[POLL) Sinner 2024 vs Djokovic 2023

[Winner Sinner]

Sinner 2024
6 titles
2 slams
2 masters 1000
record=61-6
Win %= 91.04
record vs top5= 6-4
record vs top 10= 10-5
Performance in majors;
AO=W
RG= SF
W=QF
UO=W
Competition level?

Djokovic 2023
7 titles
3 slams
ATP Finals
2 masters 1000
record= 56-7
Win % = 89.06
record vs top 5= 8-3
record vs top 10= 17-5
Performance in majors;
AO= W
RG=W
W= F
UO=W
Competition level?

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Djokovic easily.

3 slams in one year wins every time.

Even if Sinner won Shanghai, Paris and the ATP Finals it still wouldn't matter.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Can we erase both from history?

 

[Winner Sinner]

Djokovic easily.

3 slams in one year wins every time.

Even if Sinner won Shanghai, Paris and the ATP Finals it still wouldn't matter.

I also voted for Djokovic, but easily no. If Djokovic's 2023 level was 9.5, Sinner's level in 2024 does not go below 9, and he would also have several alibis to justify some defeats.
Let's say Djokovic 2023 globally stronger, more competitive in the majors, better performance against the top 5/10.
Sinner 2024 more constant (even in defeats, everyone was very tight and always won 1/2 set) and fewer defeats against average level players (immaculate record against players outside the top 20).

 

[KingCarlitos]

Djokovic defeated Alcaraz multiple times in 2024 and was a set away from Calendar slam at 36, Meanwhile Sinner got slapped by Alcaraz in all three of their meetings this year and only won slams against choking Med and an easy ass USO draw, although you can’t blame him as you can only beat who is in front of you there is nothing outstanding about his slam wins. Sinner won many 1000s and did very well in that aspect however relying on others to take out Alcaraz asterisks this.

 

[InsideOut900]

Sinner played more, but Novak won pretty much every big tournament he played in outside of clay.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Djokovic defeated Alcaraz multiple times in 2024 and was a set away from Calendar slam at 36, Meanwhile Sinner got slapped by Alcaraz in all three of their meetings this year and only won slams against choking Med and an easy ass USO draw, although you can’t blame him as you can only beat who is in front of you there is nothing outstanding about his slam wins. Sinner won many 1000s and did very well in that aspect however relying on others to take out Alcaraz asterisks this.

"relying on others"

LOL

If anything, it means showing up for the challenge with Sinner only when you are in top shape. If Alcaraz had beaten Dimitrov in Miami (but to do so he obviously had to be at the top) then it is easy to predict that he would have come away with broken bones. Sinner always arrives (except Wimbledon) for the appointment with his rival, the Spaniard only "when he wants".

Regarding the path to the 2024 US Open, was it that different from Djokovic's path to the 2023 US Open or the 2023 Australian Open?
I ask huh.

And in any case Sinner in Melbourne beat (disintegrated) Djokovic in his favorite slam and when his aura was still at the top, not like Alcaraz at the last Wimbledon where the Serbian had already accumulated several unexpected defeats in the season (aura compromised) and was returning from the operation to the meniscus. And he even lost in the Olympic final.

When you talk about Sinner 2024, rinse your mouth and remove the slices of ham from your Spanish fanboy eyes, and above all try to judge impartially.

 

[Oleksandr.Usyk]

Djokovic would make him look like a schoolboy.

Djokovic's level dropped big time. Perfect example is Wimbledon after knee surgery. Alcaraz played better on Grass in 2023 than 2024 and let's compare both Djokovic's results in Wimbledon Finals 2023 and 2024.

Sinner is lucky that Djokovic lacks Motivation and his knee can not let him play 2023 marvelous level.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It's sinners good fortune that he is being discussed with GOAT's third best season of all time.

By Djokovic by a mile.

When you lose in semis and quarters of a slam. That's it. Done

 

[nolefam_2024]

It's Djokovic easily.

If some years like 2018 or 2019 were taken then ok.

But Djokovic top levels 2011, 2015, 2023, maybe even 2021 clears this so easily.

Sinner is having Djokovic 2014 like season. Even 2013 would be WRONG to compare.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Djokovic would destroy him at AO, RG, Wimbledon, USO & YEC.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

It's Djokovic easily.

If some years like 2018 or 2019 were taken then ok.

But Djokovic top levels 2011, 2015, 2023, maybe even 2021 clears this so easily.

Sinner is having Djokovic 2014 like season. Even 2013 would be WRONG to compare.

I'm not a Novak fan, but 2018-19 Djokovic would definitely not lose slam a match to this Sinner, let alone his pre-2017 versions.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I'm not a Novak fan, but 2018-19 Djokovic would definitely not lose slam a match to this Sinner, let alone his pre-2017 versions.

I am talking in accomplishments.

When sinner loses to Medvedev in wimby, he has no case.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I am talking in accomplishments.

When sinner loses to Medvedev in wimby, he has no case.

Well if we're talking about achievements, then yeah probably he matches 2018/19 Djok.
But if some Sinner fan comes to me talking about level of play; I don't see Sinner winning a BO5 match against any decent versions of Big 3.

 

[KingCarlitos]

"relying on others"

LOL

If anything, it means showing up for the challenge with Sinner only when you are in top shape. If Alcaraz had beaten Dimitrov in Miami (but to do so he obviously had to be at the top) then it is easy to predict that he would have come away with broken bones. Sinner always arrives (except Wimbledon) for the appointment with his rival, the Spaniard only "when he wants".

Regarding the path to the 2024 US Open, was it that different from Djokovic's path to the 2023 US Open or the 2023 Australian Open?
I ask huh.

And in any case Sinner in Melbourne beat (disintegrated) Djokovic in his favorite slam and when his aura was still at the top, not like Alcaraz at the last Wimbledon where the Serbian had already accumulated several unexpected defeats in the season (aura compromised) and was returning from the operation to the meniscus. And he even lost in the Olympic final.

When you talk about Sinner 2024, rinse your mouth and remove the slices of ham from your Spanish fanboy eyes, and above all try to judge impartially.

Humble Crumble telling me to judge impartially is rich, I am no Carlos fanboy I have simply noted the case that every time Sinner plays Alcaraz he loses, Sinner is more consistent than Alcaraz but when Alcaraz turns up his best is better than Sinners.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Humble Crumble telling me to judge impartially is rich, I am no Carlos fanboy I have simply noted the case that every time Sinner plays Alcaraz he loses, Sinner is more consistent than Alcaraz but when Alcaraz turns up his best is better than Sinners.

I didn't even know the existence of this Humble Crumble except that some users like you got it into their heads that we are the same person. For your own good, let yourself be seen by a good person, why insinuate that two users must be the same person due to the common support for Sinner, I repeat Sinner, that is, the current number 1 in the world and last year elected the favorite player by fans of all over the world, it is limited and cowardly behavior. Ask the site administrators for clarification. I write from Italy and have been frequenting the forum for a few weeks.

 

[tennis_pro]

LMAO Djokovic everywhere.

An ATG (arguably GOAT) in late prime form against a doper mug who can't even win single matches against the one player that matters from his generation?

Sinner could only beat him in matches that were meaningless, but when it came to Slams/big finals Djokovic would be all over him.

 

[KingCarlitos]

I didn't even know the existence of this Humble Crumble except that some users like you got it into their heads that we are the same person. For your own good, let yourself be seen by a good person, why insinuate that two users must be the same person due to the common support for Sinner, I repeat Sinner, that is, the current number 1 in the world and last year elected the favorite player by fans of all over the world, it is limited and cowardly behavior. Ask the site administrators for clarification. I write from Italy and have been frequenting the forum for a few weeks.

It is not that you just like Sinner it’s that you are a Sinner extremist And appeared only a week or two after Humble Crumble was banned, you behave the same way

 

[Winner Sinner]

Djokovic would destroy him at AO, RG, Wimbledon, USO & YEC.

But last year that version of Djokovic, despite being superior to him, lost two matches out of four played against a more limited version of Sinner. Now incredibly I discover that the most advanced version of Sinner (2024) would lose all potential challenges in the biggest tournaments against Djokovic 2023. When you say the multiverse.

 

[Winner Sinner]

It is not that you just like Sinner it’s that you are a Sinner extremist And appeared only a week or two after Humble Crumble was banned, you behave the same way

Different points of view. For me you and others are much more extremist towards the Alcaraz topic than I consider myself to be on the Sinner topic, just look at your first comment in this thread("relying on others"). As for the rest, I repeat, ask the administrators for clarification, they can trace the ip address. So at least perhaps you will be convinced that the insinuations of some of you are not only unfounded but also disconcertingly superficial.

 

[Hitman]

One guy won three slams, the other won two slams. That says it all for me.

 

[nolefam_2024]

One guy won three slams, the other won two slams. That says it all for me.

2015 2011 2023 2012 2013 2021 probably even 2016 clears this season by sinner easily.

He can be better than maybe 2014/18/19 nole but definitely better than 2008/20/22

 

[GoatNo1]

it depend. if we are talking about actually results so nole, easily, as always if we are talking about stats or real life. BUT if we are talking about some hypothetically matches or muchups so all we know that nole is worst hypothetically player ever. he simple hypothetically can not reach so high level he has IRL. never could never will.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I want to know who are the 2 who chose sinner so I can put them on ignore list.

 

[KingCarlitos]

Different points of view. For me you and others are much more extremist towards the Alcaraz topic than I consider myself to be on the Sinner topic, just look at your first comment in this thread("relying on others"). As for the rest, I repeat, ask the administrators for clarification, they can trace the ip address. So at least perhaps you will be convinced that the insinuations of some of you are not only unfounded but also disconcertingly superficial.

I am hardly an Alcaraz extremist, In fact there are very few Alcaraz extremists on this forum, The majority is toxic towards Sinner extremists because there are far more (Sinner is very popular on TTW) and also they rely mostly on hypotheticals than reality as in predicting Sinner will win Wimbledon, Roland Garros, etc than actually what he has won. That said I can be biased towards Alcaraz at times and you don’t seem as extreme as most Sinner Stan’s.

 

[Winner Sinner]

I'm not a Novak fan, but 2018-19 Djokovic would definitely not lose slam a match to this Sinner, let alone his pre-2017 versions.

Let's reverse the perspective, is Djokovic 2024 or Sinner 2023 better?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Let's reverse the perspective, is Djokovic 2024 or Sinner 2023 better?

This is good one. Right now sinner 23 is better but the year isn't over.

 

[KingCarlitos]

This is good one. Right now sinner 23 is better but the year isn't over.

Sinner 23?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner 23?

Sinner 23 vs nole failed 24.

Not nole 23 of course. That is his third best season ever.

 

[KingCarlitos]

Nah, 2016 Nole was better despite 2 slams.

 

[NeutralFan]

One guy won three slams, the other won two slams. That says it all for me.

Yeah objective metrics is the key here but posters here calling Sinner mug are disrespectful, with a bit of luck Sunne result have won 3 slams this year

 

[NeutralFan]

I am hardly an Alcaraz extremist, In fact there are very few Alcaraz extremists on this forum, The majority is toxic towards Sinner extremists because there are far more (Sinner is very popular on TTW) and also they rely mostly on hypotheticals than reality as in predicting Sinner will win Wimbledon, Roland Garros, etc than actually what he has won. That said I can be biased towards Alcaraz at times and you don’t seem as extreme as most Sinner Stan’s.

It seems you're deliberately naive, if anything Carlos has way more fanatics on this forum. Sinner has just @dking68 son.

 

[GoatNo1]

Let's reverse the perspective, is Djokovic 2024 or Sinner 2023 better?

24 nole for nole.

if you ask me before this season what i as nole fan should choose OG or masters (no MC) + 3 MMs i would choose OG

 

[KingCarlitos]

Yeah objective metrics is the key here but posters here calling Sinner mug are disrespectful, with a bit of luck Sunne result have won 3 slams this year

Sinner Is not a mug, Mug used to be a top 10 below player now It is anyone that isn’t dominating tennis like big three.

 

[KingCarlitos]

It seems you're deliberately naive, if anything Carlos has way more fanatics on this forum. Sinner has just @dking68 son.

You left out yourself…

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic 2023

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Let's reverse the perspective, is Djokovic 2024 or Sinner 2023 better?

Sin23 on HC
Djok24 on clay & grass

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

But last year that version of Djokovic, despite being superior to him, lost two matches out of four played against a more limited version of Sinner. Now incredibly I discover that the most advanced version of Sinner (2024) would lose all potential challenges in the biggest tournaments against Djokovic 2023. When you say the multiverse.

I included the top 5 tournaments, only one of them is BO3. Djokovic didn't lose a slam match to him. As a matter of fact, he straight setted the Juicer at Wimbledon & YEC F. Do the math (not the word with 'e' instead of 'a').
The 2 losses that Djoko had were tight affairs that could've gone the other way, while his wins were one sided.

 

[zagor]

Novak clearly, in terms of achievements, level of play, everything.

2023 was Novak's swan song, even though he won the Gold in 2024. 2023 was the last year in which Novak was Novak.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Novak clearly, in terms of achievements, level of play, everything.

2023 was Novak's swan song, even though he won the Gold in 2024. 2023 was the last year in which Novak was Novak.

Wait till 25 in 2025. He is not going anywhere.

 

[zagor]

Wait till 25 in 2025. He is not going anywhere.

Maybe. He can swing freely now that he has won everything in tennis. We might see a very aggressive Novak in 2025.

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

Djoker was on a mission last year to break all the records so yea Djoker. Sinner got bogged down with doping scandals and injuries. Sinners head wouldn’t be in the right place to beat that version of Djoker

 

[The Blond Blur]

It’s pretty sad that Ancientovic was better than prime Sinner who was confirmed to be doping. Tennis after the Big 3 just doesn’t measure up to what it was a decade + ago.

 

[Lauren_Girl']

Hmmm. Djokovic had 11,245 points and let's not forget he didn't play IW/Miami because of the vaccine BS.
Sinner has currently 9430. Still more than 3,000 to take until WTF. He can finish with a higher total.
But Djokovic won 3 Slams + the WTF and was 1 set away from winning everything. For that reason alone I think his season wins.

 

[NeutralFan]

You left out yourself…

Not really, he's as good as i claim him that be. I am just a neutral observer of the game.

 

[StefanosRespecter]

Sinner is in big 3 territory. Elite backhand, elite stamina, 6'3" with long limbs.

 

[NeutralFan]

Sinner is in big 3 territory. Elite backhand, elite stamina, 6'3" with long limbs.

Same consistency as big 3

 

[StefanosRespecter]

Same consistency as big 3

His only challenge left at this point, IMO, is beating Alcatraz.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Sinner 2024
8 titles
2 slam
ATP Finals
3 masters 1000
record=72-6
Win %= 92.3%
record vs top5= 11-4
record vs top 10= 17-5
Performance in majors;
AO=W
RG= SF
W=QF
UO=W
Competition level?

Djokovic 2023
7 titles
3 slams
ATP Finals
2 masters 1000
record= 56-7
Win % = 88.8%
record vs top 5= 8-3
record vs top 10= 17-5
Performance in majors;
AO= W
RG=W
W= F
UO=W
Competition level?

Statistical comparison updated.

SO?

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Maybe. He can swing freely now that he has won everything in tennis. We might see a very aggressive Novak in 2025.

He isn't done till he wins 25th slam and at very least 104th overall title, believe me! This s just classic TTW blowing things out of proportions with their "he is done" usual doom'n'gloom talk in the wake of recency bias...It will be much better for Djokovic once more before it gets worse, but many delusional TTW members expect Novak's 2025 to be even worse than his 2024! This ain't happening, just because someone had one bad season doesn't mean the next one will be equally as bad or even worse...i'm pretty confident about Novak winning one of the four slams in 2025 and something like 3-4 titles at least...And as for the age? Age is just a number, motivation is much stronger force, that proven to defy age over and over again and not just in tennis...and this isn't going to be exception for 37/38 yo Djokovic in 2025...