Please name one Nadal's weakness besides the one that he is still human.

Golden Retriever

Hall of Fame
I really can't see any. Maybe his serve is not as good as Sampras's, his forehand not as good Federer's, his backhand not as good as Safin's but they are hardly weakness. He is also quick, agile, smart, mentally tough,incredibly strong and durable. There is just no weakness to speak of.
 

150mph_

Semi-Pro
nadal is only durable before mid-july...
hard courts is the bane of rafa...

nadal's serve is not bad as he is hitting 125 with good placement...

his forehand is just as good as federer's if he choose to flatten it out but he rarely does it as he would rather pound his opponents with topspin shots

and from sunday's episode - the commentators definitely agreed that nadal's backhand is better than roger's
 

Virus

Rookie
I really can't see any. Maybe his serve is not as good as Sampras's, his forehand not as good Federer's, his backhand not as good as Safin's but they are hardly weakness. He is also quick, agile, smart, mentally tough,incredibly strong and durable. There is just no weakness to speak of.
His serve is his only real weakness. It's what killed him during the tiebreaks.
 

Sleepstream

Semi-Pro
I wonder if Nadal is in any pain when he plays these matches. With his previous injuries, I would think the knees would give him pain, but he just plays through it.
 

oberyn

Professional
I really can't see any. Maybe his serve is not as good as Sampras's, his forehand not as good Federer's, his backhand not as good as Safin's but they are hardly weakness. He is also quick, agile, smart, mentally tough,incredibly strong and durable. There is just no weakness to speak of.
I think his second serve can still be a liability.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
I'll give you a weakness.

Nadal does not do enough to take time away from his opponents.

I think it is the single biggest flaw in his game, and he will never win US or AO until he fixes it.

Examples:

1. Does not take nearly enough balls out of the air to rob opponent of time. Tends to bounce everything and attempt winner. He let Fed get away with floating his BH and returns for five sets and didn't wise up until his final service game. He was 2-0 when he followed his serve to the net on his own terms. [edit: Think how many times Nadal pulled Fed wide on the ad court, Fed floated a return, and Nadal waited until Fed had recovered into the court before striking the floater.]

2. Still tends to drift too far behind baseline for return and during rallies. Much better than before, but still could stand in there better.

Other than that, Nadal is almost perfect. I think his mental game was so much tougher than Roger's. He saved all of those break points; Roger didn't give all of them away. His returns at the end of the match were the best; he just willed those returns into the court.

And he did it on bad knees, while Roger has never played through pain so far as we know.
 
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150mph_

Semi-Pro
- serve
- volley
- backhand down the line
Volley - nadal can finish points at the net better than most ... his overhead is amazing...

Backhand down the line? have you gone to the wimbledon website lately? that tiny ad on the right about wimbledon live - features a nadal down the line backhand pass ... deadly !


I think his second serve can still be a liability.
sometimes he does throw in a slow kicker (he threw in an 85mph kicker at fed in the 2nd set yesterday) ... but havent seen it being punished in a while...
 

urban

Legend
Sometimes he has trouble to close out matches. Happened at RG this year with Djokovic and in the 2006 RG finals with Federer. Sometimes he needs to get hurt like a bull, to find his full ferocity.
 

h7hugo

Rookie
I think Rafa could have a better variaty of serves.....He serves 95% for the backhand of his opennent.... the 4.5% he serves to the body...and the .5% he serves to the forehand...
 

150mph_

Semi-Pro
I think Rafa could have a better variaty of serves.....He serves 95% for the backhand of his opennent.... the 4.5% he serves to the body...and the .5% he serves to the forehand...
not according to wimbledon statistics...

he clearly served to the body and forehand of federer numerous times and he had done that for the full 2 weeks...
 

Cenc

Hall of Fame
volley- yes he does finish points well but... BUT... he comes to the net only when he is sure he's going to get and easy ball back and when he gets tougher ball he cant do much with it
i mean he doesnt need that volley at all he is not and shouldnt be an all around player just because he is mainly a claycourter and he plays a good game for roland garros, one of maybe 5 best ever for clay but u cant call him a volleyer
backhand down the line as passing it sometimes works really well but during rallies he misses it too often and plays too rarely sometimes
about serve... far too weak for a pro player
 

Chadwixx

Banned
His slice backhand floats and doesnt get below the knee. Fed was wacking that waist lvl stuff every chance he got.
 

edberg505

Legend
volley- yes he does finish points well but... BUT... he comes to the net only when he is sure he's going to get and easy ball back and when he gets tougher ball he cant do much with it
i mean he doesnt need that volley at all he is not and shouldnt be an all around player just because he is mainly a claycourter and he plays a good game for roland garros, one of maybe 5 best ever for clay but u cant call him a volleyer
backhand down the line as passing it sometimes works really well but during rallies he misses it too often and plays too rarely sometimes
about serve... far too weak for a pro player
This is exactly right. If Federer or anyone for that matter were to camp on the forehand side and just keep hitting it too him crosscourt I'd be willing to bet that there is a less than 5 percent chance he'll hit a clean winner down the line.
 

falcon12

New User
His serve should be a bit better still.
But for me the more dangerous weakness especially on hardcourts is that he tends to get into defensive many times against lower ranked players, specially in his forehand side that many times lands short.However against the top 3 he usually lifts his level.
 

150mph_

Semi-Pro
volley- yes he does finish points well but... BUT... he comes to the net only when he is sure he's going to get and easy ball back and when he gets tougher ball he cant do much with it
i mean he doesnt need that volley at all he is not and shouldnt be an all around player just because he is mainly a claycourter and he plays a good game for roland garros, one of maybe 5 best ever for clay but u cant call him a volleyer
backhand down the line as passing it sometimes works really well but during rallies he misses it too often and plays too rarely sometimes
about serve... far too weak for a pro player
are you constructing your ideal player or what?

because whatever nadal has was good enough to win 2 grandslams and a SF (if Tsonga wasnt making every shot nadal would have been in the final)
 

Cenc

Hall of Fame
are you constructing your ideal player or what?

because whatever nadal has was good enough to win 2 grandslams and a SF (if Tsonga wasnt making every shot nadal would have been in the final)
i thought u wanted to hear nadals weaknesses

btw nearly ideal tennis player played his last match on the 2nd sunday of the 2002 us open...
 
most of the time, he plays 2 or 3 meters behind baseline!!! what an huge opportunity for players coming to the net !
And, it will be sad, but its brillant tennis will "kill" is body soon. it's so demanding I'm sure he won't be as hard to play as he was the last 2 years. unlike he just plays from march to july, then rest. love his game, his mental but his body is the weakness.
 

alonsin

Rookie
Same glaring weakness that Sampras had (Michael Chang once famously pointed it out) - He can't cook.
Actually he can, and apparently he does it quite well. But funny post.

I also think that his main weakness are his feet and knees, which are prone to injuries due to his style of play, but I'm sure he's taking care of that, at that he'll play in full health (aside from ocasional injuries) till he's in his mid twenties. He won't have a long career but it won't be short, average, something like 10-12 years
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
he hits the ball too short on hardcourts.
That sums it up. Flat ball hitters can hit right through some of his balls on faster hard-courts.

See: loss versus Federer 07 Master's Cup 6-4, 6-2, loss for Tsonga 08 Australian 6-2 6-3 6-2, Davedynko in 08 Miami 6-4, 6-2 ect.

That being said, he's improved a lot at flattening out his shots and is a threat to win every hardcourt tournament (though I doubt he'll be the favorite at the U.S. Open or any indoor event for at least a few years.)

Also, he seems to have a fair amount of injuries for someone his age. As amazingly effective as his strokes are--I doubt they're the most biomechanically sound.
 

tennis-hero

Banned
weaknesses

serve
a consistent backhand does not mean a great backhand

sucks on hard courts

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the only weakness in fed's game is the mental block he'll now have against nadal (and possibly the backhand on clay courts)
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
weaknesses

serve
a consistent backhand does not mean a great backhand

sucks on hard courts

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the only weakness in fed's game is the mental block he'll now have against nadal (and possibly the backhand on clay courts)
He doesn't suck on hard courts.

He currently owns 5 hard court singles titles (3 of them Master's Series). He's beaten Agassi, Federer and Djokovic in Hard Court finals.

He owns more hard court titles than grass titles.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
He doesn't suck on hard courts.

He currently owns 5 hard court singles titles (3 of them Master's Series). He's beaten Agassi, Federer and Djokovic in Hard Court finals.

He owns more hard court titles than grass titles.

Because there's a billion more HC titles then Grass titles.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Because there's a billion more HC titles then Grass titles.
A billion is a gross exaggeration.
State real numbers.

There are approximately:

30 ATP Hard Court Tournamanents
6 ATP grass court tournaments

During the season.

The question is what is his winning percentage on each surface.
 

pmhong

New User
No human player can be perfect. Nadal's weakness as someone mentioned is the hardcourt season. Not that he is a bad hardcourt player. He just gets worn out by August. It would be interesting what he does this year with his IMPROVED game.

Nadal's serve was definitely his weaker side. But as we all saw, it has improved a lot. It is not his strongest weapons, so we can say it is a weakness.

But as far as I can see, Nadal is as good as a tennis player can be. The only thing he has to prove is to finish the year as #1.
 

coloskier

Legend
His weakness is service returns on fast courts and forehands on fast courts that bounce too short. On clay and grass, his weakness chart is very small because a short heavy ball is just as effective as a deep, flat ball, which is not the case on a fast court.
 

Medved

Rookie
Maybe the only thing that will eventually slow Nadal down is age and injury (at least at the French). I love the way Nadal plays, so safe but with a lot of agreession in the same shot. My only question is why more players don't copy his style. I think that he's a good athlete, but I don't see his atheleticism as superhuman. It's definitely attainable for a lot of young players. He's left handed, but there has to be more leftys out there? Being left handed definitely seems like an advantage. Mentally Rafa is very sound. You don't often see guys coming from a wealthy enough backgroud to become pro tennis players with as sound a mentality as Rafa. I don't think he strokes are all that complicated. Federer's shots would be tougher for a young player to learn well.

So will we see more Nadal like players in time to come? I thought we'd see more Michael Jordan's when Jordan came out. I'm not sure we did. But really, why not?
 

Cenc

Hall of Fame
@150mph

no, real serve and volleyers would be able to dominate on fast hard and carpet courts - if players are unable to pass đoković i definitely dont think they would pass sampras or rafter or edberg who were like walls at the net
but the fact is that there are no real serve and volleyers in todays game - our greatest serve and volleyer is mahut and how can you compare mahut and sampras?! when mahut gets passed it doesnt mean sampras or rafter would get passed - they wouldnt
 

Wondertoy

Professional
Today's players don't know how to approach the net. They hit high bouncing approach shots that are in the strike zone of the receiver. Edberg and Rafter would approach with slice shots that would skid the ball and keep it low which makes passing and lobbing more difficult, especially if you have Rafa's extreme grips. So the commentators believe that you can't approach the net which IMO is a falsehood.
 
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