POLL: Is Wimbledon 2021 the weakest edition of these last 40 years ?

Is Wimbledon 2021 the weakest edition of these last 40 years ?

  • YES

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • NO

    Votes: 39 66.1%

  • Total voters
    59

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
It sure looks to me that way.

Nole is a solid grass player but at 34 he's vulnerable to a good servebot on a hot streak.

Rafa's busy cleaning Toni's room.

No grass specialist in his prime to be found anywhere.

Murray soon to depart for a wheelchair.

Tsitsipas, Zverev not really grass specialists. Medvedev too cumbersome. Thiem injured. FAA a headcase. Cilic too old.

Fed well on his way to the classless retirement in the sport's history.

Maybe Berittini to surprise us ?

I don't ever remember such sorry state on the field aligned at Wimbledon.
 
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Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
I’d rather not make any verdicts on the competition of a Slam before any of the matches have even been played, let alone the whole tournament.

Still gotta say that the draw on paper looks to be trending that way.
 
There still were grass specialists and young bucks : Henman, Federer, Hewitt, Roddick, Philippoussis, Agassi, Nalbandian, Fernando Gonzalez. Later came Nadal.
Medvedev, Rublev, Tsitsipas, Zverev even Berrettini much better or at least on par with all of those guys apart from Federer. ;)
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Talking about weak draws, we should talk about 03, 04 and 05 when Federer dropped only 1 sets (to Fish, Roddick and Kiefer) on the way to championships; and 17 when he didn't drop any.

In contrast, Djokovic has never had the luxury of a weak draw in his five triumphs: defeating either Federer or Nadal every single time. 3 of those times, the championships went to the fifth sets, ending with Djokovic winning 7-5, 10-8 and 13-12.
 
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Talking about weak draws, we should talk about 03, 04 and 05 when Federer dropped only 1 sets (to Fish, Roddick and Kiefer) on the way to championships; and 17 when he didn't drop any.

In contrast, Djokovic has never had the luxury of a weak draw in his five triumphs: defeating either Federer or Nadal every single time. 3 of those times, the championships went to the fifth sets, ending in Djokovic winning 7-5, 10-8 and 13-12.
Those three players you mentioned are about a billion times better than all of next gen combined , Feds never had an easy Wimbledon draw, more like the exact opposite. He's made it look easy because he’s that good, unlike Novak who can’t even win Istomin at his best slam
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Those three players you mentioned are about a billion times better than all of next gen combined , Feds never had an easy Wimbledon draw, more like the exact opposite. He's made it look easy because he’s that good, unlike Novak who can’t even win Istomin at his best slam
HAHAHA! You're wrong , definitely about Fish and Kiefer, and most probably about Roddick!

And definitely not better than the Federer and the Nadal that Djokovic beat for his 5 Wimbledons!
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Berdych and Tsonga are GOAT tier players in comparisons to Istomin, Stakhovksy only won because Roger let him win and because the all england club made Federer stop wearing his orange shoes and he had to wear an inferior pair which cost him the match, Staks brother who plays tennis even confirmed this to me
I want to , but I can't prove you wrong here :cautious::-D
 

Xavier G

Hall of Fame
Before a ball is even struck at Wimbledon 2021, it looks potentially like one of the weakest Wimbledon editions in living memory.

It's really Djokovic's to lose. Nadal isn't even playing, 39 years Federer is woefully short of match practice and coming back from knee surgeries and even the respectable grass-court contingent from the recent past like Anderson, Isner and Raonic have been at a low ebb. The younger top players like Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Zverev have shown little form previously at Wimbledon. Maybe they can this year, who knows.
(Perhaps Cilic who showed a recent return to form at Stuttgart can show something or Berrettini who looks decent on grass perhaps. Maybe FAA can show up this Wimby. Sam Querrey faces Medvedev in the Mallorca grass final today, I think.)

The 2003-07 Wimby editions looked significantly stronger overall with proven grass court players Andy Roddick, 4 times Queens winner (2003-05 and again in 2007) and three times Wimbledon finalist, including in 2004 and 2005, and of course, a US Open champion in 2003, Lleyton Hewitt 4 times Queens winner and Wimbledon champion 2002, Mark Philippoussis who was Queens winner in 1997 and had Sampras in trouble at Wimbledon in 1999, veteran ATG Andre Agassi, the talented French player Sebastian Grosjean, plucky Tim Henman, talented young Richard Gasquet in 2007, young ATG on the rise in Rafael Nadal in 2006 and 2007 in finals, why even young Nadal made his GS bow in 2003 at Wimbledon losing to Paradorn Srichaphan!

Epic times.

:):cool:
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Yep, if Djokovic has to depend on a weak draw on route to winning Wimbledon, it will be his first ever there!

Meanwhile, out of Federer's 8 Wimbledon wins, he had weak draws in 4 of them ('03-05 and '17). I didn't say he would'nt have won nonetheless; I just said he had weak draws then, and wasn't tested.
 
The first 2 on my list (Henman and Hewitt) would beat handily on grass all those you've listed.
Younger Henman late 90s/early 00s would be dangerous opponent yes. 2003-07 Henman, lol If we take that 2021 Cilic or 2021 Tsonga are legit opposition, then yes 2003-07 grass Henman was tough opponent as well. ;)

03-07 Wimbledon Hewitt is similar level to today's Bautista Agut...
 
2006 edition had Bjorkman in the semi final then baby claycourter Nadal in the final.

there’s your answer :whistle:
Baby Clay courter Nadal, in his second full season on the tour, reaching the Wimbledon final, while playing his usual clay court game, tells you everything you need to know about the strength of the grass field in those years. ;)
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Let me tell you after two weeks. Never underestimate a Slam event. Except for RG in last 15 years - others Slams have always delivered the surprise.
 

Sunny014

Legend
No when 2003-06 exists.

2004-06 Roddick and Nadal made the finals without beating a single top10.
Till mid 00s the courts were not that homogenous and it is only since then that the top 10 always reached the qfs/semis

Before the mid 00s the rankings was quite fluctuated.

If you were not ignorant then you would have known that :

Lleyton Hewitt lost 13 times in his career in Slams to the eventual champion.
Sir Andy Murray lost 13 times in his career in slams to the eventual champion.
Andy Roddick has lost 10 times in his career in Slams to the eventual champion

You know Murray as a top seed who always reached the semis but you know Hewitt-Roddick as guys who were inconsistent, thats your ignorance.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
I know you can’t that’s why I wrote it :laughing:
I spoke with the Queen the other day too, she said Roger is GOAT ( she did actually shout out GOAT) and that Novak was rubbish, I’m inclined to believe this
The Queen was pictured talking to the British PM, discussing Novak Djokovic, and saying “he’s full of…” before he cut her off.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Field now is much stronger than in '03-05, when Federer won.

In '03, Federer's last 3 victims were Schalken (remember him?), Roddick and Phillipoussis. They all lost in straights.

In '04, Federer's last 3 victims were Grosjean (remember him?), Hewitt and Roddick. The last managed to take a set.

In '05, Federer's last 3 victims were Gonzalez (I forgot which Gonzo), Hewitt and Roddick. They all lost in straights. Back then, they just marched out the same victims, over and over again, for Federer to beat.

It's guaranteed that Djokovic will be tested more this year than Federer was in all 3 years, combined.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
It sure looks to me that way.

Nole is a solid grass player but at 34 he's vulnerable to a good servebot on a hot streak.

Rafa's busy cleaning Toni's room.

No grass specialist in his prime to be found anywhere.

Murray soon to depart for a wheelchair.

Tsitsipas, Zverev not really grass specialists. Medvedev too cumbersome. Thiem injured. FAA a headcase. Cilic too old.

Fed well on his way to the classless retirement in the sport's history.

Maybe Berittini to surprise us ?

I don't ever remember such sorry state on the field aligned at Wimbledon.
“Solid”?

in all of Wimbledon history only 3 players (2 in the Open Era) have won more times at Wimbledon. I think that´s a bit more than just “solid”, no?
 

Terry Tibbs

Hall of Fame
I agree with the Op actually. Normally there are at least 3-4 major contenders plus a handful of other big hitter servebot type players of the likes Raonic, Anderson, Tsonga etc who are major threats.

This year you only have to look at the Wimbledon odds to see how sparse the event is in terms of title contenders. Djokovic is odds on favourite and the next favourite after him is Medvedev at 8.8 and then Tsis at 11.

Normally I look forward to Wimbledon but Im anticipating this years edition being the dullest Wimbledon for a long time.
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
This has to be one of the strongest most brutal first round matches ever at Wimbledon or any tournament in history. It's just bonkers. There are gonna be loads of upsets, if you can even call them that.
 

tudwell

Legend
Baby Clay courter Nadal, in his second full season on the tour, reaching the Wimbledon final, while playing his usual clay court game, tells you everything you need to know about the strength of the grass field in those years. ;)
Lol. Meanwhile, the Next Gen in their 4th or 5th season on tour can’t even make the second week. That’s supposed to be a tougher field? As undeveloped as Nadal was on grass in 2006, he was still light years ahead of anything we’ve seen from anyone currently under 30 at Wimbledon.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
I agree with the Op actually. Normally there are at least 3-4 major contenders plus a handful of other big hitter servebot type players of the likes Raonic, Anderson, Tsonga etc who are major threats.

This year you only have to look at the Wimbledon odds to see how sparse the event is in terms of title contenders. Djokovic is odds on favourite and the next favourite after him is Medvedev at 8.8 and then Tsis at 11.

Normally I look forward to Wimbledon but Im anticipating this years edition being the dullest Wimbledon for a long time.
Like how roddick and Hewitt were between 03 -05?
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
“Solid”?

in all of Wimbledon history only 3 players (2 in the Open Era) have won more times at Wimbledon. I think that´s a bit more than just “solid”, no?
Nole can't serve and volley, or play at the net.

In my book, a great W champion must obligatorily be able to attack the net.

Sorry.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
The hell he can.
In WB19 against Fed Novak won 66% of his net points vs 78% for Fed. So a difference but not a huge one. Of course he goes less to the net than Fed.

in the WB18 SF against Nadal Novak won a higher %. 75% vs 73%.

it´s a myth he can’t volley or play at the net.
 

stray_cat

New User
Me think, you just can't describe Novak as solid grass player.
NDj doesn't play on pre 200x "fast" grass, with low, unpredictable bounce; he plays on grass in front of him. On that grass, his tennis won 5 Wimbs.
Calling him solid grass player (with five Wimbs) is oxymoron.
Calling him solid serve&volley player is speculation, 'cos he was never challenged to play that way (it wasn't tennis needed to win Wimbledon).
 
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