Point play video, feedback appreciated.

I made this video last week - I actually posted an earlier version of it a week ago but it was at the end of a series of other links so I didn't get comments about the point play.

I'm the old guy closest to the camera. We were playing up to 11 but the video camera support failed before we had finished. Duct tape doesn't stick very well to tennis fence netting. I was a bit rusty, as I had been off for a month with an achilles injury and this was only my third hitting session since returning.

Would appreciate any comments about strokes, serves, shot selection, movement, court positioning etc.

Thanks!

Here is the video. Sorry about the poor video quality, it was shot on a Blackberry.
 
pretty simply put you need to hit a zillion more balls, none of your strokes look grooved.
Your serve lacks flow, the ball toss is too left and you are not getting high enough or rotating your shoulders enough. It is quite clear you are trying to pronate and full credit to you for learning that.
Your movement is your biggest issue as a whole as you were pretty much never balanced for any of your strokes. Clay courts can be difficult to master movement on. Until you can provide your strokes with a dynamically balance base of support you will struggle to learn to control the swing and therefore control the ball

best of luck
 
pretty simply put you need to hit a zillion more balls, none of your strokes look grooved.
Your serve lacks flow, the ball toss is too left and you are not getting high enough or rotating your shoulders enough. It is quite clear you are trying to pronate and full credit to you for learning that.
Your movement is your biggest issue as a whole as you were pretty much never balanced for any of your strokes. Clay courts can be difficult to master movement on. Until you can provide your strokes with a dynamically balance base of support you will struggle to learn to control the swing and therefore control the ball

best of luck

Thanks for the feedback, Solat. Appreciate you taking the time to comment.

Serve; yes, I know. This is one thing I am working on but sadly whenever I play points or sets I revert to my old near-horizontal arm action. Not good. I know I have to hit thousands of practice serves to get the right motion grooved.

I agree with you completely about movement. I'm capable of hitting both a decent topspin BH and FH provided I am in the right place at the right time but so often I find myself slightly out of position or off balance and have trouble finding the ball at the right contact point, if that makes sense. It isn't that I'm particularly slow for my age (49) and I have no trouble tracking down most balls. The problem is that when I get to the ball I find myself slightly out of position and off balance. I can't use the clay as an excuse - I learned to play on this surface and hard courts are basically non-existent in Kenya.
 
Learn to hit a spin serve.. It will really open up your game. You are a lefty and would kill with it. It also makes it easy to learn to swing the racquet on edge..

http://www.feeltennis.net/improve-the-feel-on-the-slice-serve/

Watch this video - do what this guy says. If you learn this basic slice serve you are really going to be able to play so much better.

Yes you can ace some guys with your current serve but learning a basic slice serve is a stepping stone to learn a good kick serve, a good 'hard' serve and good topspin/slice serve..
 
you have unnecessary movement in your service motion which will do no good but tire you and decrease accuracy.
you play a simple serve so my advice is not to jump after the serve and follow through to your right leg.
I know its tempting to follow through to your left leg as it allows you to create more spin, but it also puts alot of effort on your left shoulder and wrist. following through to your right leg will increase the fluidity of your motion, increase the accuracy and make you feel comfortable on your wrist nd shoulder while serving.
 
Yes learn to serve properly NOW!!!!!! If you do not at this phase of your learning you will have this terrible serve for the forseeable future. You look like a relative beginner so this is the time to fix it. Do not play matches with a serve like that. It will reinforce the bad motion. Get a coach and work on your serve. The ground strokes can be more easily done on your own. the serve cannot.
The serve is so bad you need emergency intervention. Seriously. It is terrible. It can't be solved via ttw. You need someone to show you where the arm and racket need to be at each phase of the motion by physically manipulating your hand/arm and racket through the different positions so you can feel your arm in the right spot in space.
 
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I'm going to have to second arche3. The rest of your game has holes, but those are more fixable, and more importantly won't lead to injury. Your serve will. A bunch of other posters and I commented on this on another thread a month ago I believe.
 
I have never posted here, but I saw this and felt the need to chip in. First, I applaud you for posting your video; it shows courage and passion for the game and the desire to want to improve. Secondly, your game is fine! If you are enjoying yourself and getting exercise and feel like you are improving, that is the important part. Thirdly, your game is a living breathing thing, it will continue to evolve, and so while there are many good observations about your video, they may or may not be accurate in another month’s time, because your game is continually changing.

If you want to improve your game there are many ways to do so. The first, as already mentioned above, is to find a pro if you have the resources to do so. BE SELFISH!!!!! Just because one person likes their pro, doesn’t mean you will. Don’t be afraid to try multiple pros out, this is a personal relationship and everything from how the pro plays, to their communication style makes a difference in how you learn. Pros are expensive though, and not everyone can afford one. If you do have the resources to work with a pro, get the most out of your lessons. A few tips (and I am sure there are many more good ones out there), don’t be afraid to take notes on a little pad. Either during the lesson, or if not convenient, right after the lesson. Warm up beforehand, so you are warm when the lesson starts, that way you use your full time for the lesson. I personally love video. It has been a while since I have taken a lesson, so this may no longer be the case, but a lot of pros I asked for video wouldn’t do it. I wasn’t sure why, but I could guess that maybe they weren’t comfortable analyzing video. Either way, things happen so quickly video is a great tool for a pro to break down your strokes.

Secondly, we are blessed with technology now that we didn’t have 10 years ago to help improve our games. You have already embraced this by videotaping yourself, an excellent idea. Leverage resources online. There is plenty of free content (the USTA [usta.com] has some good videos of various pros and their strokes.) Of course there is tons of stuff on youtube as well. There are various paid sites to also consider, such as John Yandell’s Tennisplayer.net, which has very good instruction articles and video (you also will see him posting here as well.) I personally think he is an excellent online tennis instructor (would love to take a lesson from the guy) and has a number of visionary lessons on his site. There is also Tennisone.com, where John used to be years ago and they also have very good instruction/ content, and there are countless other sites (fuzzy yellow balls, etc.), both paid and unpaid. You have awareness of where you are now because of your video, and you can compare this to where you want to be with online video of pros. Current state awareness, and future state target are important to making changes.

There are the more traditional methods as well such as reading books. There are plenty of excellent books on stroke mechanics/ technique, strategy, mental preparation, emotional stability, etc. etc. I personally recommend “The Inner Game of Tennis” by Timothy Gallwey (I hope it is still in print.) It is excellent! It won’t necessarily give you the stroke mechanics, but it teaches you how to learn (I know I am supposed to drop my racquet behind my back on the serve but never do, why can’t I do this and how do I change?) So it doesn’t teach you what you need to know, as much as it teaches you how to apply what you already know into your game. This book is read by coaches in other sports because the lessons it teaches are applicable to other aspects in life, a very good read.

Lastly, a word of caution. While this community is a great way to improve your game, tread carefully. People have different ways of describing the same thing (I say drop the racquet, someone else says swing it in a loop), there isn't always a consensus on how to do something, and people have different ways of interpreting the same thing. While I might give a piece of stroke mechanic advice one way, another poster might say the same thing a different way. You may take it to mean yet something different. Be careful how you take advice on these forums. There is a lot of great knowledge here, but make sure you understand what is being said. Heck, I have been to teaching pros that will either outrightly contradict each other on the same topic, or, will give the same instruction, but say it different ways.

So, keep playing and don’t get discouraged, your game will continue to improve! As you displayed a huge amount of courage by posting that video, it also takes similar courage to go to a pro. It is hard, especially as an adult, to have someone critique us. However, as you just exposed yourself to a whole forum in the name of getting better, I think you are already half way there.

I will repeat one thing that was already mentioned above. I am no tennis teaching pro, but do consider watching some serve videos online and try to incorporate some changes as soon as you can. Your racquet does travel a path on the serve that might cause some injury (I am no orthopaedic either, so take this as you may.)

Keep playing, it looks like you have passion for tennis, and that is the most important aspect of getting better! It will all be worth it when you finally break that bad habit, or you beat your big rival.
 
In the entire sequence, you hit, maybe, two good groundstrokes and one half-way OK serve.

That is not really meant to be a criticism- it just means that if you can do it once (or twice), you are on the right track and the more you practice- moving into position, setting up, and stroking through the ball- the more likely it will become that the good strokes will, eventually, out-number the poor ones.

For, example, your serve- you seem to know what you want to do- it is just not all coming together most of the time- sometimes you leave your tossing arm reaching up, other times you drop it down. My sugestion, here would be to actually point at the ball with your index finger until just before your racket begins its upswing- then pull it down to your chest.

Your movement, in general is "squishy"- imprecise. You need to practice your strokes (forehand and backhand) without a ball until you regain the feel of a smooth, solid stroke- and then, when you practice on court, with a ball, get to the ball early enough to set up- so you can duplicate the same effortless flowing stroke you practice without the ball.

Be patient. Don't expect instant change. More practice- with a partner or with a wall, will do more to benefit your game, at this point, than actual play.
 
I have never posted here, but I saw this and felt the need to chip in. First, I applaud you for posting your video; it shows courage and passion for the game and the desire to want to improve. Secondly, your game is fine! If you are enjoying yourself and getting exercise and feel like you are improving, that is the important part. Thirdly, your game is a living breathing thing, it will continue to evolve, and so while there are many good observations about your video, they may or may not be accurate in another month’s time, because your game is continually changing.

If you want to improve your game there are many ways to do so. The first, as already mentioned above, is to find a pro if you have the resources to do so. BE SELFISH!!!!! Just because one person likes their pro, doesn’t mean you will. Don’t be afraid to try multiple pros out, this is a personal relationship and everything from how the pro plays, to their communication style makes a difference in how you learn. Pros are expensive though, and not everyone can afford one. If you do have the resources to work with a pro, get the most out of your lessons. A few tips (and I am sure there are many more good ones out there), don’t be afraid to take notes on a little pad. Either during the lesson, or if not convenient, right after the lesson. Warm up beforehand, so you are warm when the lesson starts, that way you use your full time for the lesson. I personally love video. It has been a while since I have taken a lesson, so this may no longer be the case, but a lot of pros I asked for video wouldn’t do it. I wasn’t sure why, but I could guess that maybe they weren’t comfortable analyzing video. Either way, things happen so quickly video is a great tool for a pro to break down your strokes.

Secondly, we are blessed with technology now that we didn’t have 10 years ago to help improve our games. You have already embraced this by videotaping yourself, an excellent idea. Leverage resources online. There is plenty of free content (the USTA [usta.com] has some good videos of various pros and their strokes.) Of course there is tons of stuff on youtube as well. There are various paid sites to also consider, such as John Yandell’s Tennisplayer.net, which has very good instruction articles and video (you also will see him posting here as well.) I personally think he is an excellent online tennis instructor (would love to take a lesson from the guy) and has a number of visionary lessons on his site. There is also Tennisone.com, where John used to be years ago and they also have very good instruction/ content, and there are countless other sites (fuzzy yellow balls, etc.), both paid and unpaid. You have awareness of where you are now because of your video, and you can compare this to where you want to be with online video of pros. Current state awareness, and future state target are important to making changes.

There are the more traditional methods as well such as reading books. There are plenty of excellent books on stroke mechanics/ technique, strategy, mental preparation, emotional stability, etc. etc. I personally recommend “The Inner Game of Tennis” by Timothy Gallwey (I hope it is still in print.) It is excellent! It won’t necessarily give you the stroke mechanics, but it teaches you how to learn (I know I am supposed to drop my racquet behind my back on the serve but never do, why can’t I do this and how do I change?) So it doesn’t teach you what you need to know, as much as it teaches you how to apply what you already know into your game. This book is read by coaches in other sports because the lessons it teaches are applicable to other aspects in life, a very good read.

Lastly, a word of caution. While this community is a great way to improve your game, tread carefully. People have different ways of describing the same thing (I say drop the racquet, someone else says swing it in a loop), there isn't always a consensus on how to do something, and people have different ways of interpreting the same thing. While I might give a piece of stroke mechanic advice one way, another poster might say the same thing a different way. You may take it to mean yet something different. Be careful how you take advice on these forums. There is a lot of great knowledge here, but make sure you understand what is being said. Heck, I have been to teaching pros that will either outrightly contradict each other on the same topic, or, will give the same instruction, but say it different ways.

So, keep playing and don’t get discouraged, your game will continue to improve! As you displayed a huge amount of courage by posting that video, it also takes similar courage to go to a pro. It is hard, especially as an adult, to have someone critique us. However, as you just exposed yourself to a whole forum in the name of getting better, I think you are already half way there.

I will repeat one thing that was already mentioned above. I am no tennis teaching pro, but do consider watching some serve videos online and try to incorporate some changes as soon as you can. Your racquet does travel a path on the serve that might cause some injury (I am no orthopaedic either, so take this as you may.)

Keep playing, it looks like you have passion for tennis, and that is the most important aspect of getting better! It will all be worth it when you finally break that bad habit, or you beat your big rival.

Nice post. Good advice here.
 
That is not really meant to be a criticism- it just means that if you can do it once (or twice), you are on the right track and the more you practice- moving into position, setting up, and stroking through the ball- the more likely it will become that the good strokes will, eventually, out-number the poor ones.

I'd like to share an observation about this. In some cases, you are correct, and practicing is all that is needed to perfect a skill. However, if your form is off, practicing will not help. So many people who are currently getting inconsistent results think that more practice will improve their consistency, but they never seem to get it right. This is because (excuse the cliché) practice does not make perfect but rather perfect practice that makes perfect.

In the OPs case, I believe he will improve by practicing, but practicing the strokes he currently has will lead to a lot of frustration and will be very inefficient (and in the case of his serve, is likely to cause injury). If his goal is to become the best player he can be, what he really needs is good quality coaching.
 
I made this video last week - I actually posted an earlier version of it a week ago but it was at the end of a series of other links so I didn't get comments about the point play.

I'm the old guy closest to the camera. We were playing up to 11 but the video camera support failed before we had finished. Duct tape doesn't stick very well to tennis fence netting. I was a bit rusty, as I had been off for a month with an achilles injury and this was only my third hitting session since returning.

Would appreciate any comments about strokes, serves, shot selection, movement, court positioning etc.

Thanks!

Here is the video. Sorry about the poor video quality, it was shot on a Blackberry.
The video is good, imo. Good angle. Pretty good quality. I'm not qualified to critique your play. I'll just say that I enjoyed watching. Post more. Also, I really like your username. :)

You hit some good shots. Looks like you're a fairly laid back, relaxed player. That's cool, imho. Important thing is to have fun, while at the same time crushing your opponent. :)
 
Thanks to all who took the time to comment on this thread. I'm sorry I did not respond earlier but I have been away on holiday, and when I go away I leave the computer behind. But I have now read all your comments and really appreciate the feedback.

My takeaway:

Serve. Yes, I know. My New Year's resolution is to find a good coach and completely rework this aspect of my game. I'm actually not too concerned about injury - I never ever get any shoulder pain. But the motion is basically cr@p and I need to start over.

Strokes. #1 Issue is poor movement. This video was shot shortly after I came back after a month off for an Achilles tendon injury so it was no wonder I did not look very grooved. Thing is I am 49 and only took up tennis 4 years ago so muscle memory is not deeply ingrained. Next time I take a video I will make sure that this is after I have been playing for a couple of weeks so at least I am not struggling to find my contact points. This probably feeds back to the poor movement... if I am not sure where the contact point is supposed to be then this will probably make my movement more uncertain ("squishy" as someone said).
 
Thanks for posting the video! I think you're doing great and like all of us just need to hit a ton of balls. With YouTube it's easy to find tips for improving every aspect of our games so try to use each session of court time to tweak one aspect of your game until its near where you want it to be. Short of playing like a prime Federer, I don't think we'll ever be fully happy with our games. :)

Have a great new year!
 
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