Nah, Federer's competition just need Roddick to hold off Djokovic
Poll: Most Dominant AO Title Run
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Mustard
Bionic Poster
It was an amazing year.
RS
Bionic Poster
Who were you supporting then?
Pheasant
Legend
I’m ok crossing over in this case. The operative word here is dominant, not best.
That said, I am taking Sharapova here. She pounded some very good players into the Earth that tourney, which includes dishing out a bagel to world #1 Henin during a straight set demolition. And it’s rare to play three different top-5 players in the same slam event. It’s even rarer to destroy 3 top-5 players in straights(world #’s 1, 3, and 4).
That said, I am taking Sharapova here. She pounded some very good players into the Earth that tourney, which includes dishing out a bagel to world #1 Henin during a straight set demolition. And it’s rare to play three different top-5 players in the same slam event. It’s even rarer to destroy 3 top-5 players in straights(world #’s 1, 3, and 4).
Biotic
Legend
They would have likely been more respectable opposition compared to Embryovic, Loldick and great majority of MUGs that capitulated without a fight in 04 - 07 weak era HC slams.
RS
Bionic Poster
That's what I thought but I wasn't 100% sure.
Didn't know Roddick hurts you so much !
Not even close as easy as the CIE when OLD Djokovic inflated 12 slams in the weakest era of all time
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Roddick and Gonzalez SMH
Roddick was harmless only to the great Federer, but got the best of Nole
12 of his 24 slams were in CIE when the competition was god awful against the Nextgen mugs
Winner Sinner
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Sinner closed the last AO with a dominance ratio of 1.57, could you tell me in the history of the tournament in the men's Open era in which position he is placed?
@dking68
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Had he not gotten sick in his match against Holger Rune, I think he would’ve won that in straights and not gotten broken. That means he would’ve gotten broken only thrice the entire tournament and dropped only 1 set.
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The match against De Minaur I think one of the greatest demonstrations of superiority in a challenge between top 10 inside a slam outside of a Nadal-Roland Garros discussion.
It reminded me of his victory in the Turin semifinal against Ruud.
Now between Sinner and the rest of the world except 2/3 profiles, on hard the difference is sidereal.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
@Winner Sinner @Berrettini_Fan Djokovic’s fantastic 2011 had a DR of 1.49 which is below that of Jannik Sinner’s 2025 of 1.57. It should be apart of the list
Federer’s 2007 had a DR of 1.65. That one blows everyone out of the water.
Federer’s 2007 had a DR of 1.65. That one blows everyone out of the water.
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Yes, even though Djokovic 2011 faced Federer (albeit post prime) and Murray between the semifinals and final, that difference of 0.08 percentage points in favor of Sinner 2025 is quite compensated.
He also faced Wawrinka in the quarterfinals but that Wawrinka was still far from Wawrinka seen in the following years.
Furthermore, Federer 2007 who did not lose a single set in the entire tournament, certainly cannot be said to have faced superior competition compared to Sinner 2025.
The still immature Djokovic in the fourth round, Robredo in the quarterfinals, Roddick in the semifinals and Gonzalez in the final.
It was a joke, and then the federals get angry when you tell them that Federer prime raged in the weakest era of the Open era.
The competition on hard between 2003 and 2007 was objectively embarrassing as a whole.
If Roddick was harmless to the great Federer, he was more harmless to the greater in-his-prime Djokovic (remember that 9-2)!
Djokovic faced approximately 24-18=6 slams to awful next-gen mugs. Djokovic's post-'11 9-2 against Federer and 7-6 against Nadal: 9+7=16, 16+3 (against Murray at AO) = 19 +1(against JMdP) +1(against Thiem, who just beat that AO)= 21! 21 was the approximate number of veritable opponents!
Berrettini_Fan
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Why is there this false belief in a correlation between number of times being broken and dominance?
Is it not better to be broken but win the set 6-2 than to hold serve throughout and win the set 7-6?
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I do believe had he not gotten sick against Holger, his 2025 run would be considered one of the most dominant ones
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Technically, none of the above for the men. It's actually Agassi 2003, at least in the modern era. One set lost on the way but he lost only 49 games, and he won 71.6% of the games he played. For comparison, Federer lost 72 games (won 64.2% of games played) and Djokovic lost 69 games (won 67.4% of games played). Yea Agassi's draw was like a 250 tournament but the OP says most dominant. For the women, it has to be Davenport. She should have 6-1 6-1'd Hingis if she didn't choke from championship points up.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
I like Sinner a lot but the beatdown Djokovic gave Ferrer in the semifinals at the AO 2013 was more impressive IMO as well as the AO 2019 F against Nadal.
Winner Sinner
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Yes, I had seen the extended highlights a few months ago and I had also posted them here in some thread.
Your consideration is valid, it seemed like a match between a heavyweight and a lightweight, with Ferrer who continued to spin in circles while Djokovic with his geometric plots mocked the Spaniard's defense.
Having said that, obviously I did not say that outside of a Nadal-Roland Garros discussion, Sinner's match at the last Australian Open with De Minaur was the best demonstration of superiority in a challenge between top 10 players within a slam, but one of the best.
De Minaur hit at his maximum intensity and was still unable to keep up with the pace of a Sinner who instead went at a cruising speed, his cruising speed, which is unsustainable for almost everyone.
Ray Mercer
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Come on here. Anything other than Federer 07 is pure garbage. His run in 2004 was absolutely crazy too despite losing 2 sets. A prime Hewitt, Nalbandian, Ferrero and Safin. That is an absolute gauntlet.
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dking68
G.O.A.T.
What do you think of a matchup of Tsitsipas 2022 vs Sinner 2025, what would be the result of the battle between two 23 year olds? He was the last person to defeat Sinner at the AO
That is not true. Roddick couldn't beat the great Roger, but he was able to beat Djokovic, and one of the win was at Djokovic pet slam(2009 AO).
I'm sorry that Djokovic had so much problem with Roddick.
Djokovic won 12 slams before his 29th birthday, right before the start of the CIE. When the depth and strength of the competition regress(and got even worse when it hit the hyperinflation era), past prime Djokovic in his 30s start vulturing the stats left and right. No one ever expected the entire 90s born players being so weak that ended in a colossal collapse, with only 2 slam titles combined
eek. Sinner/Alcaraz alone who's born in 2000s have already won 7 slams, and we are still in March 2025. It's crystal clear that the quality tennis were downright pathetic and everyone is aware of it except Djoker fans won't budge
Winner Sinner
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3-0 Sinner or at most 3-1.
There would be no contest, to keep up with the current Sinner on hard you have to bother Federer prime or Djokovic prime, or inspired versions of people who are less consistent but unpredictable, like Wawrinka peak or Alcaraz himself (even if on fast surfaces like in Melbourne he would have no chance at the moment).
That 2022 version of Tsitsipas was an excellent player, probably the best Tsitsipas ever on hard, but he could have done nothing against the current Sinner.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Do you think he would break Sinner’s serve? He defeated the 2022 version of Sinner 3-0
DSH
Bionic Poster
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Maybe he could have won a game on Sinner's serve, you know, a game goes badly and anything can happen.
However, Sinner managed not to concede break points to either Djokovic or Zverev between the 2024 and 2025 editions in Melbourne, and Tsitsipas is a worse returner.
So it would have been complicated for him to break the serve of a player who has maintained over 91% of games won for over 12 months.
As always said, that was the worst lesson Sinner had in his first years on the circuit, but that Sinner was far from his 2023 version, let alone the current one.
DSH
Bionic Poster
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dking68
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I respectfully disagree. Sinner 2023 generated 35 return points against Djokovic compared to 29 in their Wimbledon SF in 2023. 106 points won for Djokovic compared to 96 for Sinner in their 2023 SF. I think the 2024 version (healthy) would go to a fifth set, but it’s a 50/50 match imo.
RS
Bionic Poster
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This year we will also see Sinner upgrade on natural surfaces.
He has already improved further on hard compared to 2024 as demonstrated by his level at the last Australian Open, let alone on natural surfaces where last year, initially due to the hip problem and then the emotional aftermath due to the stress of the positive case, we only saw a taste of what he will be able to do on natural surfaces.
Now he will return having definitively put the positive case behind him, so his head clear of extra thoughts, but also a season on clay where, hopefully, he can play and plan it in full physical integrity.
TheFifthSet
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This belongs in the Louvre.
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