POLL: Nadal on clay vs. Djokovic on hard

Who is more dominant on his favorite surface?

  • Nadal on clay

    Votes: 121 89.6%

  • Djokovic on hard

    Votes: 14 10.4%
  • Total voters
    135
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I wrote an inexact wording in the poll question. The question is "Who is better on his favorite surface?"

Let us solve the debate with a poll, to know whether there is a general consensus on this issue.


Arguments pro-Nadal.

1. There is only 1 Grand Slam held on clay, yet Nadal has more Grand Slam titles on clay (12) than Djokovic on hard (11). Thus, there is no equality of conditions in this comparison. With 2 Grand Slams on clay, Nadal could potentially have 24 Grand Slams on clay or 20+.

2. Nadal has more USO titles and Canada Open titles than Djokovic. Djokovic doesn't have more titles than Nadal on any single tournament held on clay.

3. 98% winning percentage at RG, and 92% winning percentage on clay, compared to Novak's 84.5% winning percentage on hard.


Arguments pro-Djokovic

1. Because hard is the main surface on the tour, most players tend to adapt their game to hard court conditions, therefore there seems to be more competition on hard than clay.
 
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"Nadal has more USO titles and Canada Open titles than Djokovic. Djokovic doesn't have more titles than Nadal on any single tournament held on clay."

Canada open last couple of years hardly anyone played it.
USO: Since 2007 Novak has won 3 USO 5 finals 3 SF 1 4th round. Nadal 4 Wins 1 final 3 SF 1 QF 2 4th round 1 3rd round
I still think Novak'a achievements are higher than Nadal's at the USO

Last set won by Nadal against Noval on HC dates from that USO 2013 loss. Last set won by Novak against Nadal on clay: Rome 2019.

HC nowadays plays similar to clay.
 
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Nadal on clay is the highest level ever what is even the point of the thread. Just because he is doesn’t mean Djokovic isn’t a goat on HC
 
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Sport said:
Let us solve the debate with a poll, to know if there is a general consensus on who dominated more his respective favorite surface.


Arguments pro-Nadal.

1. There is only 1 Grand Slam held on clay, yet Nadal has more Grand Slam titles on clay (12) than Djokovic on hard (11). Thus, there is no equality of conditions in this comparison. With 2 Grand Slams on clay, Nadal could potentially have 24 Grand Slams on clay or 20+.

2. Nadal has more USO titles and Canada Open titles than Djokovic. Djokovic doesn't have more titles than Nadal on any single tournament held on clay.

3. 98% winning percentage at RG, and 92% winning percentage on clay, compared to Novak's 84.5% winning percentage on hard.


Arguments pro-Djokovic

1. Because hard is the main surface on the tour, most players tend to adapt their game to hard court conditions, therefore there seems to be more competition on hard than clay.
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Please, don't do that to yourself...
 
myth said:
"Nadal has more USO titles and Canada Open titles than Djokovic. Djokovic doesn't have more titles than Nadal on any single tournament held on clay."

Canada open last couple of years hardly anyone played it.
USO: Since 2007 Novak has won 3 USO 5 finals 3 SF 1 4th round. Nadal 4 Wins 1 final 3 SF 1 QF 2 4th round 1 3rd round
I still think Novak'a achievements are higher than Nadal's at the USO

Last set won by Nadal against Noval on HC dates from that USO 2013 loss. Last set won by Novak against Nadal on clay: Rome 2019.

HC nowadays plays similar to clay.
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So, winning a set is some sort of victory these days ? LOL

Hes not beaten Nadal on clay in almost 4 years. ( Since people like to make stats sound worse by bringing up how many years its been, regardless of how much they actually played in those years ).
 
Nadal is more dominant but only because the competition on clay is non-existent.

Who were the true great claycourters competing with Nadal all these years?? Ferrer and Alamugro.
 
Lew II said:
I sense your butthurt is strong because I explained why competition on clay is weaker than competition on hardcourt.
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No, I acknowledged that fact. When did I deny it? But it doesn't make Djokovic comparable on hard to Nadal on clay. 12 Grand Slams on clay in only one event >>>>>> 11 Grand Slams on hard in two events.
 
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kevaninho said:
So, winning a set is some sort of victory these days ? LOL

Hes not beaten Nadal on clay in almost 4 years. ( Since people like to make stats sound worse by bringing up how many years its been, regardless of how much they actually played in those years ).
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Getting a sets makes you closer of winning a match than losing 17 sets in a row with many 6/2's and 6/3's....
He's beaten Nadal in MC Madrid Rome FO....

 
Sport said:
"Non-existent", yeah sure. Federer and Djokovic are excellent clay players and would have won 5-6 RG if not for Nadal. Or do you think Djokovic sucks on clay?
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Federer and Novak are better on clay than Nadal on any other surfaces than clay.
 
myth said:
"Nadal has more USO titles and Canada Open titles than Djokovic. Djokovic doesn't have more titles than Nadal on any single tournament held on clay."

Canada open last couple of years hardly anyone played it.
USO: Since 2007 Novak has won 3 USO 5 finals 3 SF 1 4th round. Nadal 4 Wins 1 final 3 SF 1 QF 2 4th round 1 3rd round
I still think Novak'a achievements are higher than Nadal's at the USO

Last set won by Nadal against Noval on HC dates from that USO 2013 loss. Last set won by Novak against Nadal on clay: Rome 2019.
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Fact check.

2017 Canada Open field: #1 Nadal, #2 Federer #3 Thiem, #4 Zverev, #5 Nishikori, #6 Raonic, #7 Dimitrov, #8 Tsonga.

2018 Canada Open field: #1 Nadal, #2 Zverev, #3 Anderson, #4 Dimitrov, #5 Cilic, #6 Thiem, #7 Isner, #8 Djokovic. (That’s not including a red-hot Tsitsipas, who has beaten 4 top ten players on his way)

2019 Canada Open field: #1 Nadal, #2 Thiem, #3 Zverev, #4 Tsitsipas, #5 Nishikori, #6 Khachanov, #7 Fognini, #8 Medvedev (who went 21-2 this hard court summer)

Keep living in a fantasy world.
 
Nadal is so good on clay and has held Federer, Djokovic and three generations of players down on clay for so long that we have posters pretending there was simply no clay competition over the last 15 years which invokes three different generations of players.

Clay tennis magically went extinct at the exact moment Nadal arrived on tour, and hasn't been resuscitated in 15 years. What a coincydink :-D
 
weakera said:
Nadal is so good on clay and has held Federer, Djokovic and three generations of players down on clay for so long that we have posters pretending there was simply no clay competition over the last 15 years which invokes three different generations of players.

Clay tennis magically went extinct at the exact moment Nadal arrived on tour, and hasn't been resuscitated in 15 years. What a coincydink :-D
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We get it. Don't need to say more. Nadal so good outplayed his era on clay. Fed and Novak had to face weak competition on grass HC indoors.
 
Hitman said:
There should be no question that Nadal on clay triumphs anyone on any surface ever, the accomplishments speak for themselves. I say this even though I know the purpose behind the creation of this thread.
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This thread was created because of Lew and his cherrypicking.
 
Yugram said:
Fact check.

2017 Canada Open field: #1 Nadal, #2 Federer #3 Thiem, #4 Zverev, #5 Nishikori, #6 Raonic, #7 Dimitrov, #8 Tsonga.

2018 Canada Open field: #1 Nadal, #2 Zverev, #3 Anderson, #4 Dimitrov, #5 Cilic, #6 Thiem, #7 Isner, #8 Djokovic. (That’s not including a red-hot Tsitsipas, who has beaten 4 top ten players on his way)

2019 Canada Open field: #1 Nadal, #2 Thiem, #3 Zverev, #4 Tsitsipas, #5 Nishikori, #6 Khachanov, #7 Fognini, #8 Medvedev (who went 21-2 this hard court summer)

Keep living in a fantasy world.
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Nadal's path to win Canada open in 2019: Medvedev Monfils Pella Fognini Evans.....Why do you think he no longer plays Cincinnati? Because competition is too high and the courts don't play like a clay court.
 
It’s Djokovic in a landslide. Djokovic separates from his hard court peers far more than Nadal separates from his clay court peers.

Now remember, we need to double Djoker’s numbers, since Lew has proven that hard courts are twice as hard to dominant. I will double Djoker’s hard court numbers, but not his peers’ hard court numbers. Why? Because the challenge for Serbian hard courts players is twice as hard than it is for non-Serbian hard court players.

Let’s look at separation

Nadal leads Borg 12-6 in FO titles. That’s a 2/1 ratio.
Djoker leads Fed 22-11 in hard court slam titles. This is a wash ratio-wise. But I give this category to Djoker, since he has 22 hard court slam titles.

Longest winning streak. Nadal’s 81 match winning streak on clay beats Djoker’s 70(35x 2=70) on hard courts. Edge to Nadal.

Tiebreaker is this. Djoker is the king pin on hard courts for 2 events. Djoker leads Fed 16-6 for AO
Titles and Djoker’s 6 USO titles sneaks by Fed and Sampras.

Djoker’s ability the win the most hard court slams at 2 events puts him ahead of Nadal. Nadal couid only do this at 1 clay slam event. Outside of the FO, Nadal was a complete failure at clay slam events.

Djoker on hard courts >>>>Nadal on clay.
 
UnforcedTerror said:
I'm talking about true claycourtes, players like Ferrer and Thiem.
Fed and Djokovic are good on clay but that doesn't make them natural claycourters.
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I think they are all claycourters to an extent as the tour is basically being played on 1 surface.
AO 2012 and 2020 final's were basically a clay court match.
Djokovic Nadal at Wimbledon 2018 was a clay court match.
USO is so slow nowadays....
 
Sport said:
That explains why Nadal has won 5 Grand Slams on hard and Djokovic only 1. It also explains why Nadal has won 2 Wimbledon titles and Djokovic only 1 RG title. Nadal on hard and grass > Djokovic on clay.
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Got to love when facts trump opinion LOL

But I guess they'll say, Nadal won his Wimbledon titles, AO title, or USO titles facing nobody, or weak competition ( which everyone knows isn't true ).

No one else was going to topple the GOAT grass player at Wimbledon till 2008 happened.
 
kevaninho said:
Got to love when facts trump opinion LOL

But I guess they'll say, Nadal won his Wimbledon titles, AO title, or USO titles facing nobody, or weak competition ( which everyone knows isn't true ).

No one else was going to topple the GOAT grass player at Wimbledon till 2008 happened.
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No one is going to say that Nadal has won the WTF that's for sure.
 
UnforcedTerror said:
I'm talking about true claycourtes, players like Ferrer and Thiem.
Fed and Djokovic are good on clay but that doesn't make them natural claycourters.
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Theyre natural all court tennis players LOL 2 of the most gifted guys to ever play tennis. ( Fed and Djoker ).
They beat these so-called 'clay court' specialists , as you say, everytime.
 

I'm sure Novak fancied his chance against Nadal in Rome last year even though he was exhausted. That's why he was furious with himself.
 
kevaninho said:
So you have to admit, by achievements, that Nadal is a better grass player, and HC player, than Federer or Djokovic are on clay. No ?
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No you are joking.
Even a 38 years old Fed managed to reach the SF of the FO.
Nadal on the other hand: 1st round AO 2016 1st round Wimbledon 2013 (probably his best year on tour with 2008 2005 2010) 3rd round USO 2015...and no WTF
 
MichaelNadal said:
Who are the true GREAT hardcourters? :D I'll wait. Zverev? Nishikori? Raonic? Thiem?

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Roger Federer maybe, the guy that won 20 slams, 11 on HC? And Nadal is pretty good, you call him second best at USO behind Fed? USO is hardcourt, no? Btw, Nadal and Federer never met at USO, Novak and Rog played 6 times there.
Who is the true GREAT claycourter that Nadal had in his way all these years?
 
myth said:
No you are joking.
Even a 38 years old Fed managed to reach the SF of the FO.
Nadal on the other hand: 1st round AO 2016 1st round Wimbledon 2013 (probably his best year on tour with 2008 2005 2010) 3rd round USO 2015...and no WTF
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Why are you talking about Federer in 2019, yet you have to go back to 2016 to discuss Nadal LOL

Nadals career has been great in 2017, 18, 19, and so far in 2020.

But you keep thinking back to 2016 if you like ...LOL
 
Nadal, and it's not even close, but then there is a lot you have to take into account.

First of all there's probably more good hard courters around the top of the game than clay courters (ish).

Second of all, clay tennis given it's nature has the larger margins given its greater emphasis on the ground game so its technically harder for a lesser player to upset a better/more complete/happier on the surface one.

Third of all there's more variance in hard courts around the world than there is in the clay ones, so again, dominating comprehensively is tougher to do.

Fourth there is just so much more hard court tennis played at the higher levels of the game that you can't just have a stellar month and a half of the year and say you've dominated the field on the surface.
 
Tenacity said:
Roger Federer maybe, the guy that won 20 slams, 11 on HC? And Nadal is pretty good, you call him second best at USO behind Fed? USO is hardcourt, no? Btw, Nadal and Federer never met at USO, Novak and Rog played 6 times there.
Who is the true GREAT claycourter that Nadal had in his way all these years?
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The same answer fool, Djokovic and Federer :p you know...... the guys that would have 5-6 FO titles each without Rafa? BOOM.

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Sport said:
No, I acnowledged that fact. When did I deny it? But it doesn't make Djokovic comparable on hard to Nadal on clay. 12 Grand Slams on clay in only one event >>>>>> 11 Grand Slams on hard in two events.
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By saying Nadal is better than Djokovic, you yourself are disproving the assertion that it is incomparable.
 
MichaelNadal said:
The same answer fool, Djokovic and Federer :p you know...... the guys that would have 5-6 FO titles without Rafa? BOOM.

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HAHA, nice argument, would have, if, etc. Calling Federer and Djokovic claycourters.
Djokovic would have 2 more USO without Nadal playing insane HC tennis, wow.

Who was Nadal's true GREAT claycourter that he had to overcome all these years? Was it Ferrer or Thiem?

Thanks for the name calling btw. You are cute
 
Tenacity said:
HAHA, nice argument, would have, if, etc. Calling Federer and Djokovic claycourters.
Djokovic would have 2 more USO without Nadal playing insane HC tennis, wow.

Who was Nadal's true GREAT claycourter that he had to overcome all these years? Was it Ferrer or Thiem?
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Who are Djokovic's GREAT hardcourters? :D Troicki or Isner? :p

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It's nice to know it took all the way until 3/6/2020 for Nadal to be recognized as a GREAT hardcourter when it finally suited an argument and that he played insane tennis to beat Djokovic for his 2 USO's ;) you're losing this from 8 directions homes.
 
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