Point of diminishing returns with coaching

zill

Hall of Fame
First thing I noticed. I realize it's just hitting practice, but there isn't much, if any athletic movement. Better video would be match/point play for reference.
This video was made when I was already very tired. I was hitting very lightly.
 

Curious

Legend
@zill, I am 52 and hoping to make substantial improvement in my tennis. You are 32 and a much better player than me. With this ambition I'm sure you will improve a lot but forget about the numbers, man. Just enjoy the already good level and get higher and higher bit by bit and keep enjoying. When you mention ATP points etc you could be in the delusional territory which could really hurt you later.
 
@zill, I am 52 and hoping to make substantial improvement in my tennis. You are 32 and a much better player than me. With this ambition I'm sure you will improve a lot but forget about the numbers, man. Just enjoy the already good level and get higher and higher bit by bit and keep enjoying. When you mention ATP points etc you could be in the delusional territory which could really hurt you later.
It’s possible to get better in certain aspects of the game at any age. Better patience, mental focus, strategy and tactics come with age. Will 50+ year old players regularly notch the “w” over advanced players half their age? Of course not. But can national level seniors compete well with them? I see it every day. Part of it is a culture. Where I play most there is a culture of welcoming, and folks of many disparate ages play together. The spiritual leader at our facility has set this tone of mutual welcoming and respect. That’s something TTW could use more of, I think. [emoji462][emoji471][emoji462]


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ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Where I play most there is a culture of welcoming, and folks of many disparate ages play together. The spiritual leader at our facility has set this tone of mutual welcoming and respect. That’s something TTW could use more of, I think.
Lucky to have our facility be the same. I hit with and get to hit with a wide variety of players - young/older, athletic/no-so-athletic, 3.0's to college players who practice at the facility. Many I have seen grow up and go from kids I would hit with to college players that hit me off the court. Having a song in the mix probably helped open that door, but overall everyone just likes to get out and be on court with people.
 
Lucky to have our facility be the same. I hit with and get to hit with a wide variety of players - young/older, athletic/no-so-athletic, 3.0's to college players who practice at the facility. Many I have seen grow up and go from kids I would hit with to college players that hit me off the court. Having a song in the mix probably helped open that door, but overall everyone just likes to get out and be on court with people.
Both groups learn from one another. We get to see a level of pace and movement none of our contemporaries posses. They learn about patience, shot selection, and the virtue of variety. [emoji56]


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It’s possible to get better in certain aspects of the game at any age. Better patience, mental focus, strategy and tactics come with age. Will 50+ year old players regularly notch the “w” over advanced players half their age? Of course not. But can national level seniors compete well with them? I see it every day. Part of it is a culture. Where I play most there is a culture of welcoming, and folks of many disparate ages play together. The spiritual leader at our facility has set this tone of mutual welcoming and respect. That’s something TTW could use more of, I think. [emoji462][emoji471][emoji462]
Are you volunteering to be the TTW spiritual leader? :)
 

navigator

Hall of Fame
Well jolly has a job and he is 5.0. Topspin shot is, Max mag from here is 5.0. Navigator is 5 0. (But old 5.0, pretty sure jolly, topspin shot, maxmag would easily beat navigator)

But oh wait. Navigator is wealthy and retired. And he doesn't have a job and plays basically full time.
Purely for the sake of accuracy:

I'm 50 (years old) but not a 5.0. 2017 was the first time I ever had an NTRP rating and it was 4.5T. My doubles partner got bumped to 5.0T this year and I beat him half the time. But he's a rare (and probably weak) 5.0 that I can beat. Topspin Shot beat me very easily (recently), Maximus beat me without much trouble (a few years back), and Jolly would almost certainly beat me pretty easily as well. I'm not going to be very competitive with a "true" 5.0 player. As I think most of us know, a 0.3 or 0.4 difference in NTRP might not seem like much statistically, but it's pretty large once you're on the court.

I have a job, although I'd classify it as part-time right now. I play about 10 hours of tennis each week. I think of "full time" as being twice that amount, but I don't really know.

Again, just for accuracy.

Now, as to whether the OP will get an ATP point? The odds are not meaningfully different from zero. Reach a "true" 5.0 level? I'm generous - I'll give him 2% odds, or thereabouts.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
That was 9 months ago. I'm different level now so to speak. That video does not reflect my play now. For starters I now use a different racquet! Also my backhand was completely off that day. I will post a current video soon.
I see some similarity in the loopiness of the take-backs.
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
OP's not taking shots at anyone. He's just set a goal for himself that most believe is irrational. However, if that's what drives him, more power to him, and I wish him the best. I'm sure there are advanced kids who watch a lot of adult 4.0s and laugh too at all their practices and drills knowing that most of those folks are never going to play at anywhere close to the levels the kids have already got to. It's all good as long as you don't go over the edge like TTPS did when you fail to improve despite all the commitment.
 

snvplayer

Hall of Fame
I find that getting coaching two times a week for 1 or 1.5 hours each time is very good and needed. I play 4 days a week so improving healthily at the moment. I am able to afford coaching on one more day a week. However, is the return I'm getting from that extra hour not that much compared to getting coaching two times a week? I'm not exactly rich so want to use my $ as best and efficiently as possible.

Note I'm a 4.5 looking to improve to 6.0 and beyond eventually. I will be increasing my tennis playing days to 6 days a week in the course of a year. Just trying to get stronger first as well as getting better technique.
I think the question is what do you think your coach can provide in the extra hour? Drill? Technique? Watch your match play and provide feedback? The only way to find out is to try out.
 
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