Poll: Should the sponsors of drug cheats be penalized/fined too?

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I think it is a brilliant idea to fine and sanction the sponsors of dopers as suggested here.

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Maria Sharapova’s racket sponsor Head ‘highly cynical’, says David Millar

• Head ‘sending worst possible message’ by backing player, says former cyclist
• Anti-doping campaigner says sponsors as well as athletes should be penalized

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The former cyclist David Millar was banned for taking EPO and later became a World Anti-Doping Agency committee member. Photograph: Tim De Waele/TDWsport.com/Corbis

Maria Sharapova’s racket sponsor, Head, has been accused of being “highly cynical and irresponsible” after the company suggested extending her contract despite her positive drugs test at the Australian Open in January.

The former cyclist David Millar, who was banned for taking EPO and later became a World Anti-Doping Agency committee member, also called for a code that would punish an athlete’s sponsors if their client committed a doping offence.

Head said it wanted to extend its deal with Sharapova because it was “proud” of its relationship with the five-times grand slam winner. In a statement, it also described her as “a role model and woman of integrity who has earned the benefit of the doubt and we are extending it to her”.

The company’s chairman and chief executive, Johan Eliasch, added that: “In the absence of any evidence of any intent by Maria of enhancing her performance or trying to gain an unfair advantage through the use of mildronate, we conclude this falls into the category of ‘honest’ mistakes.”

Millar was scathing in his response. “That definitely sends the wrong message,” he said. “It’s a highly cynical move. That’s fairly irresponsible by Head and it’s sending the worst possible message there is.

“There is no such thing as bad publicity for sponsors. There is nothing at stake for them. Because of that, they are profiting from it. They wouldn’t sponsor Sharapova, or Lance Armstrong back in the day, if it wasn’t of economical interest to them.”

Millar, who was caught taking the blood boosting drug EPO in 2004, suggested that if sponsors were hit with a significant penalty after their athletes cheated it would encourage them to engage more with the fight against doping.

“Sponsors should pay an economical price if one of their athletes does make a mistake because you would be amazed at the difference that would make,” Millar said. “They would become more proactive, they would actually have to buy into the fact they are there to prevent and not just external bodies that have nothing to do with it.” When Millar was reminded Sharapova earned $35m in endorsements last year, he suggested the financial penalty for sponsorships had to be significant.

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Maria Sharapova tested positive for meldonium which is also known as mildronate. Photograph: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images

“It has to be big, if we are talking numbers like that it has to be more than 20%,” he said. “Any less and they won’t give a ****. Having their brands taken off all events for two months, or a heavy fine, that kind of thing.

“Make Adidas, Nike or Puma or whoever it is, be sanctioned as well. Then all of a sudden it would be ‘we need to get involved in this’.”

Millar, who was speaking at the Tackling Doping in Sport Conference at Twickenham, also called for Sharapova’s entourage to be banned if she was found guilty of doping. “Whoever got it for her, that person should be held responsible as well. She must tell us who the people involved were, and the entourage needs to be sanctioned as well.”

He also warned the International Tennis Federation needed to do more to tackle drugs. “I’m not sure they are at the level they need to be at,” he said. “It does seem a little bit lackadaisical what they are doing and it has been proven by Sharapova.

“Cases like this will wake people up. It will make people realise something needs to happen. Sadly for Maria it takes somebody of her status to create this dialogue and it’s the only way the ITF will be forced to have a look at themselves and put themselves into action.”

Millar claimed that sport was “in the dark ages” when it came to tackling doping but insisted Wada was doing its best to address the problem, despite its tight budget.

“I think Wada is doing its best with their funding,” he said. “They have been fighting in the wind for those 17 years. They are massively underbudgeted. People there are hugely passionate and if we didn’t have them we’d be in a lot of trouble. Hopefully in 25 years’ time we’ll have this problem fixed and we’ll look back now and think we were in the dark ages.”
 
Only if it can be proven their mind-reading machine was working well during the length of the contract.
 
I think it is a brilliant idea to fine and sanction the sponsors of dopers as suggested here.

What do ya say? Poll included.

Maria Sharapova’s racket sponsor Head ‘highly cynical’, says David Millar

• Head ‘sending worst possible message’ by backing player, says former cyclist
• Anti-doping campaigner says sponsors as well as athletes should be penalized

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The former cyclist David Millar was banned for taking EPO and later became a World Anti-Doping Agency committee member. Photograph: Tim De Waele/TDWsport.com/Corbis

Maria Sharapova’s racket sponsor, Head, has been accused of being “highly cynical and irresponsible” after the company suggested extending her contract despite her positive drugs test at the Australian Open in January.

The former cyclist David Millar, who was banned for taking EPO and later became a World Anti-Doping Agency committee member, also called for a code that would punish an athlete’s sponsors if their client committed a doping offence.

Head said it wanted to extend its deal with Sharapova because it was “proud” of its relationship with the five-times grand slam winner. In a statement, it also described her as “a role model and woman of integrity who has earned the benefit of the doubt and we are extending it to her”.

The company’s chairman and chief executive, Johan Eliasch, added that: “In the absence of any evidence of any intent by Maria of enhancing her performance or trying to gain an unfair advantage through the use of mildronate, we conclude this falls into the category of ‘honest’ mistakes.”

Millar was scathing in his response. “That definitely sends the wrong message,” he said. “It’s a highly cynical move. That’s fairly irresponsible by Head and it’s sending the worst possible message there is.

“There is no such thing as bad publicity for sponsors. There is nothing at stake for them. Because of that, they are profiting from it. They wouldn’t sponsor Sharapova, or Lance Armstrong back in the day, if it wasn’t of economical interest to them.”

Millar, who was caught taking the blood boosting drug EPO in 2004, suggested that if sponsors were hit with a significant penalty after their athletes cheated it would encourage them to engage more with the fight against doping.

“Sponsors should pay an economical price if one of their athletes does make a mistake because you would be amazed at the difference that would make,” Millar said. “They would become more proactive, they would actually have to buy into the fact they are there to prevent and not just external bodies that have nothing to do with it.” When Millar was reminded Sharapova earned $35m in endorsements last year, he suggested the financial penalty for sponsorships had to be significant.

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Maria Sharapova tested positive for meldonium which is also known as mildronate. Photograph: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images

“It has to be big, if we are talking numbers like that it has to be more than 20%,” he said. “Any less and they won’t give a ****. Having their brands taken off all events for two months, or a heavy fine, that kind of thing.

“Make Adidas, Nike or Puma or whoever it is, be sanctioned as well. Then all of a sudden it would be ‘we need to get involved in this’.”

Millar, who was speaking at the Tackling Doping in Sport Conference at Twickenham, also called for Sharapova’s entourage to be banned if she was found guilty of doping. “Whoever got it for her, that person should be held responsible as well. She must tell us who the people involved were, and the entourage needs to be sanctioned as well.”

He also warned the International Tennis Federation needed to do more to tackle drugs. “I’m not sure they are at the level they need to be at,” he said. “It does seem a little bit lackadaisical what they are doing and it has been proven by Sharapova.

“Cases like this will wake people up. It will make people realise something needs to happen. Sadly for Maria it takes somebody of her status to create this dialogue and it’s the only way the ITF will be forced to have a look at themselves and put themselves into action.”

Millar claimed that sport was “in the dark ages” when it came to tackling doping but insisted Wada was doing its best to address the problem, despite its tight budget.

“I think Wada is doing its best with their funding,” he said. “They have been fighting in the wind for those 17 years. They are massively underbudgeted. People there are hugely passionate and if we didn’t have them we’d be in a lot of trouble. Hopefully in 25 years’ time we’ll have this problem fixed and we’ll look back now and think we were in the dark ages.”
Why this is brilliant idea? You do realize this type of thing will not stand in a court . This case is turning into witch hunting.
 
I think we should also burn down their villages, enslave their men and kill all women and children. I'd propose harsher punishments but I'm a magnanimous man so I think we should show some lenience. Ah, and put salt in the soil and poison in the wells lest some of them come back.

From the Wikipedia entry on David Millar: 'But the suspension cost Millar his job, his income and his house. He was drunk for much of a year.'

Sorry you got busted, mate, and too bad they treated you like crap (they did). Too bad your sponsors decided to drop you like a hot potato and condemn you to years of misery. You should be actually praising Head for sticking up for Masha because I bet this is what you wished your sponsors had done for you. But instead you want everyone to suffer as badly as you.
 
I think we should also burn down their villages, enslave their men and kill all women and children. I'd propose harsher punishments but I'm a magnanimous man so I think we should show some lenience. Ah, and put salt in the soil and poison in the wells lest some of them come back.
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But in all seriousness, how is it fair to punish a person for an offence that someone else committed? Unless there is proof that the sponsors were in on it...
 
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But in all seriousness, how is it fair to punish a person for an offence that someone else committed? Unless there is proof that the sponsors were in on it...

Obviously, something like this would only be fair if it was implemented in future with plenty of advanced notice, so sponsors would know the rules beforehand and could decide on whether it was worth it for them to sponsor players. They'd have to asses the risk, and it would just be a cost of doing business. Players are basically employees of the sponsors, so the sponsors could have some responsibility and accountability with what the players do. The sponsors could hold seminars, or educate the players on the perils of doping etc if they wanted to. If the player wrecks the credibility and reputation of a sport by doping, i don't see why the player's sponsor could not also be accountable.
 
Obviously, something like this would only be fair if it was implemented in future with plenty of advanced notice, so sponsors would know the rules beforehand and could decide on whether it was worth it for them to sponsor players. They'd have to asses the risk, and it would just be a cost of doing business. Players are basically employees of the sponsors, so the sponsors could have some responsibility and accountability with what the players do. The sponsors could hold seminars, or educate the players on the perils of doping etc if they wanted to. If the player wrecks the credibility and reputation of a sport by doping, i don't see why the player's sponsor could not also be accountable.
It is just like saying if you become a criminal your parents ,guardians or teachers are responsible, and they should also share a jail time with you as they fail to give you good moral education.
 
If and only if sponsor are encouraging and providing ped to athletes, they should be fined or banned.
 
No it's not because children are not employees of their parents.
That is why parents should be punished more as employer don't have personal interest in athletes so why should they take their classes or seminars, isn't it is Wada , ITF and their country federation responsibility to teach them, while parents have personal interest, and teachers are paid so that they can make child better so there should be more bigger punishment for them as they lived whole life and can't teach a child, that what is good or bad.
This is all according to your argument of teaching, seminars
 
That is why parents should be punished more as employer don't have personal interest in athletes so why should they take their classes or seminars, isn't it is Wada , ITF and their country federation responsibility to teach them, while parents have personal interest, and teachers are paid so that they can make child better so there should be more bigger punishment for them as they lived whole life and can't teach a child, that what is good or bad.
This is all according to your argument of teaching, seminars

The employer has a professional interest, so they should also be accountable. When a restaurant gets busted for poor hygiene standards, the restaurant gets fined/sanctioned because they're responsible for what their employees do(ie the chef), even if the chef has only been working there for a day or a month. The school or teachers that trained the cooks doesn't get fined, nor do the parents of the cook.
 
Maybe sponsors should do drug testing on products they want to endorse ?
Not going to happen, they sponsor a product given potential or achieved success.
If the product is later determined to be illegal, they drop the sponsor.
There is some profit based on biased performance and then some cost to drop the sponsor.
I dont think the process will change or fines will be levied against sponsors unless proven they are in the know beforehand.
 
The employer has a professional interest, so they should also be accountable. When a restaurant gets busted for poor hygiene standards, the restaurant gets fined/sanctioned because they're responsible for what their employees do(ie the chef), even if the chef has only been working there for a day or a month. The school or teachers that trained the cooks doesn't get fined, nor do the parents of the cook.

A restaurant can monitor it;s own hygiene, how can some sponsors be monitoring hundreds of athletes all around the world. If I have 5 sponsors, do each of them land up at my doorstep every now and then to conduct a dope test, in addition to the agency ?
 
What about when the nation sponsors a player as often happens in India or China (I think). In some cases it is taxpayer's money, so should the entire nation be fined :D ?
Yes, China should be fined. We now have a way to eliminate debt to a debtor :)
 
Ok, it seems the people have spoken! Looks like this concept is a bit too progressive for today's standards. Maybe they should just go back to basics, and feed the dopers to the lions - that would be enough disincentive.

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The employer has a professional interest, so they should also be accountable. When a restaurant gets busted for poor hygiene standards, the restaurant gets fined/sanctioned because they're responsible for what their employees do(ie the chef), even if the chef has only been working there for a day or a month. The school or teachers that trained the cooks doesn't get fined, nor do the parents of the cook.
You understand about the parent but not about the sponsor, you don't even realize what you are writing, you don't even understand if this was done then this analogy can be used in further cases also , creating a complete mess and thank god you are not a lawmaker.
 
*Yawn* Another former athlete of limited intelligence promoting ideas which are impractical and plainly moronic.

As-if
the sponsor is responsible for anything done by the athlete (well, cycling might be an exception to that) or should be penalised in some way. :rolleyes:

Miller might want to fine their parents too for creating the athlete.
 
"Punish the Sponsors" -- an idea even (some) trial attorneys would be embarassed to take credit for. While we're at it, why not punish people who henceforth buy Head products?
 
Brilliant idea? If brilliant = absurd, then sure.

While Head obviously does not want to lose a high-profile "sponsee" like Sharapova, they are also taking a fair-minded approach of not condemning her before all the facts are known. Extenuating circumstances? Innocent until proven guilty, anyone? Johan Eliasch of Head has indicated:

The levels of dosage that I believe she has been taking is significantly below the levels where this meldonium substance would have any impact on her athletic performance... I have made my case based upon the circumstances as we know them, and I have absolutely no doubt she has been 100 percent transparent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/sports/tennis/maria-sharapova-meldonium-positive-tests.html
 
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I think it is a brilliant idea to fine and sanction the sponsors of dopers as suggested here.

What do ya say? Poll included.

Maria Sharapova’s racket sponsor Head ‘highly cynical’, says David Millar

• Head ‘sending worst possible message’ by backing player, says former cyclist
• Anti-doping campaigner says sponsors as well as athletes should be penalized

4256.jpg


The former cyclist David Millar was banned for taking EPO and later became a World Anti-Doping Agency committee member. Photograph: Tim De Waele/TDWsport.com/Corbis

Maria Sharapova’s racket sponsor, Head, has been accused of being “highly cynical and irresponsible” after the company suggested extending her contract despite her positive drugs test at the Australian Open in January.

The former cyclist David Millar, who was banned for taking EPO and later became a World Anti-Doping Agency committee member, also called for a code that would punish an athlete’s sponsors if their client committed a doping offence.

Head said it wanted to extend its deal with Sharapova because it was “proud” of its relationship with the five-times grand slam winner. In a statement, it also described her as “a role model and woman of integrity who has earned the benefit of the doubt and we are extending it to her”.

The company’s chairman and chief executive, Johan Eliasch, added that: “In the absence of any evidence of any intent by Maria of enhancing her performance or trying to gain an unfair advantage through the use of mildronate, we conclude this falls into the category of ‘honest’ mistakes.”

Millar was scathing in his response. “That definitely sends the wrong message,” he said. “It’s a highly cynical move. That’s fairly irresponsible by Head and it’s sending the worst possible message there is.

“There is no such thing as bad publicity for sponsors. There is nothing at stake for them. Because of that, they are profiting from it. They wouldn’t sponsor Sharapova, or Lance Armstrong back in the day, if it wasn’t of economical interest to them.”

Millar, who was caught taking the blood boosting drug EPO in 2004, suggested that if sponsors were hit with a significant penalty after their athletes cheated it would encourage them to engage more with the fight against doping.

“Sponsors should pay an economical price if one of their athletes does make a mistake because you would be amazed at the difference that would make,” Millar said. “They would become more proactive, they would actually have to buy into the fact they are there to prevent and not just external bodies that have nothing to do with it.” When Millar was reminded Sharapova earned $35m in endorsements last year, he suggested the financial penalty for sponsorships had to be significant.

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Maria Sharapova tested positive for meldonium which is also known as mildronate. Photograph: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images

“It has to be big, if we are talking numbers like that it has to be more than 20%,” he said. “Any less and they won’t give a ****. Having their brands taken off all events for two months, or a heavy fine, that kind of thing.

“Make Adidas, Nike or Puma or whoever it is, be sanctioned as well. Then all of a sudden it would be ‘we need to get involved in this’.”

Millar, who was speaking at the Tackling Doping in Sport Conference at Twickenham, also called for Sharapova’s entourage to be banned if she was found guilty of doping. “Whoever got it for her, that person should be held responsible as well. She must tell us who the people involved were, and the entourage needs to be sanctioned as well.”

He also warned the International Tennis Federation needed to do more to tackle drugs. “I’m not sure they are at the level they need to be at,” he said. “It does seem a little bit lackadaisical what they are doing and it has been proven by Sharapova.

“Cases like this will wake people up. It will make people realise something needs to happen. Sadly for Maria it takes somebody of her status to create this dialogue and it’s the only way the ITF will be forced to have a look at themselves and put themselves into action.”

Millar claimed that sport was “in the dark ages” when it came to tackling doping but insisted Wada was doing its best to address the problem, despite its tight budget.

“I think Wada is doing its best with their funding,” he said. “They have been fighting in the wind for those 17 years. They are massively underbudgeted. People there are hugely passionate and if we didn’t have them we’d be in a lot of trouble. Hopefully in 25 years’ time we’ll have this problem fixed and we’ll look back now and think we were in the dark ages.”

Don't compare EPO and Meldonium. Meldonium is NOT a drug, it is antidrug. WADA is not independence organisation, so if it will be profitable for WADA sponsors ban say Vitamin C they will ban it. Also it's a very funny read former cyclist notes about this case, it's well known that cyclists are world champions of drugs taking. Especially cyclist who've been caught and now trying to be polite.
 
How could this possibly be done? The sponsors pay a player to wear a logo/use their product in the hopes of selling a product. If a person doesn't like the association, don't buy their products. That's how you *punish* a sponsor. But an actual formal punishment?
 
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