[POLL] Which H2H streak among the big three was most impressive?

Which one impressed you the most?

  • Nadal over Federer between 2008 and 2009

    Votes: 10 19.6%

  • Djokovic over Nadal between 2011 and 2012

    Votes: 34 66.7%

  • Federer over Nadal between 2015 and 2017

    Votes: 7 13.7%
  • Total voters
    51
GoatNo1 said:
he bet rafa 7 times of which 3 times was on clay and one of them was at RG there rafa lost only 4 times in whole career. and he won tournament many times both before and after that lost.
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I am not making up numbers though

If you are using same barometer for all, the 2015-16 rivalry is lowest value as Nadal was much weakened.
 
In 2011-2012, in a little over a year, Djoker beat Nadal 7 straight, including 3 times at slams. The 2011 season is basically Djoker's greatest claim to greatness.

Well, from that point, Nadal turned around and did almost the exact same thing. In 2012-2013, in a little over a year, he won 6 of 7 from Djoker, including 3 victories at slams. That, of course, has been discussed much less. Over the years, Nadal fans should have brought it up much more than they have.
 
Antonio Puente said:
In 2011-2012, in a little over a year, Djoker beat Nadal 7 straight, including 3 times at slams. The 2011 season is basically Djoker's greatest claim to greatness.

Well, from that point, Nadal turned around and did almost the exact same thing. In 2012-2013, in a little over a year, he won 6 of 7 from Djoker, including 3 victories at slams. That, of course, has been discussed much less. Over the years, Nadal fans should have brought it up much more than they have.
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Why would they not bring it up ? But we are also not without our own arguments to counter. The 2012-13 run while being great, was halted by Djokovic in 2013 MC and post USOpen Djokovic started his own dominance again.
Also between 2012 Wimby to 2013 IW, Nadal was absent when Djokovic was playing some of his best tennis.

It should be brought up but its not a silver bullet, like 2011-12 is.
 
Antonio Puente said:
In 2011-2012, in a little over a year, Djoker beat Nadal 7 straight, including 3 times at slams. The 2011 season is basically Djoker's greatest claim to greatness.

Well, from that point, Nadal turned around and did almost the exact same thing. In 2012-2013, in a little over a year, he won 6 of 7 from Djoker, including 3 victories at slams. That, of course, has been discussed much less. Over the years, Nadal fans should have brought it up much more than they have.
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I mean we do, we’re just way less spammy about it.
 
Antonio Puente said:
In 2011-2012, in a little over a year, Djoker beat Nadal 7 straight, including 3 times at slams. The 2011 season is basically Djoker's greatest claim to greatness.

Well, from that point, Nadal turned around and did almost the exact same thing. In 2012-2013, in a little over a year, he won 6 of 7 from Djoker, including 3 victories at slams. That, of course, has been discussed much less. Over the years, Nadal fans should have brought it up much more than they have.
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we have heart pretty much about it. USO13 is most mention rafas victory (along with W08). as RG 11 is for rogers fans.
and after that famous USO13 and 6 (4 on clay) out of 7 for rafa came not that famous 11 out of 12 for nole (nobody talks about it) of which 4 was on clay inclusive RG.
 
Antonio Puente said:
In 2011-2012, in a little over a year, Djoker beat Nadal 7 straight, including 3 times at slams. The 2011 season is basically Djoker's greatest claim to greatness.

Well, from that point, Nadal turned around and did almost the exact same thing. In 2012-2013, in a little over a year, he won 6 of 7 from Djoker, including 3 victories at slams. That, of course, has been discussed much less. Over the years, Nadal fans should have brought it up much more than they have.
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Well, true, but there are a couple of key things missing from this. The first is that Nadal withdrew from what would very likely have been an 8th loss in a row in Miami, when he realized he would have to first face Lendlized Murray, with Djokovic waiting for him in the final.

The second is, while Nadal won those matches, and deserves credit for them, four of them were on clay, and none of them were on grass. In fact while Djokovic was making the latter stages of Wimbledon, Nadal was going out first round during this time. And lets not even discuss the killer mode Djokovic was in, in the YEC of 2012, Nadal sitting out that period with an injury. Djokovic beat Nadal on every single surface, including straight setting Nadal on clay multiple times.

And I like how Djokovic's run is always said to be in 2011, when he beat Nadal in 2012 for a slam title, nonetheless.
 
Hitman said:
Well, true, but there are a couple of key things missing from this. The first is that Nadal withdrew from what would very likely have been an 8th loss in a row in Miami, when he realized he would have to first face Lendlized Murray, with Djokovic waiting for him in the final.

The second is, while Nadal won those matches, and deserves credit for them, four of them were on clay, and none of them were on grass. In fact while Djokovic was making the latter stages of Wimbledon, Nadal was going out first round during this time. And lets not even discuss the killer mode Djokovic was in, in the YEC of 2012, Nadal sitting out that period with an injury. Djokovic beat Nadal on every single surface, including straight setting Nadal on clay multiple times.

And I like how Djokovic's run is always said to be in 2011, when he beat Nadal in 2012 for a slam title, nonetheless.
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I haven't even made surface excuse. We don't make surface excuse if Nadal shows up on other surfaces. But the problem comes from Nadal guy. He skips and then his followers not fans come in hoards to boast.

Brother your guy just plays clay. What can other players do.
 
Mustard said:
The 2010 Wimbledon semi final match was tense from both Nadal and Murray throughout, with only a few points making the difference, in Nadal's favour. The 2011 Wimbledon semi final was a total contrast, with Murray being more aggressive, winning the first set and starting the second set well. Murray then missed what was a simple forehand, and he collapsed for nearly 2 sets, as if he had shot his load, and Nadal just routined him. The fourth set was a bit closer, but Murray couldn't recover from what happened early in the second set.
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I miss those Nadal Murray CRISPY ASS Wimbledon matches
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I haven't even made surface excuse. We don't make surface excuse if Nadal shows up on other surfaces. But the problem comes from Nadal guy. He skips and then his followers not fans come in hoards to boast.

Brother your guy just plays clay. What can other players do.
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All the wins matter, and he deserves praise for his wins over Djokovic, but take a look at where he pulled those wins off. Djokovic kept meeting Nadal in every final on every surface, he practically dethroned Nadal as defending champion at two clay masters and two slams during that run.

Nadal reclaimed the clay and kudos to him for that, and he got what is basically two wins on non-clay since Djokovic won his second slam, all within the period of one month.
 
Hitman said:
All the wins matter, and he deserves praise for his wins over Djokovic, but take a look at where he pulled those wins off. Djokovic kept meeting Nadal in every final on every surface, he practically dethroned Nadal as defending champion at two clay masters and two slams during that run.

Nadal reclaimed the clay and kudos to him for that, and he got what is basically two wins on non-clay since Djokovic won his second slam, all within the period of one month.
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You can't keep pulling out of tournaments and decide you dominated. Exactly.

And that is only nail need in the coffin. Show up take the losses.
 
Federer was 5 years older than Nadal and well past his athletic prime but still managed to take down a 30 year old Nadal consistently. It’s what sparked the question as to what would have happened had Federer switched racquets earlier and hit over the Nadal serve more.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
You can't keep pulling out of tournaments and decide you dominated. Exactly.

And that is only nail need in the coffin. Show up take the losses.
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If you look at that response by Nadal, after losing the AO final and going 0-7, he withdraws from Miami with an injury and avoid a very likely loss to Djokovic for the 8th time, and that is if he gets past Murray first. He puts together a strong response on the red clay and gets credit for that, Nadal stamps his authority there, but after RG 2012, the next win is a full year later at RG 2013....a full year later. Does Nadal actually get any wins over Djokovic at YEC 2012 or AO 2013? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet on it.

The Djokovic streak was different, he was beating Nadal every other week, following him like a shadow all over the world. The only real claim is that Djokovic failed to get to Nadal at RG 2011, but then again we saw how mentally inside Nadal's head Djokovic had got by the time Rome had finished.
 
Hitman said:
If you look at that response by Nadal, after losing the AO final and going 0-7, he withdraws from Miami with an injury and avoid a very likely loss to Djokovic for the 8th time, and that is if he gets past Murray first. He puts together a strong response on the red clay and gets credit for that, Nadal stamps his authority there, but after RG 2012, the next win is a full year later at RG 2013....a full year later. Does Nadal actually get any wins over Djokovic at YEC 2012 or AO 2013? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet on it.

The Djokovic streak was different, he was beating Nadal every other week, following him like a shadow all over the world. The only real claim is that Djokovic failed to get to Nadal at RG 2011, but then again we saw how mentally inside Nadal's head Djokovic had got by the time Rome had finished.
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Yes

Just like Nadal failed to reach Federer at usopen as well. Failure is fine. But not repeated failures exactly.

I respect Nadal streak over fed and Djokovic streak over Nadal. Those two are the best dominations at the atg level I think.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Yes

Just like Nadal failed to reach Federer at usopen as well. Failure is fine. But not repeated failures exactly.

I respect Nadal streak over fed and Djokovic streak over Nadal. Those two are the best dominations at the atg level I think.
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Its kind of why H2H are very deceptive.

Take a look at Borg vs McEnroe...it is 7-7, but they never once played on clay where Borg would be vastly superior.
 
Oooh coping :D

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Hitman said:
Nadal hurt his hamstring a few games into that match, that is not a bad a loss at AO 2011. He was simply unfortunate.

Nadal pushed Djokovic hard at Miami 2011, he had the capability to beat him, but Djokovic was simply more clutch. What impacted Nadal was that his confidence went down, his ability to actually play was still very good.

Anyways, like I said, if you want to say Nadal was better on hard court 2013, that is fair enough, I don't argue that, but making out that there was this clear gap in level is a little too much, Nadal where he was losing final set tie breaks to Djokovic such as Miami 2011, he was winning them such as Montreal 2013, the difference is not that huge. Nadal played a little better in 2013, and Djokovic worse.
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If Nadal wins IW 2011 (arguably the most important match in their rivalry in my view) do you think Miami 2011 is a different outcome or does Djokovic win more easily that match as Nadal maybe less revved up, but loses their clay court meetings.
 
Hitman said:
Nadal wins both IW and Miami in 2011 if he doesn't face Djokovic. His Miami performance was as good as it gets. Actually scratch that he might have lost IW 2011 to Federer who has beat him both times he was actually healthy. Nadal faced an injured back Federer in IW 2013 and Cincy 2013. Nadal can be said to be better in 2013 on hard but it is not the clear homerun you are making it out to be. Djokovic himself as you admitted wasn't at his best either in 2013. So while I give you the nod on himn edging out on hard in 2013 he still is not clearly ahead. His win streak is also debatable as I highly doubt he is undefeated until Beijing if he had played AO and Miami, two events which were never kind to him.
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What are the Nadal v Federer h2h matches at IW and what time of day was each match?
 
messiahrobins said:
If Nadal wins IW 2011 (arguably the most important match in their rivalry in my view) do you think Miami 2011 is a different outcome or does Djokovic win more easily that match as Nadal maybe less revved up, but loses their clay court meetings.
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If Nadal had beaten Djokovic in IW 2011, he very likely beats him in Miami also IMO. Nadal would have had the wind in his back, because he would have tamed the wild horse Djokovic, and ended his run. Things would have been very different IMO. That loss started the change, because remember, before that win, Nadal had never lost a final of any kind to Djokovic, that match made Djokovic believe.
 
I’m impressed that this thread has been derailed into a fight about Djokodal from 2011-2013. The answer to the actual question from OP is clearly Djoker by a mile (for slams only it’s Nadal but his streak was shorter and I’m less fussed by his Bo3), particularly for the 4 matches from Miami to Wimbledon, which were all very good quality
 
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Hitman said:
If Nadal had beaten Djokovic in IW 2011, he very likely beats him in Miami also IMO. Nadal would have had the wind in his back, because he would have tamed the wild horse Djokovic, and ended his run. Things would have been very different IMO. That loss started the change, because remember, before that win, Nadal had never lost a final of any kind to Djokovic, that match made Djokovic believe.
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I agree which is why i think it was a seismic match. Rafa was a bit salty after that match if i recall, whereas Novak called him GOAT.
 
Hitman said:
2-1 to Federer. Two matches split in night session and one day session that Federer won.
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Astonishing Federer won the day match in 2017 i think. That hurt me big time. AO i sort of dismissed as Rafa had less time to prep for the final after a gruelling 5 setter and i thought he would put Federer back in his box at IW and i remember sitting there in disbelief as Roger dismantled him.
 
messiahrobins said:
Astonishing Federer won the day match in 2017 i think. That hurt me big time. AO i sort of dismissed as Rafa had less time to prep for the final after a gruelling 5 setter and i thought he would put Federer back in his box at IW and i remember sitting there in disbelief as Roger dismantled him.
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You weren't the only one.

But the one that shocked me was the Miami final, because Federer did not like playing Nadal there.
 
Hitman said:
You weren't the only one.

But the one that shocked me was the Miami final, because Federer did not like playing Nadal there.
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That shocked me for different reasons, in that i would have thought Miami would suit Roger much more as Rafa's spin had less effect so wouldnt climb on his BH as much.
Gosh i miss IW-Miami swing when Miami was at Crandon. Loved that part of the season. I feel ill thinking about Miami being at a NFL stadium. If i become a billionaire i am buying Miami and sticking it back at Crandon and redeveloping the site!
 
messiahrobins said:
That shocked me for different reasons, in that i would have thought Miami would suit Roger much more as Rafa's spin had less effect so wouldnt climb on his BH as much.
Gosh i miss IW-Miami swing when Miami was at Crandon. Loved that part of the season. I feel ill thinking about Miami being at a NFL stadium. If i become a billionaire i am buying Miami and sticking it back at Crandon and redeveloping the site!
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I think the event might be leaving Miami for another part of Florida soon. I could be wrong, but I heard it was up for potential sale.
 
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