Poll about Nadal & Djokovic rivalry

What would you rather?


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Thetouch

Professional
Who cares about H2H historically?

It's all about winning slams, period.
Well that is exactly why it matters. If Nadal hadn't had a positive h2h Slam record over Roger and Novak then he would have won much less slams. Nadal has beaten Djokovic and Federer in like 12 Slam finals. Had he lost these matches (and those matches where he went through either one of them before winning other GS finals) then he would have had at least 12 Slams less while Federer and Djokovic would have had like 5 or 6 slams more. Every damn match is a h2h face off. The reason why the Big 3 have almost 60 slams combined is because they have like a 90% or maybe 95% winning h2h rate over most of the other players. So saying h2h doesn't matter is just ignoring reality.
 
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octogon

Hall of Fame
The latter obviously. Slam matches carry far more weight, and a 2 match overall lead feels statistically insignificant. Having a 4 match slam H2H advantadge feels huge.

Djokovic fans are sensitive about this though. Enough of them complained about my "10-6 being a problem" thread to get it nuked by mods. Still, it had a glorious 10 page run.LOL!

If they can get that thread nuked, I fear for this one's safety. Ridculous the kind of threads that are allowed to survive or not.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Magnificent thread. Sunday was huge. Massive. 10-6 is a domination. 9-7 was a rivalry.
I have noticed some very regular Djokovic posters on here have disappeared which shows how big that match was. It feels bigger now then it did at the time because of reactions across the globe.
You speak only in the language of truth.
 

Devtennis01

Hall of Fame
I am surprised at all the slam deniers on this forum. They want to bring in weeks at No.1, big titles, head to heads.
But it's always been about slams, and slam h2h trumps any other h2h.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
I am surprised at all the slam deniers on this forum. They want to bring in weeks at No.1, big titles, head to heads.
But it's always been about slams, and slam h2h trumps any other h2h.
no, it has never been always about the slams. weeks at number 1 is nearly as important. and the most important slam is still wimbledon, where nadal sucks in comparison to hid rivals.
 
no, it has never been always about the slams. weeks at number 1 is nearly as important. and the most important slam is still wimbledon, where nadal sucks in comparison to hid rivals.
100% disagree on both counts. No, weeks at #1 not nearly as important as slam count, plus a slam is a slam, there's 4 of them counting equally towards the slam race.
 

Devtennis01

Hall of Fame
no, it has never been always about the slams. weeks at number 1 is nearly as important. and the most important slam is still wimbledon, where nadal sucks in comparison to hid rivals.
It really is all about the slams. Listen to interviews with Graf, Sampras, Navratilova and Agassi and many more greats. They all say slams are the no.1 thing.
I am not saying No.1 is not important, but it is not as important as slams.
When I say it is all about the slams, it means that everything greats do is geared around slams.
Be in denial if you must.
As for Nadal sucking at Wimbledon. 2 titles and 3 runner ups. OK, then....
 

Hotpockets

Rookie
Nadal fans will say Djok got his wins over him when Nadal was in a slump and not really himself which is true. Djok fans will say Nadal is all clay skewed which is true too. I mean no one wins this because its too close to call and as a Fed fan

 

thrust

Hall of Fame
Who cares about H2H historically? It wasn't even mentioned prior to about 15 years ago. It's all about winning slams, period. Nobody knows or cares about the H2H in other previous great rivalries and no one will care about current H2H's in 10, 20 or 30 years.
H-H is relevant if the difference is significant. With Novak and Rafa it is about even, overall, so not significant. Nadal vs Federer is more in Rafa's favor, so is somewhat significant. The weird thing about the Fed-Rafa H-H is the older Fed got the better he has done against Rafa. I would think that Rafa's slam H-H advantage vs Roger and Novak is largely based on their FO matches?
 

Thriller

Semi-Pro
Who cares about H2H historically? It wasn't even mentioned prior to about 15 years ago. It's all about winning slams, period. Nobody knows or cares about the H2H in other previous great rivalries and no one will care about current H2H's in 10, 20 or 30 years.
I disagree. The only way to compare Laver and Sampras is to look at their slam count because they never played each other. However you can make a meaningful comparison between Laver and Emerson because they played each other 72 times.

Laver is 51:21 versus Emerson which is why Emerson has never been in the GOAT conversation despite his 12 slams to Laver's 11. If the H2H were e.g. 51:49, Emerson would absolutely have been in the GOAT conversation despite his 12 slams being amateur ones as that would prove that on court he was Laver's equal.

You can't be the GOAT with massive H2H defecits against other GOAT contenders imo.
 

thrust

Hall of Fame
I disagree. The only way to compare Laver and Sampras is to look at their slam count because they never played each other. However you can make a meaningful comparison between Laver and Emerson because they played each other 72 times.

Laver is 51:21 versus Emerson which is why Emerson has never been in the GOAT conversation despite his 12 slams to Laver's 11. If the H2H were e.g. 51:49, Emerson would absolutely have been in the GOAT conversation despite his 12 slams being amateur ones as that would prove that on court he was Laver's equal.

You can't be the GOAT with massive H2H defecits against other GOAT contenders imo.
The main problem with Emerson's slams is that they were all on the amateur tour when the top players were on the pro tour, therefore, Roy could never be in a GOAT conversation.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
"Poll about Nadal & Djokovic rivalry
What would you rather?

  • Up 29-27 overall but Down 6-10 in slams
  • Down 27-29 overall but Up 10-6 in slams"

Okay, so this is about the Nadal-Djokovic rivalry, so the subject is one of these two players. Which? Who?
Djokovic ahead 29-27?
Nadal ahead 29-27?
Djokovic ahead by 10-6 slams?
Nadal ahead by 10-6 slams?

How about Djokovic behind Nadal in the rivalry and behind by ten slams?


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Ok so if Nadal "dominates" Novak at slams them I'm guessing he's gonna be favoured at AO next year should they meet? How about Wimbledon?
Why have you left out uso?

Their last Wimbledon match was a 5 setter played indoors on a sunny day simply because novak feared Rafa on outdoor grass (and then pathetically denied it at the press conference...)

Nadal would have been favoured at ao if djokovic had made it to him in 2009, 2014, 2017, 2018....its not rafas fault he can't guard his throne like rafa can his.

Rafa may very well win vs Djokovic at ao if they meet but even if he doesn't, he is the prohibitive favourite at rg and uso and it is 50-50 at Wimbledon (Nadal breadsticked Federer last year there and Djokovic got breadsticked by him btw and had to rely on the mother of all chokes to win)
 
You mean the tourney Nadal skipped this year? Why did he do that I wonder if he dominates Novak at slams as his fanbase parrots.
Shameful to bring up a tournament in a pandemic year. Not everyone walks around like djokovid with a chip on their shoulder...people actually care about these things...but then you can't expect fans of a player who organised a tournament during covid, Denied covid, advocated for unequal pay between men and women on tour, spouts pseudoscientific nonsense to know that.
 
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