[POLL] Berdych vs Tsitsipas

[Winner Sinner]

Best ranking
Berdych= 4th
Tsitsipas= 3rd

Best year-end ranking
Berdych= 6th
Tsitsipas= 4th

Titles
Berdych= 13
Tsitsipas= 11

Lost finals
Berdych= 19
Tsitsipas= 18

Big title
Berdych= 1
Tsitsipas= 4

Slam
Berdych= 0
Tsitsipas= 0

Slam finals
Berdych= 1
Tsitsipas= 2

ATP Finals
Berdych= 0
Tsitsipas= 1

Masters 1000
Berdych= 1
Tsitsipas= 3

500
Berdych= 3
Tsitsipas= 0

250
Berdych= 9
Tsitsipas= 7

Distribution of titles on surfaces

Hard
Berdych= 9
Tsitsipas= 5

Clay
Berdych= 2
Tsitsipas= 5

Grass
Berdych= 1
Tsitsipas= 1

Synthetic
Berdych= 1
Tsitsipas= 0

Career winning percentage
Berdych= 65.2%
Tsitsipas= 67.6

Notes
Berdych= 2 Davis Cup, reached at least the slam semifinals in every major
Tsitsipas= Next-Gen Finals winner

 

[objection_]

Was tempted to vote Tpas but he's basically irrelevant at half the slams, even a few QF/SF runs at wimby or USO and a few wins over oldovic and raz would shift it his way.

 

[zakopinjo]

Nadal's successor in Monte Carlo has an advantage for me.

 

[Clay lover]

Berdych is better on grass and Tsits is better on clay. Tsits did reach a hard final but I feel Berdych had a slightly higher peak.

 

[buscemi]

It also probably bears mentioning that Tsitsipas has a losing record at the U.S. Open.

 

[Tennfan123]

Berdych. His game was far more well executed. He unfortunately had to deal with much tougher competition.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Statistical comparisons serve only to create a basis in the parallel, but one should go further.
For example, it is said about Berdych (and not only him) that he had the misfortune of playing in the most competitive era ever, or at least one of the most competitive, while Tsitsipas appeared at the highest levels in what some define as the of inflation.
This is the reason why if the two theses are true, to date, with roughly the same results obtained, Berdych should be preferred to Tsitsipas, let's see at the end of the Greek's career.

Tsitsipas who is currently unquestionably the most decadent player on the entire circuit.
Until the final lost at the 2023 Australian Open, his career seemed to have taken a fairly linear direction, a fixed top 5 with great periods of inspiration, especially in the first half of the various seasons, with much less inspired periods, let's say coinciding with the start of the grass season.
Since that final in Melbourne his involution has been worrying to say the least, as well as being inexorable.
He is 26 years old, he should be at his psychophysical peak, and instead in these last two years his parable seems that of a boiled veteran.

I don't like the character Tsitsipas, a very shy guy who always keeps to himself, and who when he plays after a great point from one of his rivals displays that classic snobbish and superior attitude by immediately turning his back with a Fonzie-like gait.
But at the same time I consider him a great asset of current tennis, one of the few who feels perfectly at ease when he is at the net.
For the good of tennis it would be great news to see the Greek back at the appropriate levels shown between 2019 and 2022.

 

[GRASScaraz]

Tstisipas beat peak Federer at AO while Berdych beat past prime Fed at USO, and injured Fed at Wimby.

 

[JoJoHackshow]

If Sinner is the inferior version of Berdych, what chance would Tsitsipas have?

 

[Winner Sinner]

Stefanos Tsitsipas with a very graphic and well-crafted Instagram post expressed some clear concepts to take stock of his 2024. Not the year he expected, and ended without qualifying for the Turin Finals, which he considers a "bath of humility". The Greek went through a complex season, culminating with his third title in Monte Carlo but also bitter disappointments and the separation - perhaps definitive - from his father as coach, a cut that perhaps put an end to a whirlwind coaching tourbillon that lasted two years and which certainly it didn't help him find serenity and a sustainable technical route.

“This year has shaped me in ways I never expected, and I'm grateful for the journey. Here we are moving forward, stronger and wiser!” we read in the post that introduces his assessment of the moment and of the concluded season.

“Perfection is an illusion” he writes in one of the photos. “I try hard to reach it, but I've learned that it's not part of me, and I accept that.”

“You can't have everything. Even if you want something with all of yourself, it doesn't come just by thinking about it. The real difference is in doing constant work”

“Through humility. Not qualifying for the ATP Finals was a bath of humility, it taught me the value of resilience and perspective"

“Embrace change. Change isn't necessarily a bad thing. It is a process that requires patience and commitment. Even if the results don't seem to prove it right, I have faith that these changes can take me to where I want to be."

The Greek finished the year in eleventh position in the ranking, after starting 2024 as n. 6. The sole victory in Monte Carlo and the loss of the top 10 are certainly not a satisfactory outcome for a player who two years ago had the theoretical chance of becoming number 1 and who has played in Slam finals. It will be very interesting to see how he presents himself at the Australian Open, one of the tournaments in which he obtained the best placings, if there will be any changes in his tennis and above all if his shots will return more incisive and effective than in recent months.

 

[NatF]

Tsits is basically fodder to any top player, Berdych wasn't great against the very best but he was better than Pas.