Polling Peakovic

Do you think Djokovic makes the top 3 in OE by peak level at any of the six biggest events bar AO?

  • Yes, I do

    Votes: 27 57.4%

  • No, I don't

    Votes: 11 23.4%

  • Can't decide

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .
Sunny014 said:
Bezos is not a tennis player and neither did he make his money from Tennis.
Bezos never held the grand slam record for 11 years and was never the GOAT

So such a guy is not in conversation, let him win 20 slams and make a billion+ from tennis and then we shall add him too :p
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No sh*t, just to show that your point is weird if you are not trolling , how Federer having more money has to do with him being superior to Djokodal?
All three are rich as hell btw
 
swordtennis said:
Also the weak era started again.
Still remember the weak era ended soon after Djokovic was injured in 2016.
Scarecly a mention of it when fedal were racking em up.
Then starting around July 2018 or so it was back for some odd reason.
For the life of me never can figure out what triggers the "weak era".
wink wink;)
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Totally right. They forget to mention that Fed and Rafa had a resurgence which was helped with djoko being out the picture with injury.

Complete double standards by Fedal fans. This double career slam really stings them though as they know deep their idols are unlikely to match djoko in this achievement now.
 
Dominic & Andrey said:
No sh*t, just to show that your point is weird if you are not trolling , how Federer having more money has to do with him being superior to Djokodal?
All three are rich as hell btw
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Yes, money matters in the GOAT debate too, I will explain why.

Federer is a bigger brand than Nadal + Djokovic combined.

Reason ? He is marketable
Reason for being the most marketable ? He has the most fans
Reason for having the most fans ? More people believe he is the best, and these same people have see Djokovic+Nadal too as their career spans was engulfed by Federer's but neither of them could become bigger than him because audience never considered them ahead.

Thats why brand matters in GOAT debate too ..... Being the greatest ambassador of the sport makes you ranked 1

Federer having more money (from tennis) means he is the Michael Jordan of this sport :cool:
 
These players play for the fans, not for the records books of some statistician.

If more fans don't consider you the GOAT then all these records are not enough.

There is an old saying " Every great player has records but everyone who has records is not great "
 
swordtennis said:
Not really not even close to the scale during anytime Djokovic wins a major.
Cmon man.
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I just remember it being mentioned a lot at the time both on and off this place. Probably not the same amount as this recent Djokovic win which was really personally effected people a lot tbh more than i expected.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Totally right. They forget to mention that Fed and Rafa had a resurgence which was helped with djoko being out the picture with injury.

Complete double standards by Fedal fans. This double career slam really stings them though as they know deep their idols are unlikely to match djoko in this achievement now.
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Absolutely.
Got to watch out for them too with the gaslighting and projection.
You will be walking on egg shells if you are not careful.
Crazy making behavior
We have witnessed an amazing achievement this past weekend with the DCGS and defeating Nadal and then able to win the final and it seems it is just Federer ballz swinging here.
Personally I am ready for Fedal to head into retirement permanently.
I just want Djokovic fending off the tour until they take him down.
Clean up the sport.
Fingers crossed Nadal or Djokovic break 20 and we can stop talking about the slam race forever.
 
RS said:
I just remember it being mentioned a lot at the time both on and off this place. Probably not the same amount as this recent Djokovic win which was really personally effected people a lot tbh more than i expected.
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I had to leave this place numerous times due to the brain deadening mind numbing hypocrisy.
2017.
After 3 years of "weak era" and "mugs" it was like a crickets chirping.
 
Please think logically for a second guys, why did Federer become the biggest brand?

He vanquished his own gen and the ones before it, everyone was amazed at his game and began worshipping him.

Djokovic at his peak failed to dominate with such power winning back to back, also the crowd saw Federer put on spirited performances in his 30s, so the audiences' belief that Fed is the GOAT remained intact and hence he remained the biggest brand.

If Djokovic is to actually become the slams leader (he will) then he should become the bigger brand than Federer if public believes in him being the best... .. it will only then that he shall be the GOAT.

Being the bigger brand is important, a bigger fanbase is must.

Players play for the people so being the people's champion is necessary, if you played for record books via some ugly unattractive Tennis and did not get enough fans then it is your loss.
 
Sunny014 said:
Yes, money matters in the GOAT debate too, I will explain why.

Federer is a bigger brand than Nadal + Djokovic combined.

Reason ? He is marketable
Reason for being the most marketable ? He has the most fans
Reason for having the most fans ? More people believe he is the best, and these same people have see Djokovic+Nadal too as their career spans was engulfed by Federer's but neither of them could become bigger than him because audience never considered them ahead.

Thats why brand matters in GOAT debate too ..... Being the greatest ambassador of the sport makes you ranked 1

Federer having more money (from tennis) means he is the Michael Jordan of this sport :cool:
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To me we can make a difference between the most iconic and greatest ever though
 
Dominic & Andrey said:
To me we can make a difference between the most iconic and greatest ever though
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Borg was most iconic in his time because he was the best
Laver before him must also have been the best
Biggest ambassadors are often the top guys too or else the sport won't expand.

Even Sampras is worth more than Agassi in money, audience is never wrong Sir.
 
Sunny014 said:
In the 1995 Aus Open Final Sampras hit 28 aces past Agassi and still Agassi won in 4 sets.... GOAT ? :happydevil:
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Agassi is the 2nd best peak at AO but Djokovic is without a doubt #1. Winning a match where a player hits 28 aces is not unheard of. Djokovic has done it multiple times.
 
NoleFam said:
Agassi is the 2nd best peak at AO but Djokovic is without a doubt #1. Winning a match where a player hits 28 aces is not unheard of. Djokovic has done it multiple times.
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Novak won all those matches on Grass where it is easier to ace.

On Hard Courts the top 2 matches in a Grand Slam final where opponent hit maximum aces against you and still lost belongs to Agassi.

Sampras hit 28 aces vs him in the 95 AO Final and still lost vs Agassi.
Todd Martin hit 23 aces in the 99 USO Final and still lost vs Agassi.

On Grass the top match in a Grand Slam final where opponent hit the maximum aces against you and still lost also belongs to Agassi.

Goran Ivanisevic hit 37 aces in the 1992 Wimbledon final and still lost vs Agassi.

So Peak Agassi > Peak Djokovic against the big servers :-D
 
Sunny014 said:
Novak won all those matches on Grass where it is easier to ace.

On Hard Courts the top 2 matches in a Grand Slam final where opponent hit maximum aces against you and still lost belongs to Agassi.

Sampras hit 28 aces vs him in the 95 AO Final and still lost vs Agassi.
Todd Martin hit 23 aces in the 99 USO Final and still lost vs Agassi.

On Grass the top match in a Grand Slam final where opponent hit the maximum aces against you and still lost also belongs to Agassi.

Goran Ivanisevic hit 37 aces in the 1992 Wimbledon final and still lost vs Agassi.
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Agassi is also easier to ace. His ace against percentage for his career is 9.67% which isn't that good. Djokovic's is 6.36%. Agassi is 5'10 and not that good at 1st serve returning but was very good on the 2nd serve return. A lot of those serves wouldn't even have been aces against Djokovic and would have been returned.
 
Sampras hit 37 aces past Agassi in the 2000 AO Semi Final and still lost the match, highest in a hard courts grand slam semi final.
 
NoleFam said:
Agassi is also easier to ace. His ace against percentage for his career is 9.67% which isn't that good. Djokovic's is 6.36%. Agassi is 5'10 and not that good at 1st serve returning but was very good on the 2nd serve return. A lot of those serves wouldn't even have been aces against Djokovic and would have been returned.
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So despite his small height and being aced a lot he was so good at defense, isn't that admirable?

Federer is the toughest to ace if that percentage is so important.
Federer's percentage is around 5.8%
 
Sunny014 said:
So despite his small height and being aced a lot he was so good at defense, isn't that admirable?

Federer is the toughest to ace if that percentage is so important.
Federer's percentage is around 5.8%
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He wasn't as good at defense, well not in comparison with somebody like Djokovic or Murray on hardcourt. Agassi was the type to pull the trigger early and more known for his offense. He wasn't the type to be able to turn from defense to offense as well somebody like Djokovic.

Yea it's harder to ace Federer but he's not as good as Djokovic in winning 1st serve return points. 33.77% versus 32.38%
 
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