Poly cross to go with prince premier attack mains?

[nightfire700]

Anybody tried a poly cross with Prince Premier attack mains? If yes, whats your setup and how does it play compared to a full bed of PPA?

 

[anubis]

Anybody tried a poly cross with Prince Premier attack mains? If yes, whats your setup and how does it play compared to a full bed of PPA?

I don't see the point. The mains dictate the behavior of the stringbed. So, if you want PPA in the mains (because you want more power and a softer stringbed, right??), then you might as well stick PPA in the crosses too.

There's no benefit to putting nylon strings in the mains with poly in the crosses. You get little to no "snap-back" with nylon strings, so it doesn't matter how well they slide over the crosses. It's just a waste of a cross string.

However, if you were trying to cut costs by putting a premium multi in the mains and a cheap string in the cross, then just put Gosen OGSM in the cross. You'll cut your string job costs in half.

If you like PPA, then in my experience it plays best as a full bed.

 

[Irvin]

I string for a guy that likes Prince Premier w/Softflex 16 mains and Gamma RZR Rx 17 crosses and loves it.

 

[nightfire700]

I don't see the point. The mains dictate the behavior of the stringbed. So, if you want PPA in the mains (because you want more power and a softer stringbed, right??), then you might as well stick PPA in the crosses too.

There's no benefit to putting nylon strings in the mains with poly in the crosses. You get little to no "snap-back" with nylon strings, so it doesn't matter how well they slide over the crosses. It's just a waste of a cross string.

However, if you were trying to cut costs by putting a premium multi in the mains and a cheap string in the cross, then just put Gosen OGSM in the cross. You'll cut your string job costs in half.

If you like PPA, then in my experience it plays best as a full bed.

The requirement is to tame the power of the multi without excessively changing the feel and playability. Game is oriented around hitting flat instead of excessive top spin. I was expecting that doing a PPA mains with a soft smooth poly cross will give some control and a bit of spin without changing the overall feel.

 

[anubis]

The requirement is to tame the power of the multi without excessively changing the feel and playability. Game is oriented around hitting flat instead of excessive top spin. I was expecting that doing a PPA mains with a soft smooth poly cross will give some control and a bit of spin without changing the overall feel.

If that's what you want, then the best way to achieve that goal is a full bed of PPA at 62 to 65 lbs.

You will get much better accuracy and flatter shots that way. Putting poly in the crosses isn't going to help you much, in that situation.

 

[Lukhas]

The requirement is to tame the power of the multi without excessively changing the feel and playability. Game is oriented around hitting flat instead of excessive top spin. I was expecting that doing a PPA mains with a soft smooth poly cross will give some control and a bit of spin without changing the overall feel.

You can just put PPA in the crosses if that's the point. Plus multi crosses will be less fragile than multi mains.

 

[Ramon]

I've tried these type of setups before. For most players 4.0 and above, it would last less than 5 hours. The poly crosses cut through the mains very quickly. PPA plays very nicely and lasts a long time as a full bed. I think if PPA is strung tight enough very few people would complain about too much power and not enough control.

 

[eelhc]

Anybody tried a poly cross with Prince Premier attack mains? If yes, whats your setup and how does it play compared to a full bed of PPA?

While I don't have a stock of PPA. I just recently strung up a frame with multi mains (Head Rip Control 17) and Poly Crosses (Isospeed Baseline Spin + Speed 17). Same idea... I wanted a smooth soft poly so the Rip Control would snap back without resistance.

Durability may be a concern with a multi main poly cross setup but I'm not a stringbreaker so we'll see...

The Isospeed Poly is very soft and cheap...

 

[nightfire700]

Since most of the responses suggested using poly in mains and PPA in cross, any recommendations on a poly that works well with PPA and is soft on the arm as well.

 

[Lukhas]

^Pre-packaged hybrid with Prince Beast XP. The name is Beast Attack. You could try Tour Bite Soft, but I never used it in a hybrid.

 

[anubis]

Since most of the responses suggested using poly in mains and PPA in cross, any recommendations on a poly that works well with PPA and is soft on the arm as well.

You want a smooth, slick poly so that it slides well over the crosses. That's the whole point of using poly: to take advantage of the snap back. Obviously, two very slick and smooth poly strings will slide the best, but if you must use nylon in the crosses, then make sure both strings are as smooth as possible.

Luckily, PPA is quite smooth, so it is a good base to support a polyester string.

Rougher nylon strings such as Technifibre X-1 Biphase act as brakes: they pin the main strings in place and don't allow for movement.

Good, smooth slick polys for mains would be:

1. Kirschbaum Pro Line II (my current favorite)
2. Solinco Outlast (my second favorite)
3. Isospeed Pulse
4. Tourna Big Hitter Silver

I recommend a tension of 52 lbs in mains, 56 in crosses.

 

[nightfire700]

Any feedback on Head Sonic Pro/Topspin CyberFlash/Topspin CyberBlue/Beast XP/RPM Blast/Gosen Polylon/Tecnifibre Polyspin in mains and PPA in cross?

PPA is 17g and I assume poly mains should be 17g or thinner.

 

[g4driver]

The requirement is to tame the power of the multi without excessively changing the feel and playability. Game is oriented around hitting flat instead of excessive top spin. I was expecting that doing a PPA mains with a soft smooth poly cross will give some control and a bit of spin without changing the overall feel.

nightfire,

I've used Weiss Cannon Black5Edge (B5E) / X-1 Bi-Phase 16g for 3.5 years in a Wilson Pro Open. I snap the crosses in about 13-18 sets depending on if I am playing more singles or doubles. The B5E (isn't a smooth poly) saws through the crosses. The more doubles I play, the longer the strings last since the points end quicker in doubles most often and I hit fewer balls. I have a natural flat swing, but can and do hit topspin easily with my forehand. The B5E/X1 setup worked great for me for 3.5 years. I had the best year of my tennis life.

I'm still using the Pro Open and this setup mostly for doubles, as I tend to use my Steam 99S in singles with full poly, as multi hybrids don't work in the 99S. I've also B5E/PPA, B5E/NRG2, B5E/multifeel, B5E/NVY. X1 works best in that setup for me, but I buy by the reel and use 16.5' for my crosses in the 100 square inch Pro Open.

Since most of the responses suggested using poly in mains and PPA in cross, any recommendations on a poly that works well with PPA and is soft on the arm as well.

B5E 55 lbs / X1 57 lbs was my standard setup. If I were doing a full bed of anything the crosses would be 2-3 lbs less, but since I was using poly mains, and multi crosses, I increase the crosses 2 lbs on the multi. If you decide to try a PPA mains and smooth co-poly (other have done this and there is a thread about it on here), try the PPA about 4 lbs higher than the poly crosses.

Try these setups:

a) WC B5E 55 / PPA 57
b) PPA 57 / Yonex Poly Pro Tour 125 (YPPT) 53
c) YPPT 55 / PPA 57

Basically you are flipping strings in b&c. Don't expect any poly / multi combo to give you snapback like a full poly does. The B5E/X1 or B5E/PPA doesn't move much at all, but the control I have with this setup makes up for a lack of spin in doubles.

Just experiment. You will find something that suits your game.

 

[anubis]

Oh, and lately i've been using a full bed of Prince Premier Control (same as PPA) @ 62 lbs and have noticed no loss of spin or control. If I feel like it's a tad too powerful, I go up to 64 lbs.

Plus, its so much more comfortable, and lasts longer than two or three matches.

 

[Muppet]

Any feedback on Head Sonic Pro/Topspin CyberFlash/Topspin CyberBlue/Beast XP/RPM Blast/Gosen Polylon/Tecnifibre Polyspin in mains and PPA in cross?

PPA is 17g and I assume poly mains should be 17g or thinner.

Cyberflash performed very well as a main string, but the velvety, dead feel would wear my wrist and shoulder out after 1.5 hours. And once I injured my wrist on a volley, which surprised me.

Cyber Blue 1.20 was very nice as a full bed. I tried the 1.25 as a hybrid main and it didn't play high shots well. High volleys and overheads were consistently going long.

I experienced the same thing with Iontec Salmon 1.25 when I used it for a main string. Same type of string. I'd like to try the Iontec 1.25 in a full bed. It's nice and soft for a poly.

 

[mrmike]

I had issues with PPA 16 being too powerful also, so I just tried a combo of PPA 16 black mains with black widow 17 crosses at 55/51. This really does tame down the power and allow some extra spin. Its a good setup for me since I have tried fully poly, and a poly mains hybrid and neither felt right to me. After I finish up with this setup, I bought a couple of sets of the new Tourna black zone 17 which probably makes more sense for a multi/poly hybrid. Will be interesting to see how long it takes the shaped black widow to cut through the PPA.

 

[MachiA.]

With syn gut/poly i have had a higher launch angle, very soft feel, and more spin.


KR

 

[bad_call]

PPA in the crosses should last a bit longer in a poly/PPA hybrid. PPA is on my short list of crosses with poly mains. currently using Scorpion/PPA. B5E/PPA up next.

 

[KaiserW]

I used PPC in full bed for the first time last week. It was a bit too powerful for my taste. I am going to give it another try maybe I just need to get used to it. I was hitting some precision shots but felt I was hitting long more than usual.

 

[mrmike]

I used PPC in full bed for the first time last week. It was a bit too powerful for my taste. I am going to give it another try maybe I just need to get used to it. I was hitting some precision shots but felt I was hitting long more than usual.

Yep, exact same problem I had. Try PPC mains and poly crosses. Don't be afraid to drop the tension on the PPC. I went from a full bed @ 60lbs to multi / poly hybrid @ 55/51. The control improved by a lot by doing this.