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[Deleted member 120290]

Who serves first in the 2nd set?

We played a friendly doubles 2 of 3 sets match.
We served 1st in the first set and lost 4-6.
At 5-4 our opponent served out the set to win 6-4.

After a short break I was getting to ready to serve.
One of the opponents said they get to serve 1st in the second set since we served 1st in the first set.
We told him that in a 2 out 3 sets match, the serves alternate. Therefore since they served the last game of the previous set, we serve the next game.

Then the guy said that is ridiculous and makes no sense. According to him, since we served 1st in the first set, it is only sensible that they serve 1st in the next set.
We told him that that alternating serve order is correct in 2 of 3 sets, and that no one is trying to pull one over on him.

We told him that it was just a friendly match, and let's not argue and ruin the mood and fun.
So we said let's just spin the racket and they won, so they served first.

So who should have served 1st in the second set?
The team that did not serve 1st in the previous set OR the team that received in the previous game.

 

[FiReFTW]

Per rules in doubles the serves alternate throughout sets till the end of the match between teams, so whichever team served last in the 1st set before the set was over will receive in the start of the next set.

Example:

Team 1 (players A B) vs Team 2 (players X Y)

Team 1 win coin flip and decide to serve first

They get to pick if player A or B serves first, players X and Y also get to decide which player will serve first in that set.
Both teams also choose which player receives from deuce or ad side.

Both of these decisions stay in effect until the end of the set.

Say Player A picks to serve first for team 1, and Player X picks to serve 1st for team 2.

It goes like this then:

Player A serves (team 1)
Player X serves (team 2)
Player B serves (team 1)
Player Y serves (team 2)

and repeat


If either Player A or B served in the last game of set1, then either Player X or Y will start serve in set 2, and vice versa.

In set 2 both players also get to decide which player serves first in their team and which player receives from ad and which from deuce, and that stays in effect till the end of that set.

 

[loosegroove]

Yeah, the team that returned in the last game of the previous set, serves to start the next set. You were right. And at the beginning of a new set you can change the order of servers. Meaning if your partner is the better server, he can serve first for your team in the second set, even if he was the last to serve on your team in the previous set.

Pop quiz hotshot, who serves first in the next set after a tie break?

 

[mikeler]

Yeah, the team that returned in the last game of the previous set, serves to start the next set. You were right. And at the beginning of a new set you can change the order of servers. Meaning if your partner is the better server, he can serve first for your team in the second set, even if he was the last to serve on your team in the previous set.

Pop quiz hotshot, who serves first in the next set after a tie break?

The team who received the first game in the set and also the first point in the tiebreak will serve first in the next set.

 

[loosegroove]

The team who received the first game in the set and also the first point in the tiebreak will serve first in the next set.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a wiener!

 

[Deleted member 120290]

The team who received the first game in the set and also the first point in the tiebreak will serve first in the next set.

 

[ByeByePoly]

If tennis rules violate his sensibilities ... golf rules will blow his mind.

The best proposed new golf rule ever:

Any putt that is followed by the comment "that is close enough to be blown in" may be blown in. Players are expected to limit this to 10 feet in order to prevent turning the game of golf into a travesty.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

@loosegroove

The team who received the first game in the set and also the first point in the tiebreak will serve first in the next set.

Yeah, the person/team that starts serving the TB has the TB count as their service game. Kind of dumb reasoning. But it does give the other team/player a chance to serve first for the next set.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

If tennis rules violate his sensibilities ... golf rules will blow his mind.

The best proposed new golf rule ever:

Any putt that is followed by the comment "that is close enough to be blown in" may be blown in. Players are expected to limit this to 10 feet in order to prevent turning the game of golf into a travesty.

I have seen badminton shuttles precariously balanced on the top of the net. You are allowed to blow it over the net as long as you don’t touch it or spit on it in the process. You can also swing your racket close to it to get it to fall on the other side; as long as you don’t touch it. Pretty sure that players on both sides of the net can try to blow or coax it over to the other side.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I have seen badminton shuttles precariously balanced on the top of the net. You are allowed to blow it over the net as long as you don’t touch it or spit on it in the process. You can also swing your racket close to it to get it to fall on the other side; as long as you don’t touch it. Pretty sure that players on both sides of the net can try to blow or coax it over to the other side.

Jeeze ...sounds like a spitfest to me.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Jeeze ...sounds like a spitfest to me.

But if spit is detected, you could call a foul and claim the point.

OTOH, it is rare for the shuttle to be perched on the top of the net. But it does happen because players are sometimes trying to hit very tight “hairpin” net drops that don’t rise much above the net. It is more likely that the feathers will get caught in the net on one side or the other rather than balancing perfectly on the top of the net,

 

[Steady Eddy]

Who serves first in the 2nd set?

We played a friendly doubles 2 of 3 sets match.
We served 1st in the first set and lost 4-6.
At 5-4 our opponent served out the set to win 6-4.

After a short break I was getting to ready to serve.
One of the opponents said they get to serve 1st in the second set since we served 1st in the first set.
We told him that in a 2 out 3 sets match, the serves alternate. Therefore since they served the last game of the previous set, we serve the next game.

Then the guy said that is ridiculous and makes no sense. According to him, since we served 1st in the first set, it is only sensible that they serve 1st in the next set.

It's ok not to know, but why would you argue when you must know that you're only guessing?

 

[r2473]

If tennis rules violate his sensibilities ... golf rules will blow his mind.

The best proposed new golf rule ever:

Any putt that is followed by the comment "that is close enough to be blown in" may be blown in. Players are expected to limit this to 10 feet in order to prevent turning the game of golf into a travesty.

This rule is biased in favor of those who do the best blow jobs

 

[Deleted member 120290]

It's ok not to know, but why would you argue when you must know that you're only guessing?

Read the post carefully. I wasn't guessing. That is why I was going to serve.
The opponent argued that his team gets to serve first. He was adamant and even Carlos Ramos could not have corrected him.
It wasn't worth the hassle. So I said let's just spin the racket for serve.

If I were wrong and the people corrected me, I would gladly apologize to the opponent and admit I was wrong.

 

[Steady Eddy]

Read the post carefully. I wasn't guessing. That is why I was going to serve.
The opponent argued that his team gets to serve first. He was adamant and even Carlos Ramos could not have corrected him.
It wasn't worth the hassle. So I said let's just spin the racket for serve.

If I were wrong and the people corrected me, I would gladly apologize to the opponent and admit I was wrong.

I'm sorry. I don't mean you. I mean your opponents.

 

[Deleted member 120290]

I'm sorry. I don't mean you. I mean your opponents.

Ah. I see.

 

[fuzz nation]

Gotta say it annoys the snot out of me when folks don't know the rules - as was the case with this opponent - and yet the guy was such a hard case about getting his way. I pretty much never need it, but I do have a copy of the rules in the bottom of my bag... along with a bunch of other "stuff". I probably have a secret phobia of locking horns with this sort of heavy.

 

[Deleted member 23235]

Who serves first in the 2nd set?

We played a friendly doubles 2 of 3 sets match.
We served 1st in the first set and lost 4-6.
At 5-4 our opponent served out the set to win 6-4.

After a short break I was getting to ready to serve.
One of the opponents said they get to serve 1st in the second set since we served 1st in the first set.
We told him that in a 2 out 3 sets match, the serves alternate. Therefore since they served the last game of the previous set, we serve the next game.

Then the guy said that is ridiculous and makes no sense. According to him, since we served 1st in the first set, it is only sensible that they serve 1st in the next set.
We told him that that alternating serve order is correct in 2 of 3 sets, and that no one is trying to pull one over on him.

We told him that it was just a friendly match, and let's not argue and ruin the mood and fun.
So we said let's just spin the racket and they won, so they served first.

So who should have served 1st in the second set?
The team that did not serve 1st in the previous set OR the team that received in the previous game.

the guy is probably (subconsciously) applying football or soccer rules (ie. i get possession in the first half, you get possession in the second half).
side note... similarly i see everyone new to soccer (but football fans), applying the american football "offsides" rule, on the soccer field (which is wrong).

 

[HuusHould]

What end do you take after a tibreak ends a set? Ive been told you swap ends regardless of which end you finish the set. I wouldve thought that the end you finish the tiebreak would be irrelevant and you should start the next set at the end you didnt start the tiebreaker?

 

[ByeByePoly]

What end do you take after a tibreak ends a set? Ive been told you swap ends regardless of which end you finish the set. I wouldve thought that the end you finish the tiebreak would be irrelevant and you should start the next set at the end you didnt start the tiebreaker?

https://m.wikihow.com/Play-a-Tennis-Tiebreaker

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Trade sides after the tiebreaker. If there is another set after the tiebreaker, the players will start the first game of the new set on the opposite ends of the court from where they ended up in the tiebreaker.