[Poll] Who was the best athlete in the history of tennis?

[Razer]

We are probably talking about the fastest player ever seen in tennis, one who bases much of his qualitatively modest game on his surreal dynamism.

Not "We", say "I"

You have not seen Monfils, Nadal, Chang and many players at their peak, all of them were faster than De Minaur. Heck even Murray and Djokovic were super fast at their peaks, Dimitrov, Fognini...so many ppl at their best were like Alex, it is recency bias which makes him look so fast.

it's another thing to say that putting De Minaur among the candidates is a joke. The joke is your theses.

De Minaur surely is a joke, he is not even a great tennis player and as somebody said above if you are an exceptional athlete then somewhere it will show in your tennis too. Alex has won what ?

inserting someone like De Minaur is a joke, it is equivalent to not understanding anything about talents. athletic.

Inserting De Minaur in a poll for best athletes in last 10 years is ok, but best in history? Definetly a joke. Have you seen how fast Michael chang or Nadal or Monfils were? De Minaur is slower than them but I dont see you rate chang in the poll, but you are writing stories of de minaur ? Nonsense...

 

[Winner Sinner]

At least I can invoke the consensus of others, you cannot even do that. Nobody agrees with you and we live in a society where consensus is what matters. Anything which is a weird opinion without a consensus is almost always BS unless you are galileo living the times when everybody opposed your science, clearly not the case. Your point on De Minaur has been rejected by everyone, that is good enough for me. Accept it that Sampras should be there an De Manure should not be there in an all time poll for athleticism. Your opinion is not shared by anyone, so eat humble pie on this.

And in any case, genius, you see that two people voted for him, I'll also put my vote in there (so they become 2+1) just to make you understand that I'm not in those two. So when you talk about unanimous consensus or no consensus this is delusional. The fact that you have to rely on the consensus of others is precisely synonymous with argumentative weakness, and you embody it perfectly.

 

[Razer]

And in any case, genius, you see that two people voted for him, I'll also put my vote in there (so they become 2+1) just to make you understand that I'm not in those two. So when you talk about unanimous consensus or no consensus this is delusional. The fact that you have to rely on the consensus of others is precisely synonymous with argumentative weakness, and you embody it perfectly.

How do I know that you have not voted with some burner accounts ? The votes are all hidden, so pointless to judge by votes. Show me 1 longtime poster in the forum who will agree that Sampras+Chang excluded in a poll where De Minaur included is legit ? You will struggle to find.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Not "We", say "I"

You have not seen Monfils, Nadal, Chang and many players at their peak, all of them were faster than De Minaur. Heck even Murray and Djokovic were super fast at their peaks, Dimitrov, Fognini...so many ppl at their best were like Alex, it is recency bias which makes him look so fast.


De Minaur surely is a joke, he is not even a great tennis player and as somebody said above if you are an exceptional athlete then somewhere it will show in your tennis too. Alex has won what ?



Inserting De Minaur in a poll for best athletes in last 10 years is ok, but best in history? Definetly a joke. Have you seen how fast Michael chang or Nadal or Monfils were? De Minaur is slower than them but I dont see you rate chang in the poll, but you are writing stories of de minaur ? Nonsense...

And Monfils, who is a great athlete, what exactly has he won in his career?
See you contradict yourself. Then I repeat that the ones you mentioned are faster than De Minaur is your opinion which you must not pass off as absolute truth on the basis of cosmic nothingness.
Fognini faster than De Minaur?
LOL

 

[Razer]

Monfils can jump higher than de minaur ever can, monfils reaches balls faster than de minaur, monfils changes angles and directions far better than de minaur..... de minaur is nothing

You dont need monfils to win slams to notice he is great, but de minaur has not shown anything exceptional athletically so where are his medals and trophies?

 

[Winner Sinner]

How do I know that you have not voted with some burner accounts ? The votes are all hidden, so pointless to judge by votes. Show me 1 longtime poster in the forum who will agree that Sampras+Chang excluded in a poll where De Minaur included is legit ? You will struggle to find.

But what a double account, but be serious, I don't care about trying to convince a know-it-all like you. Imagine if I started creating two accounts for such an embarrassing discussion in which right from the start someone (you) who allows himself to call others arrogant presented himself with the arrogance of someone who thinks he knows everything when in reality he doesn't. he knows nothing, and then he even forces himself perhaps with the consent of other users, and but here the cheap conspiracy theory doesn't apply.

 

[Razer]

But what a double account, but be serious, I don't care about trying to convince a know-it-all like you. Imagine if I started creating two accounts for such an embarrassing discussion in which right from the start someone (you) who allows himself to call others arrogant presented himself with the arrogance of someone who thinks he knows everything when in reality he doesn't. he knows nothing, and then he even forces himself perhaps with the consent of other users, and but here the cheap conspiracy theory doesn't apply.

You are the one who suggested counting votes as a proof to people endorsing ADM, I just busted it by pointing out that you cannot because votes are hidden.

In any case, the bottomline is athleticism in Tennis is determined by how quick you are and what you do with that quickness, that means not just reaching balls quickly, you need to play strokes too which show how great an athlete you are. Sampras is 10 times better than De Minaur in all this, you should be knowing better than to call Alex better than Sampras. Can Alex even jump as high as Sampras ? I'll you Monfils can jump like that, Alex cannot, thats where both Monfils and Sampras are ahead of De Manure. Where is De Minaur's athleticism on display???? Nobody can see it, he runs fast but so many players, big deal ??

 

[Razer]

Sampras's running forehand is a testimony of his supreme athleticism, you don't even find Federer or Djokovic that good in thos shots, so how dare you put De Minaur in the poll and exclude Sampras?

lol

Anyway, nothing more to say, bye, enough has been said on this thread.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Monfils can jump higher than de minaur ever can, monfils reaches balls faster than de minaur, monfils changes angles and directions far better than de minaur..... de minaur is nothing

You dont need monfils to win slams to notice he is great, but de minaur has not shown anything exceptional athletically so where are his medals and trophies?

You are constantly contradicting yourself, first you say that athletic skills must be demonstrated with results and then when the Monfils case is brought up to disprove this delusional thesis of yours you contradict yourself again.

I have already told you that for a player like De Minaur with such a light ball and such monotonous and low-quality tennis to have reached the top 10 is precisely the demonstration of how much he relies on his great athletic qualities. But there is no worse deaf person than someone who doesn't want to hear. I repeat, watch that video instead of standing here squawking, only by doing so perhaps, and I underline perhaps, will you realize that defining De Minaur's candidacy as a joke in the survey is not in the slightest capable of evaluating the meaning of an athlete.

 

[Indeedy71]

Early years Nadal, later years Djokovic.

Absolutely this - which is why the answer for tennis is Djokovic, because in tennis consistency over time is more important than peak

 

[JasonZ]

djokovics is not good at jumping when doing a smash, so here his athletics are not good.

 

[messiahrobins]

I think it was Nadal, a force of nature at its peak. But at the same time there are many other candidates who can compete, obviously always parameterized to their own eras given that a Borg was the precursor of the great athletes who lent themselves to tennis.

ESPN did a poll on this. Nadal beat Bolt they were the top two.

 

[buscemi]

So I tell you, look at the video I posted on De Minaur, and while you're at it, also take a look at the comments. Because the thing I object to you is precisely that of thinking that in a survey including some candidates in the question of who was the best athlete in the history of tennis, inserting someone like De Minaur is a joke, it is equivalent to not understanding anything about talents. athletic. It's one thing to say there should have been Sampras in his place, it's another thing to say that putting De Minaur among the candidates is a joke. The joke is your theses.

How do you respond to the endurance knock against de Minaur? You listed three things in support of him: "mobility, speed and endurance." As I've noted, de Minaur has a 3-6 record in five set matches, has lost 3 straight five setters (6-0 in the fifth set at his home Major in his last five set match), and hasn't won a five setter in over 4 years.

This would seem to be a huge knock against him in comparison to great five set players like Borg and Djokovic and even in comparison to maybe his best comp in Chang (22-15 in five set matches).

 

[Winner Sinner]

How do you respond to the endurance knock against de Minaur? You listed three things in support of him: "mobility, speed and endurance." As I've noted, de Minaur had a 3-6 record in five set matches, has lost 3 straight five setters (6-0 in the fifth set at his home Major in his last five set match), and hasn't won a five setter in over 4 years.

This would seem to be a huge knock against him in comparison to great five set players like Borg and Djokovic and even in comparison to maybe his best comp in Chang (22-15 in five set matches).

I reply that his game is very expensive given that he essentially lives on his opponents' mistakes as he doesn't have the shots to hurt.

And in any case the records in matches closed in decisive sets must be put into context. What is Medvedev's record in matches ending in the fifth set?
I think it's bad, so the Russian also has no resistance?

 

[Rattler]

Le Monf….and its not even close

 

[buscemi]

I reply that his game is very expensive given that he essentially lives on his opponents' mistakes as he doesn't have the shots to hurt.

And in any case the records in matches closed in decisive sets must be put into context.

de Minaur's last 3 five set matches were:

-Rublev at the AO: lost 6-0 in the fifth set;​

-Garin at Wimbledon: lost from up 2-0 in sets;​

-Gaston at the French Open: lost after winning the fourth set 6-0​

I would say all three matches speak to his lack of great endurance, and he was a heavy favorite in the Garin and Gaston matches.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Wait... how TF is Borg not in the poll? Is this a joke?

 

[Midaso240]

Absolutely Nadal if you're just going on these players in their primes

 

[fedfan24]

Young dal.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

How do I know that you have not voted with some burner accounts ? The votes are all hidden, so pointless to judge by votes. Show me 1 longtime poster in the forum who will agree that Sampras+Chang excluded in a poll where De Minaur included is legit ? You will struggle to find.

Chang wasn't a great athlete, but he was fast. Sampras wasn't that great at lateral movement.

 

[Razer]

Chang wasn't a great athlete, but he was fast. Sampras wasn't that great at lateral movement.

And Nadal isn't capable of jumping as high as Sampras or Monfils

 

[Olli Jokinen]

And Nadal isn't capable of jumping as high as Sampras or Monfils

Neither was Chang, yet you still want him on the list.

 

[Razer]

Neither was Chang, yet you still want him on the list.

If Deminaur can be then Chang can also be since Chang was faster than de Minaur despite being shorter.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

If Deminaur can be then Chang can also be since Chang was faster than de Minaur despite being shorter.

Chang was fast, but he wasn't faster than de Minaur. He was a better tennis player, though. However, I don't think de Minaur should be in the poll either, and no way Becker.
Edberg, Borg and probably Murray belong in the poll. Hewitt? Nah.

 

[tennis3]

Le Monf….and its not even close

If the question is "best athlete", it's Monfils by miles.

Otherwise I'd say Serena. Relative to her competition, it was like a man playing against women. And I mean that in the best way possible.

 

[Grafil Injection]

Lottie Dod must have a shout: 5 x Wimbledon (still the youngest at 15), British Women's Golf champion, England hockey team player, Olympic silver medal for archery. Damn fine skier and rower.

 

[jaredk]

Pure athleticism I probably go for Monfils. Like if you put all of them in their prime in a contest of athletics like the Olympic decathlon. Monfils probably go on on top of the pack.