hope you reach your goals. Play against better players to get a better gauge of your game and what really needs work. And don’t put too much stock into any opinion of your NTRP level, especially in cyberspace. Because it is obvious that some either don’t play tennis or have no idea at all about the game. It is up to you to discern the difference. Play in competition and you will find out your level where the rubber meets the road, on the court. These threads are entertaining though.
Best of luck
TM
seem like you agree with me on brushing up the ball. there is no need to say no clue or have clue. Nadal hit with exagerated low to high, he fisnish his hand above his head, but if you notice clearly, he brush up the ball with a wrist snap forcefully.
Basic low to high is just hit from low to high with a vertical racket face. if you think that will have enough to bring it down, then next time , on the court, try that hard and see what you got.
i hope it will end the discusion with you. By the way, the best way to communicate in public is politeness. nice message reach people ear better. IMHO
