Poly String and Tennis Elbow

kennydoe

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Hi All

Forgive me if this has been discussed to death here.

I had been using Prince Topspin for a couple of years until last Summer, when I switched to poly. I tried a few - Hollowcore, sonic pro, luxilon M2 - and during this time i developed elbow issues. I switched to a hybrid of poly and syn, but it didn't help.

My stringer told me that poly string doesn't absorb the shock as well as synthetic, and warned that this could happen.

I didn't understand how the pros, who play a lot more than i do, were able to avoid injury, but I needed to worry about myself, obviously.

I switched racquets from my old Wilson nPro Open to the new Prince Exo3 Black in the spring, and have always strung it with Prince Syn at 56. my elbow problems disappeared and I played a LOT this Summer without any elbow issues.

I popped a string on my Exo3 yesterday - it was the beginning of two matches I played yesterday (one single and one doubles), and I never bought a second, so I was stuck playing most of the day with my old nPro open with hybrid strings.

Today my elbow is hurting...even after only a few hours on the Poly.

Obviously I'm not going to use poly anymore, but how is it that so many people are able to use poly string without a problem when i can't even play for a couple of hours with it?
 
Could be a technique issue. Pros hit the sweetspot so often they will not have the same injuries as us non-pros. Even so, shock is still greater using a string like poly, even in hybrid setups. Stick with your syn gut or even try some multifilament strings for better comfort.
 
I'm happy with the synthetic - I don't think that poly is going to make a tremendous difference in my game (other than hampering my ability to play with elbow issues).

I was just curious to know how the ret of you 'mere mortals' that aren't on the tour are dealing with this issue.
 
btw, I'm open to ideas for string that might get me more power without switching to poly. I've never really gotten too involved with the science of strings and stringing. I just like to play :)
 
It just does not work for some people. Fortunately there are plenty of soft strings and rackets out there that you can use.
 
btw, I'm open to ideas for string that might get me more power without switching to poly. I've never really gotten too involved with the science of strings and stringing. I just like to play :)


Multifilament strings and natural gut are very powerful strings. There are a ton of them out there. I'm using Maxim Touch 17g but I'm thinking about trying out some other multis to see if I can find one with a little bit less power.
 
I've been playing since spring 2004.

Thank you for the response.

Several different factors can contribute to the development of tennis elbow (TE), and it usually comes in some combination. Let me give you some of these factors.

1. OVERUSE
Some medical websites report that the majority of TE sufferers are not even tennis players. Anyone who stresses his/her arm repetitively in a certain pattern (e.g., musicians, mountain bikers, construction workers, etc) is at risk. The body has a capacity to heal itself, but if the rate of compounded micro-injuries from overuse exceeds the rate of recovery (which obviously depends on your genetics, age, conditioning, etc), then you end up with a problem. Tip: Body needs rest in order to recover properly.

2. SHOCK
Whether it be someone who repeatedly uses a hammer, power drill, grip handle bars of a motorcycle, or a tennis racquet, another factor that contributes significantly to TE is the amount of shock your arm must absorb. So do all you can to reduce the shock. There are 2 ways of dealing with shock.

2A. Equipment
You need to start investing in equipment that can absorb more shock so that there will be less left for your arm to absorb. You definitely want to pay attention to the following 3 factors: (i) mass, (ii) stiffness, and (iii) miscellaneous shock absorbing technologies.

(i) Mass: For your racquet, the higher the mass, the higher the shock absorption. Obviously you don't want to swing a racquet that is too heavy for you to handle, as this can also cause injuries. So you need to start experimenting and go only as heavy as you can comfortably handle it for the duration you play. As a rule of thumb, you would want to go more headlight in balance as you raise the mass of the frame, as it would allow you a greater maneuverability.

(ii) Stiffness: This applies to both the racquet and the string. First, let's talk about your string. Polys are usually much stiffer than synthetic guts, so it would transmit more shock down the frame. Whatever amount of shock your racquet does not absorb has to be absorbed by your hand, which goes down to your wrist, elbow, etc. So invest in a string that is low in stiffness. If you can afford it, by all means go with natural gut.

Related to stiffness is tension, the higher the tension, stiffer the string. Therefore, you want to go as low as you can afford to play. One great thing about natural gut is that even at a high tension, it is still soft and will absorb most of the shock for you.

Another thing to look out for with regard to the stiffness of your string is its elasticity. Polys lose what little elasticity it has incredibly fast, so we all talk about how the poly goes dead within a few hours. So although the poly loses a staggering amount of tension by the time it is dead, it does not give us the benefit of low tension, meaning there is so little energy returned to the ball, you have to work that much harder. Whatever the science behind this phenomenon, you just need to get your racquet restrung more often. And here is another area where natural gut shines. Natural gut retains its elasticity and plays great and soft until it snaps.

Now, of course the frame. The stiffer the frame, the less shock it can absorb, which means your arm has to take the blunt of it. So don't go with racquets with stiffness/flex rating of 70 or above. While there is no magic number, the rule of thumb is the lower the better for the arm. So find a frame that you can play with that gives you enough flex to be nice to your arm.

(iii) There are certain technologies that can absorb more shock from the frame so as to protect your arm.

The easiest way would be to add a more shock-absorbent grip. A simple way to do this would be to add an additional layer of overgrip. If this makes the grip too large for you, you can go down a size on the handle and then add more overgrips to build it back up to your regular handle size. There is even an engineering school dissertation that shows the shock absorbing benefit of overgrips.

Another thing you can do is replace the original grip with a more shock absorbing material such as Sorbothane and, believe it or not, Kevlar. These materials are considerably heavier (which no doubt contributes to their shock-absorbing abilities) but well worth the investment.

Another technology worth mentioning is moving particles. The racquetresearch.com, for example, says that perhaps the best way to deal with shock and vibration is to put a small sandbag or bag of shots inside the racquet handle. This, of course, will add weight to your frame as well. If you do not want to go into backyard engineering, there is the Kinetic Technology developed by ProKennex, which is similar to having a "sandbag" inside the head of the frame. Most people who have used ProKennex's Kinetic or Ionic series would testify to the arm-friendliness of those frames.

There are other technologies that try to combat shock, but I have not tried them, so I can't comment on them, but you can look into frame technologies, such as Wilson's Triad and Dunlop's ISIS, handle technologies, such as Volkl's, etc. Some posters here also fill the hollow of the handle with foam, silicone, etc. All right, moving on....

2B. Technique
Technique is also very important when it comes to dealing with shock. You want the kind of technique that would involve more of your body parts and mass into each shot, so as to prevent the unfortunate situation where one part of your body must absorb most of the shock. So let's talk about a "faulty" one-handed backhand. If you try to arm your one-handed backhand or lead with your elbow, your elbow joint will have to take the blunt of the shock, whereas if you keep it straight and keep the proper mechanic, the shock will be distributed more evenly among different parts of your body, which would result in less damage and faster healing. If you go with a 2 hander, I suppose it would be even more effective in that area.

Technique is also important in that you want to be hitting the sweet spot most of the time. If not, there will be a whole lot more shock traveling down your arm. So you want to make sure you are not shaking your head, jumping erratically or doing things that would cause you to miss the sweet spot.

You also don't want to be squeezing the handle too tightly. Think about it. If you were to completely let go of your racquet the moment you were about to hit the ball, you will have zero shock transmitted to your arm. Likewise, the looser the grip, less surface area of contact between the handle and your hand, so less shock. The more tightly you grip the handle, the more shock you will have to absorb and of course, the more tiring your arm will get from all that squeezing. So try to relax that grip.

I stated above that TE is usually a result of some combination of these factors. For example, a player with moderately faulty strokes could possibly avoid TE for a long time by either using a relatively arm-friendly equipment setup or getting enough rest in between hitting sessions. But the same person could develop TE if he switches to a less arm-friendly setup or somehow age catches up to him and denies him of the same recovery rate.

But even if you have the mechanically perfect stroke, you can get TE simply by overuse. Whenever the combined damage inflicted is greater than your body's ability to heal itself, you will end up with an injury. Sometimes, an acute injury from a fall or some sports injury, when followed by repetitive stress from tennis can also lead to something like TE.

Now to the question of why the pros can use polys and not have TE.
(1) Pros have great techniques: They hit the sweet spot a lot more than we do and use the entire body rather than arming the ball.
(2) Pros have superior conditioning: They don't just play tennis. Their coaches make sure they do preventive exercises to correct muscle imbalance. Many top players also have accompanying physios to constantly treat them. Not only that, they have been playing from their early childhood, so their muscles, tendons, and everything have had the proper time and training to get used to the daily grinds of tennis.
(3) Pros tend to use more shock-absorbing equipment: Their racquets have more mass, and their strings are always fresh (Some of us use the same string for months. Pros replace them every few games).
(4) Pros tend to be young, therefore their bodies heal themselves much quicker. But take heart, tennis pros are considered old and can't compete anymore toward their late 20's.
(5) Lastly but perhaps most importantly, pros are not immune to TE. Players like John McEnroe, Pat Cash, Arnaud Clement, Robby Ginepri, Guillermo Coria, Juan Martin del Potro, Jill Craybas, etc, have all suffered arm injuries and have been spotted with arm bands or tapes around the forearm, although they don't usually come out and specify what kind of arm injury. Then you look at how many players have suffered wrist injuries and shoulder injuries, from Agassi to Sharapova.

It is absolutely baffling to me how some posters here think that only the TE is technique-related while wrist injuries and shoulder injuries are not, especially when so many TE sufferers have never even played tennis.

At any rate, this is just my personal take on it. If it be of any benefit to you, great! But do go see a sports-medicine doctor. I wish you the best.
 
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^^^Very well said and covers all possibilities.

Should be a sticky with that explanation. Thanks for writing that out.
 
WOW....thanks for that lengthy reply. Not sure if you did that just for me, but it was very thorough for sure.

Without over-simplilfying, TE came almost immediately after switching to poly. I'd been using that racquet for a couple of years without issue prior to that.

I switched to the EXO3 which is marginally heavier - about 1/2 an ounce - and back to syn gut at the same time. your remarks about racquet weight definitely holds true in that area.

The reason I blame the string, rather than the racquet is because i was using the Wilson for a couple of years without issue.

After playing with it yesterday, I realized that the Prince has a LOT more power (which I need) and better spin (which i also need). I was frustrated that I was struggling to get power on my groundstrokes - it hit me in the third hour that it might be the racquet (i'm not too bright :???:)

As for stiffness, I have no idea. I suppose there's an index somewhere that shows a difference. Really, all i care about is that i can hit the ball well and not be in pain the next day. I'm a recreational player, for the most part. i'm not pursuing a career in playing or teaching tennis.

I was just wondering how so many are able to use it without a problem, since the poly presents such an issue with shock-absorption.

Thanks again for putting the time into your reply!
 
WOW....thanks for that lengthy reply. Not sure if you did that just for me, but it was very thorough for sure.

Without over-simplilfying, TE came almost immediately after switching to poly. I'd been using that racquet for a couple of years without issue prior to that.

I switched to the EXO3 which is marginally heavier - about 1/2 an ounce - and back to syn gut at the same time. your remarks about racquet weight definitely holds true in that area.

The reason I blame the string, rather than the racquet is because i was using the Wilson for a couple of years without issue.

After playing with it yesterday, I realized that the Prince has a LOT more power (which I need) and better spin (which i also need). I was frustrated that I was struggling to get power on my groundstrokes - it hit me in the third hour that it might be the racquet (i'm not too bright :???:)

As for stiffness, I have no idea. I suppose there's an index somewhere that shows a difference. Really, all i care about is that i can hit the ball well and not be in pain the next day. I'm a recreational player, for the most part. i'm not pursuing a career in playing or teaching tennis.

I was just wondering how so many are able to use it without a problem, since the poly presents such an issue with shock-absorption.

Thanks again for putting the time into your reply!

I have been meaning to write something like this, and voila, the opportunity presented itself.

I would recommend that you take some time off, see your doctor, do some rehab, and then come back to tennis with the racquet that did not give you trouble ... and maybe even with natural gut. I know it is expensive, but your arm is worth it.
 
btw, I'm open to ideas for string that might get me more power without switching to poly. I've never really gotten too involved with the science of strings and stringing. I just like to play :)

Poly isn't really designed for people who need to add power to their game - it's designed for people who have enough (or possibly too much) power inherent to their swing and they need a stiff string to reduce the amount of power.

If you need power, I would suggest (as Mikeler did) that you look into the variety of multifilament or natural gut strings out there. They are softer, more arm friendly, and can add some zip to the ball which you say you're looking for.

Personally, I have had elbow trouble a few years ago, and I now use poly from time to time with no major issue, but I adhere to a pretty rigid strength training program that has been very helpful in preventing further elbow discomfort.
 
Buy a theraband flexbar and do the exercise for TE. I'm not sure I could play without pain if I did not own one.
 
if you get it from polys don't bother going back to them for quite a long while. I kept trying and it didn't work out. Strenthgen the arm as the others have mentioned but stick to syn/multi.

And if you do ever use polys string it at 50.
 
Buy a theraband flexbar and do the exercise for TE. I'm not sure I could play without pain if I did not own one.

mikeler, how many reps & sets of the Tyler Twist are you doing per day...I own a green flexbar and do usually a couple of sets of 15 reps per day but I still feel a bit of pain in my elbow after doing the reps.

Thanks.
 
The best explanation I have heard for tennis elbow was from a professor studying incidents of TE in tennis players. Basically it explains how the twisting of the racquet in the hand during contact with the ball can cause the arm to try and pivot at the tendon near the elbow (where it is not meant to twist), thus placing stress on that point where tennis elbow occurs.

The wrist is designed to rotate and move in different directions, so when you hold the grip with just the appropriate amount of pressure (i.e. not too tight), if you mishit the ball the racquet will twist slightly usually with the grip twisting slightly in the hand and the wrist usually moving with the twisting racquet absorbing much of the impact before it reaches the elbow joint - which only moves along one plane (up/down).

Now if you hold the racquet grip tight and that usually corresponds with a slight locking of the wrist as well as placing more stress on your forearm muscle and tendons, and the mishit shot twists the racquet and will cause the entire forearm to twist at the elbow in a sidewards motion instead of up and down. This is where the tendon joins and this motion causes it to become inflamed and saw. If it isn't allowed to recover, then the inflammation will not have a chance to subside. This is why placing pressure an the upper forearm with a band etc provides relief for TE as it is supporting the tendon and relieving some of the pressure.

This also explains how the use of hand held power tools and the like can cause this type of injuries, and also give sa plausable reason as to why technique in both tennis and usage of power tools can cause this problem. Also gives credence to the light racquet & stiff string etyc. contributing factors and there effect on the twisting of the racquet and so forth.

I am not saying that this is the only cause for TE, but it is one of the most logical explanation I've found. I hope I explained it clearly enough and sorry for ranting too long.
 
mikeler, how many reps & sets of the Tyler Twist are you doing per day...I own a green flexbar and do usually a couple of sets of 15 reps per day but I still feel a bit of pain in my elbow after doing the reps.

Thanks.


You may want to go down to the red flexbar then. The exercise shouldn't hurt you. I do 3 sets of 15 most nights of the week. I do the Reverse Tyler Twist since my problem is GE not TE. I'll also do 3 sets of 20 triceps extensions with small 4 pound weights. I'll also do 3 sets of 20 forward and reverse wrist curls with the same weights.
 
You may want to go down to the red flexbar then. The exercise shouldn't hurt you. I do 3 sets of 15 most nights of the week. I do the Reverse Tyler Twist since my problem is GE not TE. I'll also do 3 sets of 20 triceps extensions with small 4 pound weights. I'll also do 3 sets of 20 forward and reverse wrist curls with the same weights.

Thanks, I'll load less the green one for now and reduce to 10 reps to see if it makes a difference. If not I'll order a red one. I do the same amount of wrist curls with a 3 lbs weight with no pain.

My apologies to the OP, I realized after I posted that I should've asked in the Health & Fitness forum.
 
I have a couple of things to add to Mr. Scotus' posting.

I should be clear that my elbow is sore, with TE symptoms, but I don't expect it to stay around for too long.

There are a couple of things that you left off (or only touched on):

1. Grip...you talked about not squeezing too tightly. I played with a borrowed racquet one day, and the grip was too small for my hand, which resulted in elbow soreness. If the grip is too small for your hand, you'll automatically be squeezing too tightly.

2. Timing...there's a big difference between taking the ball early, a few inches in front of the body and the point of contact being even with the hip. Earlier is better - not only to technique, but also for the elbow. I don't have the words to explain it, but if you hold a racquet in your hand and simulate a swing with the point of contact at both spots, you'll immediately feel the difference.

In my case, the other night when my elbow pain arose, I was playing against an opponent who hit a harder ball than I'm accustomed to playing, so a lot of my strokes may have been a little late throughout the match. I'm thinking that this might have more to do with my elbow soreness than the poly strings, now that I'm thinking about it.

It didn't stop me from winning the match 3 & 1 :twisted:

A few days of playing with an elbow 'bubble' and being more conscious of my timing, and I'll be good as new. I hope!

Thanks guys.
 
I have been using poly for a couple of years. Although I do feel a little pain on my elbow, I do not develop TE problem.
This string is very tough for elbow compare with other string such as synthetic, multifilement. Poly is not a good choice for lots of players.
 
Pro's play with poly for 1 match. Then they cut it out, and put a new one in.
People here put on a new string in once a year. Then play "until the arm hurts".
 
I have found that adding lead to the head (I do it at 12) makes it a bit easier on the arm. Also i think because people have heard how hard you can swing with poly and keep the ball in folks are trying to kill the ball every time. This is a lot of stress on the arm. I swing fast not hard if that makes any sense.
 
The pros have much stronger arms than us...
I have been using poly without any issues, you really have to hit it square. If you do, it doesn't feel any different than any soft strings to me.

Another thing I found is that when you hit a off center shot while your arm is relaxed, you're in for a lot of pain in the elbow. When I full string, and use my full power (grip tightly), even off center shots don't hurt that much.
 
OP

Just a note about the pro's not getting TE...we don't really know. There maybe some pro's playing with regular anti-inflammatroy treatment. I watch a lot of our club "Bundesliga" players - young studs who get recruited from other countries and get paid a wage to play high level comp here in Germany. They all (with one gut using exception) use a full poly or hybrid. And they hit a really sweet ball - but you know, after every point or two, I see a lot of them 'shaking out' their arms, flexing their fingers and rubbing the inside of their elbows.

I even overheard a couple of them talking about a new string one of them was trying, and he said it was great - "Almost no pain!".

For them I guess if there IS pain, the rewards still outweigh the disadvantages. For the rest of us - is it even worth putting up with 'a little' pain?

I'm in a quandry myself. I love the results I get with a poly, but I haven't found one yet that hasn't hurt me. How long do I keep looking I wonder?
 
The best explanation I have heard for tennis elbow was from a professor studying incidents of TE in tennis players. Basically it explains how the twisting of the racquet in the hand during contact with the ball can cause the arm to try and pivot at the tendon near the elbow (where it is not meant to twist), thus placing stress on that point where tennis elbow occurs.

The wrist is designed to rotate and move in different directions, so when you hold the grip with just the appropriate amount of pressure (i.e. not too tight), if you mishit the ball the racquet will twist slightly usually with the grip twisting slightly in the hand and the wrist usually moving with the twisting racquet absorbing much of the impact before it reaches the elbow joint - which only moves along one plane (up/down).

Now if you hold the racquet grip tight and that usually corresponds with a slight locking of the wrist as well as placing more stress on your forearm muscle and tendons, and the mishit shot twists the racquet and will cause the entire forearm to twist at the elbow in a sidewards motion instead of up and down. This is where the tendon joins and this motion causes it to become inflamed and saw. If it isn't allowed to recover, then the inflammation will not have a chance to subside. This is why placing pressure an the upper forearm with a band etc provides relief for TE as it is supporting the tendon and relieving some of the pressure.

This also explains how the use of hand held power tools and the like can cause this type of injuries, and also give sa plausable reason as to why technique in both tennis and usage of power tools can cause this problem. Also gives credence to the light racquet & stiff string etyc. contributing factors and there effect on the twisting of the racquet and so forth.

I am not saying that this is the only cause for TE, but it is one of the most logical explanation I've found. I hope I explained it clearly enough and sorry for ranting too long.

Thanks a lot, this explains me why i get wrist pain when i changed my racquet from a softer head MG to Babolat pure strom Tour 2008 model. I also use full polly solinco tour byte. I let my wrist to grip the racquet and pronate to get more topspin. The viberation of this racquet is getting on my wrist.
 
How old are you?

The older you get, the more brittle your tendons become and the easier it is for them to tear (which is what TE is) and the longer it takes for them to heal.

Don't forget that most pros are under the age of 30 and are in excellent physical shape and do a lot of off-court physical conditioning and strengthening. But even so, a lot of pros do get elbow, wrist, and shoulder injuries from using poly. Some are willing to make that sacrifice as they have to win matches to make a living.
 
I'm sticking with the Prince SynGut Multifil I've been using.

I'm trying out the thinner 17 gague - If I can get 3-4 weeks out of it, I'll be happy. Apparently, the only disadvantage is the durability.
 
I'm sticking with the Prince SynGut Multifil I've been using.

I'm trying out the thinner 17 gague - If I can get 3-4 weeks out of it, I'll be happy. Apparently, the only disadvantage is the durability.


Don't save your strings and kill your arm. Softer strings will usually break quicker than stiffer ones.
 
I'm sticking with the Prince SynGut Multifil I've been using.

I'm trying out the thinner 17 gague - If I can get 3-4 weeks out of it, I'll be happy. Apparently, the only disadvantage is the durability.
Excellent choice!

One of my favorite strings. Very comfortable and very powerful with great feel. The downsides are that it moves around like a snake in your stringbed and it doesn't last all that long. But for me, the positives greatly outweigh the negatives. :)
 
The best explanation I have heard for tennis elbow was from a professor studying incidents of TE in tennis players. Basically it explains how the twisting of the racquet in the hand during contact with the ball can cause the arm to try and pivot at the tendon near the elbow (where it is not meant to twist), thus placing stress on that point where tennis elbow occurs.

The wrist is designed to rotate and move in different directions, so when you hold the grip with just the appropriate amount of pressure (i.e. not too tight), if you mishit the ball the racquet will twist slightly usually with the grip twisting slightly in the hand and the wrist usually moving with the twisting racquet absorbing much of the impact before it reaches the elbow joint - which only moves along one plane (up/down).

Now if you hold the racquet grip tight and that usually corresponds with a slight locking of the wrist as well as placing more stress on your forearm muscle and tendons, and the mishit shot twists the racquet and will cause the entire forearm to twist at the elbow in a sidewards motion instead of up and down. This is where the tendon joins and this motion causes it to become inflamed and saw. If it isn't allowed to recover, then the inflammation will not have a chance to subside. This is why placing pressure an the upper forearm with a band etc provides relief for TE as it is supporting the tendon and relieving some of the pressure.

This also explains how the use of hand held power tools and the like can cause this type of injuries, and also give sa plausable reason as to why technique in both tennis and usage of power tools can cause this problem. Also gives credence to the light racquet & stiff string etyc. contributing factors and there effect on the twisting of the racquet and so forth.

I am not saying that this is the only cause for TE, but it is one of the most logical explanation I've found. I hope I explained it clearly enough and sorry for ranting too long.

I think your professor is 100% right, the main cause for tennis elbow is squeezing the grip and stiffening wrist (these two kind of go hand in hand).
 
Thank you for the response.

Several different factors can contribute to the development of tennis elbow (TE), and it usually comes in some combination. Let me give you some of these factors.

1. OVERUSE
Some medical websites report that the majority of TE sufferers are not even tennis players. Anyone who stresses his/her arm repetitively in a certain pattern (e.g., musicians, mountain bikers, construction workers, etc) is at risk. The body has a capacity to heal itself, but if the rate of compounded micro-injuries from overuse exceeds the rate of recovery (which obviously depends on your genetics, age, conditioning, etc), then you end up with a problem. Tip: Body needs rest in order to recover properly.

2. SHOCK
Whether it be someone who repeatedly uses a hammer, power drill, grip handle bars of a motorcycle, or a tennis racquet, another factor that contributes significantly to TE is the amount of shock your arm must absorb. So do all you can to reduce the shock. There are 2 ways of dealing with shock.

2A. Equipment
You need to start investing in equipment that can absorb more shock so that there will be less left for your arm to absorb. You definitely want to pay attention to the following 3 factors: (i) mass, (ii) stiffness, and (iii) miscellaneous shock absorbing technologies.

(i) Mass: For your racquet, the higher the mass, the higher the shock absorption. Obviously you don't want to swing a racquet that is too heavy for you to handle, as this can also cause injuries. So you need to start experimenting and go only as heavy as you can comfortably handle it for the duration you play. As a rule of thumb, you would want to go more headlight in balance as you raise the mass of the frame, as it would allow you a greater maneuverability.

(ii) Stiffness: This applies to both the racquet and the string. First, let's talk about your string. Polys are usually much stiffer than synthetic guts, so it would transmit more shock down the frame. Whatever amount of shock your racquet does not absorb has to be absorbed by your hand, which goes down to your wrist, elbow, etc. So invest in a string that is low in stiffness. If you can afford it, by all means go with natural gut.

Related to stiffness is tension, the higher the tension, stiffer the string. Therefore, you want to go as low as you can afford to play. One great thing about natural gut is that even at a high tension, it is still soft and will absorb most of the shock for you.

Another thing to look out for with regard to the stiffness of your string is its elasticity. Polys lose what little elasticity it has incredibly fast, so we all talk about how the poly goes dead within a few hours. So although the poly loses a staggering amount of tension by the time it is dead, it does not give us the benefit of low tension, meaning there is so little energy returned to the ball, you have to work that much harder. Whatever the science behind this phenomenon, you just need to get your racquet restrung more often. And here is another area where natural gut shines. Natural gut retains its elasticity and plays great and soft until it snaps.

Now, of course the frame. The stiffer the frame, the less shock it can absorb, which means your arm has to take the blunt of it. So don't go with racquets with stiffness/flex rating of 70 or above. While there is no magic number, the rule of thumb is the lower the better for the arm. So find a frame that you can play with that gives you enough flex to be nice to your arm.

(iii) There are certain technologies that can absorb more shock from the frame so as to protect your arm.

The easiest way would be to add a more shock-absorbent grip. A simple way to do this would be to add an additional layer of overgrip. If this makes the grip too large for you, you can go down a size on the handle and then add more overgrips to build it back up to your regular handle size. There is even an engineering school dissertation that shows the shock absorbing benefit of overgrips.

Another thing you can do is replace the original grip with a more shock absorbing material such as Sorbothane and, believe it or not, Kevlar. These materials are considerably heavier (which no doubt contributes to their shock-absorbing abilities) but well worth the investment.

Another technology worth mentioning is moving particles. The racquetresearch.com, for example, says that perhaps the best way to deal with shock and vibration is to put a small sandbag or bag of shots inside the racquet handle. This, of course, will add weight to your frame as well. If you do not want to go into backyard engineering, there is the Kinetic Technology developed by ProKennex, which is similar to having a "sandbag" inside the head of the frame. Most people who have used ProKennex's Kinetic or Ionic series would testify to the arm-friendliness of those frames.

There are other technologies that try to combat shock, but I have not tried them, so I can't comment on them, but you can look into frame technologies, such as Wilson's Triad and Dunlop's ISIS, handle technologies, such as Volkl's, etc. Some posters here also fill the hollow of the handle with foam, silicone, etc. All right, moving on....

2B. Technique
Technique is also very important when it comes to dealing with shock. You want the kind of technique that would involve more of your body parts and mass into each shot, so as to prevent the unfortunate situation where one part of your body must absorb most of the shock. So let's talk about a "faulty" one-handed backhand. If you try to arm your one-handed backhand or lead with your elbow, your elbow joint will have to take the blunt of the shock, whereas if you keep it straight and keep the proper mechanic, the shock will be distributed more evenly among different parts of your body, which would result in less damage and faster healing. If you go with a 2 hander, I suppose it would be even more effective in that area.

Technique is also important in that you want to be hitting the sweet spot most of the time. If not, there will be a whole lot more shock traveling down your arm. So you want to make sure you are not shaking your head, jumping erratically or doing things that would cause you to miss the sweet spot.

You also don't want to be squeezing the handle too tightly. Think about it. If you were to completely let go of your racquet the moment you were about to hit the ball, you will have zero shock transmitted to your arm. Likewise, the looser the grip, less surface area of contact between the handle and your hand, so less shock. The more tightly you grip the handle, the more shock you will have to absorb and of course, the more tiring your arm will get from all that squeezing. So try to relax that grip.

I stated above that TE is usually a result of some combination of these factors. For example, a player with moderately faulty strokes could possibly avoid TE for a long time by either using a relatively arm-friendly equipment setup or getting enough rest in between hitting sessions. But the same person could develop TE if he switches to a less arm-friendly setup or somehow age catches up to him and denies him of the same recovery rate.

But even if you have the mechanically perfect stroke, you can get TE simply by overuse. Whenever the combined damage inflicted is greater than your body's ability to heal itself, you will end up with an injury. Sometimes, an acute injury from a fall or some sports injury, when followed by repetitive stress from tennis can also lead to something like TE.

Now to the question of why the pros can use polys and not have TE.
(1) Pros have great techniques: They hit the sweet spot a lot more than we do and use the entire body rather than arming the ball.
(2) Pros have superior conditioning: They don't just play tennis. Their coaches make sure they do preventive exercises to correct muscle imbalance. Many top players also have accompanying physios to constantly treat them. Not only that, they have been playing from their early childhood, so their muscles, tendons, and everything have had the proper time and training to get used to the daily grinds of tennis.
(3) Pros tend to use more shock-absorbing equipment: Their racquets have more mass, and their strings are always fresh (Some of us use the same string for months. Pros replace them every few games).
(4) Pros tend to be young, therefore their bodies heal themselves much quicker. But take heart, tennis pros are considered old and can't compete anymore toward their late 20's.
(5) Lastly but perhaps most importantly, pros are not immune to TE. Players like John McEnroe, Pat Cash, Arnaud Clement, Robby Ginepri, Guillermo Coria, Juan Martin del Potro, Jill Craybas, etc, have all suffered arm injuries and have been spotted with arm bands or tapes around the forearm, although they don't usually come out and specify what kind of arm injury. Then you look at how many players have suffered wrist injuries and shoulder injuries, from Agassi to Sharapova.

It is absolutely baffling to me how some posters here think that only the TE is technique-related while wrist injuries and shoulder injuries are not, especially when so many TE sufferers have never even played tennis.

At any rate, this is just my personal take on it. If it be of any benefit to you, great! But do go see a sports-medicine doctor. I wish you the best.
This is probably the best post ever on tennis elbow...Congratulations man...I´m fighting that injury right now and you basicaly said evrything i´ve learned from months of searching and Reading stuff about this issue. Thanks for the awesome post...
 
Thank you for the response.

Several different factors can contribute to the development of tennis elbow (TE), and it usually comes in some combination. Let me give you some of these factors.

1. OVERUSE
Some medical websites report that the majority of TE sufferers are not even tennis players. Anyone who stresses his/her arm repetitively in a certain pattern (e.g., musicians, mountain bikers, construction workers, etc) is at risk. The body has a capacity to heal itself, but if the rate of compounded micro-injuries from overuse exceeds the rate of recovery (which obviously depends on your genetics, age, conditioning, etc), then you end up with a problem. Tip: Body needs rest in order to recover properly.

2. SHOCK
Whether it be someone who repeatedly uses a hammer, power drill, grip handle bars of a motorcycle, or a tennis racquet, another factor that contributes significantly to TE is the amount of shock your arm must absorb. So do all you can to reduce the shock. There are 2 ways of dealing with shock.

2A. Equipment
You need to start investing in equipment that can absorb more shock so that there will be less left for your arm to absorb. You definitely want to pay attention to the following 3 factors: (i) mass, (ii) stiffness, and (iii) miscellaneous shock absorbing technologies.

(i) Mass: For your racquet, the higher the mass, the higher the shock absorption. Obviously you don't want to swing a racquet that is too heavy for you to handle, as this can also cause injuries. So you need to start experimenting and go only as heavy as you can comfortably handle it for the duration you play. As a rule of thumb, you would want to go more headlight in balance as you raise the mass of the frame, as it would allow you a greater maneuverability.

(ii) Stiffness: This applies to both the racquet and the string. First, let's talk about your string. Polys are usually much stiffer than synthetic guts, so it would transmit more shock down the frame. Whatever amount of shock your racquet does not absorb has to be absorbed by your hand, which goes down to your wrist, elbow, etc. So invest in a string that is low in stiffness. If you can afford it, by all means go with natural gut.

Related to stiffness is tension, the higher the tension, stiffer the string. Therefore, you want to go as low as you can afford to play. One great thing about natural gut is that even at a high tension, it is still soft and will absorb most of the shock for you.

Another thing to look out for with regard to the stiffness of your string is its elasticity. Polys lose what little elasticity it has incredibly fast, so we all talk about how the poly goes dead within a few hours. So although the poly loses a staggering amount of tension by the time it is dead, it does not give us the benefit of low tension, meaning there is so little energy returned to the ball, you have to work that much harder. Whatever the science behind this phenomenon, you just need to get your racquet restrung more often. And here is another area where natural gut shines. Natural gut retains its elasticity and plays great and soft until it snaps.

Now, of course the frame. The stiffer the frame, the less shock it can absorb, which means your arm has to take the blunt of it. So don't go with racquets with stiffness/flex rating of 70 or above. While there is no magic number, the rule of thumb is the lower the better for the arm. So find a frame that you can play with that gives you enough flex to be nice to your arm.

(iii) There are certain technologies that can absorb more shock from the frame so as to protect your arm.

The easiest way would be to add a more shock-absorbent grip. A simple way to do this would be to add an additional layer of overgrip. If this makes the grip too large for you, you can go down a size on the handle and then add more overgrips to build it back up to your regular handle size. There is even an engineering school dissertation that shows the shock absorbing benefit of overgrips.

Another thing you can do is replace the original grip with a more shock absorbing material such as Sorbothane and, believe it or not, Kevlar. These materials are considerably heavier (which no doubt contributes to their shock-absorbing abilities) but well worth the investment.

Another technology worth mentioning is moving particles. The racquetresearch.com, for example, says that perhaps the best way to deal with shock and vibration is to put a small sandbag or bag of shots inside the racquet handle. This, of course, will add weight to your frame as well. If you do not want to go into backyard engineering, there is the Kinetic Technology developed by ProKennex, which is similar to having a "sandbag" inside the head of the frame. Most people who have used ProKennex's Kinetic or Ionic series would testify to the arm-friendliness of those frames.

There are other technologies that try to combat shock, but I have not tried them, so I can't comment on them, but you can look into frame technologies, such as Wilson's Triad and Dunlop's ISIS, handle technologies, such as Volkl's, etc. Some posters here also fill the hollow of the handle with foam, silicone, etc. All right, moving on....

2B. Technique
Technique is also very important when it comes to dealing with shock. You want the kind of technique that would involve more of your body parts and mass into each shot, so as to prevent the unfortunate situation where one part of your body must absorb most of the shock. So let's talk about a "faulty" one-handed backhand. If you try to arm your one-handed backhand or lead with your elbow, your elbow joint will have to take the blunt of the shock, whereas if you keep it straight and keep the proper mechanic, the shock will be distributed more evenly among different parts of your body, which would result in less damage and faster healing. If you go with a 2 hander, I suppose it would be even more effective in that area.

Technique is also important in that you want to be hitting the sweet spot most of the time. If not, there will be a whole lot more shock traveling down your arm. So you want to make sure you are not shaking your head, jumping erratically or doing things that would cause you to miss the sweet spot.

You also don't want to be squeezing the handle too tightly. Think about it. If you were to completely let go of your racquet the moment you were about to hit the ball, you will have zero shock transmitted to your arm. Likewise, the looser the grip, less surface area of contact between the handle and your hand, so less shock. The more tightly you grip the handle, the more shock you will have to absorb and of course, the more tiring your arm will get from all that squeezing. So try to relax that grip.

I stated above that TE is usually a result of some combination of these factors. For example, a player with moderately faulty strokes could possibly avoid TE for a long time by either using a relatively arm-friendly equipment setup or getting enough rest in between hitting sessions. But the same person could develop TE if he switches to a less arm-friendly setup or somehow age catches up to him and denies him of the same recovery rate.

But even if you have the mechanically perfect stroke, you can get TE simply by overuse. Whenever the combined damage inflicted is greater than your body's ability to heal itself, you will end up with an injury. Sometimes, an acute injury from a fall or some sports injury, when followed by repetitive stress from tennis can also lead to something like TE.

Now to the question of why the pros can use polys and not have TE.
(1) Pros have great techniques: They hit the sweet spot a lot more than we do and use the entire body rather than arming the ball.
(2) Pros have superior conditioning: They don't just play tennis. Their coaches make sure they do preventive exercises to correct muscle imbalance. Many top players also have accompanying physios to constantly treat them. Not only that, they have been playing from their early childhood, so their muscles, tendons, and everything have had the proper time and training to get used to the daily grinds of tennis.
(3) Pros tend to use more shock-absorbing equipment: Their racquets have more mass, and their strings are always fresh (Some of us use the same string for months. Pros replace them every few games).
(4) Pros tend to be young, therefore their bodies heal themselves much quicker. But take heart, tennis pros are considered old and can't compete anymore toward their late 20's.
(5) Lastly but perhaps most importantly, pros are not immune to TE. Players like John McEnroe, Pat Cash, Arnaud Clement, Robby Ginepri, Guillermo Coria, Juan Martin del Potro, Jill Craybas, etc, have all suffered arm injuries and have been spotted with arm bands or tapes around the forearm, although they don't usually come out and specify what kind of arm injury. Then you look at how many players have suffered wrist injuries and shoulder injuries, from Agassi to Sharapova.

It is absolutely baffling to me how some posters here think that only the TE is technique-related while wrist injuries and shoulder injuries are not, especially when so many TE sufferers have never even played tennis.

At any rate, this is just my personal take on it. If it be of any benefit to you, great! But do go see a sports-medicine doctor. I wish you the best.

Daaaaamn sir Scotus ... golden oldie post. Outstanding ... we all could have saved a lot of TE typing by just linking this post. My racquet had a smart previous daddy. 8-B (y)
 
Hi
I had medium te. So i began to use head flexier frames from 2000. I used hybrid of multi mains and poly crosses about 1 year and i played 2 times a week. I improved my technique at forehand. I switch from l3 grip to l4 and always stayed relaxed. Now i use poly again and cut the string after a month. I use signum pro poly plasma and experince.
I dont have te neither sore arm. I forgot about te almost completely. The advantage of poly is that u can swing freely and with power because the ball stays inside court and spin is greater. You can feel the difference only u are very good at tennis. If not stay with multi.
 
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