Poll about Nadal & Djokovic rivalry

What would you rather?

  • Up 29-27 overall but Down 6-10 in slams

    Votes: 15 17.9%

  • Down 27-29 overall but Up 10-6 in slams

    Votes: 69 82.1%
  • Total voters
    84
  • Poll closed .
Fedal 2020 said:
Yes because us and france have the same threat level? Jesus christ! And stop selectively quoting and replying.
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Pretty much the same threat level to top players all things considered.

Also, I'll quote and reply however I want.

Beckerserve said:
Nadal could drive to Paris. NY on another continent. He would have won USO but was not vulturing during a pandemic.
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He would have won USO but for the simple fact that he ran away so he doesn't get spanked by Novak on HC yet again, got it.
 
zagor said:
Pretty much the same threat level to top players all things considered.

Also, I'll quote and reply however I want.



He would have won USO but for the simple fact that he ran away so he doesn't get spanked by Novak on HC yet again, got it.
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You can quote and reply however you want, but in doing so, like your idol Novak, you're proving to be devious and disingenuous.

Lol @ claiming someone travelling from Spain to us has the same threat level travelling from Spain to France.
 
zagor said:
DQ was a freak accident and Novak was healthy this year.

Remind me, when was the last time Nadal took a set off Novak on HC?
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When was the last time Novak reached him at uso? Where was he in 2017 and 2019 uso? Where was novak in ao 2014, 2017, 2018 when rafa would have most like beaten him to a pulp?
 
BeatlesFan said:
Who cares about H2H historically? It wasn't even mentioned prior to about 15 years ago. It's all about winning slams, period. Nobody knows or cares about the H2H in other previous great rivalries and no one will care about current H2H's in 10, 20 or 30 years.
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tons of people care. it is pretty telling... the slams are clearly and very obvious in that they end up with a tangible piece of hardware. the head to head is the undeniable results of each player pitting their talents against the other. we have never been in a heated battle on this scale before.. and that started about 15 years ago. so much has been made of this topic that it has changed the conversation and that will not be forgotten in 100 years.. we are into something that is very different from the past and will likely never be seen again.
 
I think Nadal fans need to put h2h argument to back burner. He no longer has huge lead against Federer. Also he now has same number of Slams - so h2h argument is not needed to claim Nadal' superiority.
 
thrust said:
The main problem with Emerson's slams is that they were all on the amateur tour when the top players were on the pro tour, therefore, Roy could never be in a GOAT conversation.
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If Emerson's H2H with Laver was 50:50 or 70:50, he would definitely be in the GOAT conversation, even with 12 amateur slams.
 
Hitman is better than 99% of the regular posters here. He just doesn't want to deal with the inevitable flood of hostile t*rd bullsh*t that fills the forum in these occasions.

Hell, I'm a big Nadal fan and still I am disgusted with a lot of the crap that's been posted in the last week.
 
aldeayeah said:
Hitman is better than 99% of the regular posters here. He just doesn't want to deal with the inevitable flood of hostile t*rd bullsh*t that fills the forum in these occasions.

Hell, I'm a big Nadal fan and still I am disgusted with a lot of the crap that's been posted in the last week.
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After 40-15, and Fed being called a weak era chump by lots of Nole fans for years and several other laughable quotes before the RG 2020 final like quote Lew II: "I am sure people will think of Fed as the GOAT after seeing the FO 2008 massacre"

You have to allow for others to laugh at this now.

Federer 2008 was playing in the sun, with a high bouncing surface. Djokovic had a roof, no sun, lower bouncing court and ... got massacred as well.
 
The 10-6 is especially damaging because Nadal leads their US Open H2H.
And in turn, the fact Nadal leads the US Open H2H is very significant when paired with the fact that Nadal has won more US Opens than Djokovic.
 
NADALalot said:
The 10-6 is especially damaging because Nadal leads their US Open H2H.
And in turn, the fact Nadal leads the US Open H2H is very significant when paired with the fact that Nadal has won more US Opens than Djokovic.
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It will be very damaging for Djokovic if Federer somehow wins another ao as according to novakfam logic, that would make Fed better than Djokovic at all 4 slams.
 
D.Nalby12 said:
I think Nadal fans need to put h2h argument to back burner. He no longer has huge lead against Federer. Also he now has same number of Slams - so h2h argument is not needed to claim Nadal' superiority.
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What does Nadal have to do, in your perspective, to surpass your idol on the GOAT list?
:unsure:
 
HetTheGreaterer said:
For example, there is apparently a person who can't digest slam victories of nadal and roger, especially the former. When nadal wins a slam, a specific person disappears from the forum.
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He is the worse example of a fake tennis fan. Always is defeated by factual statements then does not respond but makes thread after thread saying how Djokovic will be GOAT. One day before USO he literally filled the first page here with threads. I agree with every word you have said
 
Fedal 2020 said:
Lol weeks at number 1 are a tie breaker if slams are equal, not even Djokovic is Murray's whole career behind the big 2.
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Weeks at No. 1 is too massive of an achievement to be considered a mere “tiebreaker.” It’s an achievement that spans an entire career and something that not everyone can even achieve. There are even slam champions that have yet to ascend to No. 1.
 
Fedal 2020 said:
Why have you left out uso?

Their last Wimbledon match was a 5 setter played indoors on a sunny day simply because novak feared Rafa on outdoor grass (and then pathetically denied it at the press conference...)

Nadal would have been favoured at ao if djokovic had made it to him in 2009, 2014, 2017, 2018....its not rafas fault he can't guard his throne like rafa can his.

Rafa may very well win vs Djokovic at ao if they meet but even if he doesn't, he is the prohibitive favourite at rg and uso and it is 50-50 at Wimbledon (Nadal breadsticked Federer last year there and Djokovic got breadsticked by him btw and had to rely on the mother of all chokes to win)
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I love Rafa but there is no way he is 50'50 with Novak at Wimbledon. How have they both performed there the last couple of years? Novak is easily the favourite.
 
Tostao80 said:
I love Rafa but there is no way he is 50'50 with Novak at Wimbledon. How have they both performed there the last couple of years? Novak is easily the favourite.
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If you for once reject your own biases and instead adopt all of mine I'm sure you'll agree that Nadal is the better grass courter despite the last 9 years
 
Just a reminder to Djokovic fans that Djokovic doesn't own the h2h vs Nadal.

A whooping 82.1% (69 to 15!) of people voted that they'd rather be in Nadal's position trailing 27-29 overall but with a 10-6 lead in slam h2h.

So Djokovic fans can now stop embarrassing themselves with the use of the h2h argument to try and make their player look as the best. He is not. The people have spoken.

Ok have a nice day. :giggle:
 
BeatlesFan said:
Who cares about H2H historically? It wasn't even mentioned prior to about 15 years ago. It's all about winning slams, period. Nobody knows or cares about the H2H in other previous great rivalries and no one will care about current H2H's in 10, 20 or 30 years.
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Slams
YE at #1
Weeks at #1
Masters Titles.
WTF wins
IMO, these are the most important players accomplishments on the ATP Tour.
 
thrust said:
Slams
YE at #1
Weeks at #1
Masters Titles.
WTF wins
IMO, these are the most important players accomplishments on the ATP Tour.
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Weeks at #1 and YE at #1 are too close of a stat to separate. That's like comparing Overall slam titles (which is the equivalent to weeks at no.1) with how many times someone was the best in slams in a year (something comparable to YE at #1). One means that you ended the year as #1 in terms of most points and the other means that you ended the year as the best in terms of most/multiple slams. So although it's interesting to analyze all these stats, I would put Weeks at #1 / YE at #1 as only 1 overall category as both have to do with rankings just like I wouldn't start making separate categories for slam defense, most slams in a year, etc.
 
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USO said:
Weeks at #1 and YE at #1 are too close of a stat to separate. That's like comparing Overall slam titles (which is the equivalent to weeks at no.1) with how many times someone was the best in slams in a year (something comparable to YE at #1). One means that you ended the year as #1 in terms of most points and the other means that you ended the year as the best in terms of most/multiple slams. So although it's interesting to analyze all these stats, I would put Weeks at #1 / YE at #1 as only 1 overall category as both have to do with rankings just like I wouldn't start making separate categories for slam defense, most slams in a year, etc.
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Oh, so they are same category because they both have to do with rankings....

I guess then CYGS and NCYGS are the same category also since they both have to do with winning 4 slams in a row.....

Thanks @USO :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
 
Hitman said:
Oh, so they are same category because they both have to do with rankings....

I guess then CYGS and NCYGS are the same category also since they both have to do with winning 4 slams in a row.....

Thanks @USO :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
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Yeah, one is obviously better but they are under the same category of titles.

I can’t say the most important things in GOAT debate are in order :

Slam titles
Slam title defence
Slams won per year
Slams per surface
CYGS
NCYGS
Slam finals
Slams won in straight sets
Weeks at no.1

So you can’t start splitting slams into tons of categories, the point is rankings with weeks at no.1 and ye#1 are too close to split. They are both about ranking points.
 
Anyways back to the topic, it’s obvious that according to the huge majority of people it’s Nadal who is the h2h king not Djokovic. (y)
 
USO said:
Weeks at #1 and YE at #1 are too close of a stat to separate. That's like comparing Overall slam titles (which is the equivalent to weeks at no.1) with how many times someone was the best in slams in a year (something comparable to YE at #1). One means that you ended the year as #1 in terms of most points and the other means that you ended the year as the best in terms of most/multiple slams. So although it's interesting to analyze all these stats, I would put Weeks at #1 / YE at #1 as only 1 overall category as both have to do with rankings just like I wouldn't start making separate categories for slam defense, most slams in a year, etc.
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Yes YE1 trumps weeks at no.1.
 
USO said:
Yeah, one is obviously better but they are under the same category of titles.

I can’t say the most important things in GOAT debate are in order :

Slam titles
Slam title defence
Slams won per year
Slams per surface
CYGS
NCYGS
Slam finals
Slams won in straight sets
Weeks at no.1

So you can’t start splitting slams into tons of categories, the point is rankings with weeks at no.1 and ye#1 are too close to split. They are both about ranking points.
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Spot on.. :p .
 
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The info is in the poll. Please vote.
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Missed the chance to vote but the answer is obvious. 10-6 every time.
Actually it is not a rivalry at Majors as Nadal.for the best part of 15 years has owned Djokovic. Take away the 3 in a row 2011-2012 and it is 10-3 Nadal.
Nadal has consistently over 15 years consumately out performed Djokovic at the Majors. Federer v Nadal is actually more competitive if you analyse it objectively as FO2008 i do not recall many if any bagels and breadsticks. Nadal has handed Djokovic a fair few breadsticks even off clay.
 
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Beckerserve said:
Missed the chance to vote but the answer is obvious. 10-6 every time.
Actually it is not a rivalry at Majors as Nadal.for the best part of 15 years has owned Djokovic. Take away the 3 in a row 2011-2012 and it is 10-3 Nadal.
Nadal has consistently over 15 years consumately out performed Djokovic at the Majors. Federer v Nadal is actually more competitive if you analyse it objectively as FO2008 i do not recall many if any bagels and breadsticks. Nadal has handed Djokovic a fair few breadsticks even off clay.
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Remove those 3 and it is 10-0 for Nadal. You can also add all 6 back to Rafa (he was objectively better player in all of those matches, despite being injured) and it's 16-0. Absolute domination.
 
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