[Poll]Who among these was the most wasted talent of the last 10 years of tennis?

Who among these was the most wasted talent of the last 10 years of tennis?

  • Dimitrov

    Votes: 9 11.8%
  • Shapovalov

    Votes: 6 7.9%
  • Auger-Aliassime

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Raonic

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Zverev

    Votes: 16 21.1%
  • Kyrgios

    Votes: 37 48.7%
  • Tsitsipas

    Votes: 3 3.9%
  • Korda

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Karatsvev

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bublik

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    76

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
To prevent the situation from degenerating as in another survey, I have put a personal list of names that can range from players who have already achieved a certain important status, to others who have only appeared at the highest levels without entering it, and the reasons of this unexpressed potential can be multiple.
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
For what it's worth Zverev is the best of the bunch but also the first I'd bet on screwing up when trying to close out a match lol...
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
I put Zverev more out of provocation following the general consensus than out of true conviction. The German won Olympic gold in singles, 2 ATP Finals, 6 masters 1000, 22 tournaments overall, best ranking at number 2, two slam finals both lost in the fifth set plus several other semi-finals in the majors. Someone with this CV cannot be called an unexpressed talent, unless someone really thinks that Zverev had and has the potential to be a dominator or so, in this case it borders on the paranormal.

When I read that Zverev is better equipped than a Sinner (yes I read this too) my blood runs cold. Even with the same mental strength, Sinner would be superior to Zverev because he is much more complete as a player.
 

Hood_Man

G.O.A.T.
Tsitsipas with better coaching could have been another Courier and won Australian Open and French Open titles.

He had a wonderful creative spark in his late teens, and rightly he was taught to reign some of that in to improve his consistency, but unfortunately he lost something in his backhand and he didn't seem to work on that.
 
Kyrgios should have dominated wimbledon to a degree. His game was perfect for the surface and conditions. What a blunder that guy was. Djoker shouldn’t have just vultured wimvledon every year in his 30’s
 
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Mark-Touch

Legend
It depends how you define "wasted talent".
Wasted as far as what YOU personally would have liked the player to achieve?

Some special players like say, Kyrgios, might not have been interested in the grind of the tour for 10-20 years.
They also might not have been interested in accumulating a haul of slams.

$12 million in prize money alone, in 10 years of play is nice work if you can get it.

Now that he has begun his lucrative commentating career some could argue that he wasted
10+ good years that he could have been commentating!

It's all relative.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
It depends how you define "wasted talent".
Wasted as far as what YOU personally would have liked the player to achieve?

Some special players like say, Kyrgios, might not have been interested in the grind of the tour for 10-20 years.
They also might not have been interested in accumulating a haul of slams.

$12 million in prize money alone, in 10 years of play is nice work if you can get it.

But is "wasted" talent always based on potential? You can't waste what you don't have.
 

GloW

Professional
I put Zverev more out of provocation following the general consensus than out of true conviction. The German won Olympic gold in singles, 2 ATP Finals, 6 masters 1000, 22 tournaments overall, best ranking at number 2, two slam finals both lost in the fifth set plus several other semi-finals in the majors. Someone with this CV cannot be called an unexpressed talent, unless someone really thinks that Zverev had and has the potential to be a dominator or so, in this case it borders on the paranormal.

When I read that Zverev is better equipped than a Sinner (yes I read this too) my blood runs cold. Even with the same mental strength, Sinner would be superior to Zverev because he is much more complete as a player.
thats the biggest lie I have ever heard. Zverev would slice Sinner in 2 if they had the same mental strength on court.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Kyrgios should have dominated wimbledon to a degree. His game was perfect for the surface and conditions. What a blunder that guy was. Djoker shouldn’t have just vultured wimvledon every year in his 30’s

No no , modern Wimbledon can't be dominated without ground game. All Wimbledon winners in last 20 years have been some of the best baseliners in history.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
No no , modern Wimbledon can't be dominated without ground game. All Wimbledon winners in last 20 years have been some of the best baseliners in history.

Winners...but not finalists. Kevin A and Milos Raonic both made it, as did Kyrgios.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Winners...but not finalists. Kevin A and Milos Raonic both made it, as did Kyrgios.

Kandyman was not a SNV player, he was a baseliner with big serve Kyrgios made due to weakest draw and a walkover. Raomug made a final and got a beating.
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
What is talent? The shotmaking? Ballstriking? Reaction time? Height? Mentality?

Kyrgios had possibly the best serve among the no-too-tall guys and could blast forehands but he was a sluggish mover and subpar returner. Age-wise he was in 2022 in his prime and seemed to work and fight harder than before. I posted his stats before and they were impressive, even if they were pushed by his (smart) tournament selection.

Zverev has some strange technical limitations compared to the elite but would be mightily impressive as a fighter even without diabetes. Arguably he has been relying to much on his legs and too little on his stroke potential over the years.

Discipline and smart work ethic is for me also a big, if different talent.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
thats the biggest lie I have ever heard. Zverev would slice Sinner in 2 if they had the same mental strength on court.
In terms of talent, let's say athletic and tennis, excluding the serve (the second should also be taken into consideration, but this is due to his poor mental stability) exactly where is Zverev more gifted than Sinner?

Return definitely better Sinner.
Forehand let's not even begin the comparison.
Zverev's Backhand is more devastating on a single shot but Sinner maneuvers it much better.
Net play and general skill, neither of them excels in these areas.

Let's move on to physical skills.
Zverev is taller and it is no coincidence that he has a better first.
Mobility, although the German moves divinely due to his height, the Italian moves even better.
Speed, same as above.
Balance, let's not even get started.

In short, apart from the service, can you tell me a single aspect where Zverev can be considered better equipped than Sinner?
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
What is talent? The shotmaking? Ballstriking? Reaction time? Height? Mentality?

Kyrgios had possibly the best serve among the no-too-tall guys and could blast forehands but he was a sluggish mover and subpar returner. Age-wise he was in 2022 in his prime and seemed to work and fight harder than before. I posted his stats before and they were impressive, even if they were pushed by his (smart) tournament selection.

Zverev has some strange technical limitations compared to the elite but would be mightily impressive as a fighter even without diabetes. Arguably he has been relying to much on his legs and too little on his stroke potential over the years.

Discipline and smart work ethic is for me also a big, if different talent.
Excellent question, also because it is true that the head should be part of the talent package. But in these cases let's say that the reasoning we try to make is precisely the same with equal heads, so by talent we mean the combination of tennis fundamentals combined with physical ones.
 
Dimitrov.
Admits it himself that he didn’t work hard enough.
For a guy said to have so much talent in here, Zverev has no touch and creativity.
 

GloW

Professional
In terms of talent, let's say athletic and tennis, excluding the serve (the second should also be taken into consideration, but this is due to his poor mental stability) exactly where is Zverev more gifted than Sinner?

Return definitely better Sinner.
Forehand let's not even begin the comparison.
Zverev's Backhand is more devastating on a single shot but Sinner maneuvers it much better.
Net play and general skill, neither of them excels in these areas.

Let's move on to physical skills.
Zverev is taller and it is no coincidence that he has a better first.
Mobility, although the German moves divinely due to his height, the Italian moves even better.
Speed, same as above.
Balance, let's not even get started.

In short, apart from the service, can you tell me a single aspect where Zverev can be considered better equipped than Sinner?
BH is better, serve is better (would be much better with better mentality. endurance is definetely Zverev depite having DIABETES. The only reason he ever loses is because he chokes. AO: Chokes against Alcaraz and Medvedev FO: chokes against Alcaraz W: Chokes against Fritz. Cincinatti: chokes against Sinner (had like 15 break point chances) USO: Chokes once again, to Fritz. If Zverev had the same mental strength as Sinner he would be unstoppable.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
BH is better, serve is better (would be much better with better mentality. endurance is definetely Zverev depite having DIABETES. The only reason he ever loses is because he chokes. AO: Chokes against Alcaraz and Medvedev FO: chokes against Alcaraz W: Chokes against Fritz. Cincinatti: chokes against Sinner (had like 15 break point chances) USO: Chokes once again, to Fritz. If Zverev had the same mental strength as Sinner he would be unstoppable.
I absolutely disagree with your analysis when you claim that Zverev's backhand is better, for me they are equivalent, as already said, on a single shot Zverev's is more devastating but in the exchange phase Sinner maneuvers him better. Basically there is no parameter to state that the BH of one is superior to the other and vice versa, they are equivalent as they are both elitist in the fundamental in question. Just as I absolutely disagree that Zverev prevails in terms of resistance, perhaps leveraging Sinner's negative record in matches that ended in the fifth set. Let's remember that when Zverev was Sinner's current age before 2020 he had never reached the semi-final in a major, when at the same time he was already standing out in best-of-3 sets tournaments such as the ATP Finals or the Masters 1000.
 

GloW

Professional
I absolutely disagree with your analysis when you claim that Zverev's backhand is better, for me they are equivalent, as already said, on a single shot Zverev's is more devastating but in the exchange phase Sinner maneuvers him better. Basically there is no parameter to state that the BH of one is superior to the other and vice versa, they are equivalent as they are both elitist in the fundamental in question. Just as I absolutely disagree that Zverev prevails in terms of resistance, perhaps leveraging Sinner's negative record in matches that ended in the fifth set. Let's remember that when Zverev was Sinner's current age before 2020 he had never reached the semi-final in a major, when at the same time he was already standing out in best-of-3 sets tournaments such as the ATP Finals or the Masters 1000.
Why do you think he has didn’t reached a semi-final back then? Because he didn’t have the same mentality! If he was impressive in BO3 and not BO5 it means he doesn’t have the mental strength to keep on pushing himself! And saying Sinner has better endurance than Zverev is a joke. He cramps every 5 Seconds. I don’t think Zverev has ever cramped. Zverev has played over 50 matches this year and is still holding strong. Zverev’s backhand is the most beautiful on tour and you can’t help looking at it.
 

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
Why do you think he has didn’t reached a semi-final back then? Because he didn’t have the same mentality! If he was impressive in BO3 and not BO5 it means he doesn’t have the mental strength to keep on pushing himself! And saying Sinner has better endurance than Zverev is a joke. He cramps every 5 Seconds. I don’t think Zverev has ever cramped. Zverev has played over 50 matches this year and is still holding strong. Zverev’s backhand is the most beautiful on tour and you can’t help looking at it.
So we also charge the limit of resistance to the mentality. If you are not mentally solid you pay in important points and moments, it's not like you constantly get eliminated in the best of 5 sets against significantly inferior players as happened to him before 2020, when at the same time he ate those players in the best of 3 sets. On Sinner's resistance, what matters is not the appearance but the substance. He currently rides a seasonal record of 65-6, out of 14 tournaments played he has never done worse than the QF. To maintain such a level of excellence in such a constant way you must necessarily be solid physically too, otherwise these paces are impossible to sustain in the long run. As for the backhand, here too we confuse aesthetics with effectiveness. Data in hand in 2024 Sinner is the most solid player on the circuit in each of the two baseline fundamentals in question, regarding effectiveness. Sinner does what he wants with his backhand and never gets into trouble with anyone on that diagonal.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
How many Slams could any of these players have won? 2 or 3 at best.

Then you have Djokovic who refused to see Western doctors for his respiratory issues early in his career even 2 years after winning his first Slam, put off elbow surgery in 2016-2017 and wasted 1.5 years just after his peak 2 years in tennis, lost a USO as the favorite by getting defaulted with COVID rage, didn’t play two hard court Slams when in fine form due to not taking a vaccine. He seems to have lost a chance to win at least 5 more Slams due to his decisions - maybe more wasted talent or opportunities than all the others.
 

Bill Lobsalot

Hall of Fame
It depends how you define "wasted talent".
Wasted as far as what YOU personally would have liked the player to achieve?

Some special players like say, Kyrgios, might not have been interested in the grind of the tour for 10-20 years.
They also might not have been interested in accumulating a haul of slams.

$12 million in prize money alone, in 10 years of play is nice work if you can get it.

Now that he has begun his lucrative commentating career some could argue that he wasted
10+ good years that he could have been commentating!

It's all relative.
Just as an aside, tennis commentary jobs are not lucrative.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
How many Slams could any of these players have won? 2 or 3 at best.

Then you have Djokovic who refused to see Western doctors for his respiratory issues early in his career even 2 years after winning his first Slam, put off elbow surgery in 2016-2017 and wasted 1.5 years just after his peak 2 years in tennis, lost a USO as the favorite by getting defaulted with COVID rage, didn’t play two hard court Slams when in fine form due to not taking a vaccine. He seems to have lost a chance to win at least 5 more Slams due to his decisions - maybe more wasted talent or opportunities than all the others.

Lol, Djokovic has been coasting since Rafa and Fed have spent less time on court. The guy has had ample opportunity to win majors and I have zero pity for the mishaps.

Sometimes you are lucky (no injuries, easy draw) and sometimes you are unlucky (COVID, illness). Novak has had more good luck than bad.
 

AmericanTwist

Professional
I would agree with adding Monfils to this list. He needs to change his strategy and play first strike tennis. He is clearly not getting any younger. I am a fan, however.
 
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