Poly string suggestions

jhick

Hall of Fame
A number of years ago I switched over to synthetic gut from poly mainly due to tennis elbow issues I was experiencing at that time. I'm looking to make a switch to a new racquet (Head Radical MP 2021). I love the racquet's feel, increased power, and it works great for serving and especially at the net. Groundstrokes are good but when the ball is a little out the hitting zone I have trouble generating topspin on defensive shots and my ball tends to fly long. So I was thinking of switching back to poly strings. Opinions on best ones out there that don't wreak havoc on the arm.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
-all of these SOFT copolys should be available on TW
-head.lynx.TOUR (to keep it in the HEAD family!?!)
-isospeed.CREAM
-babo.rpm.POWER
-luxilon.ELEMENT
-luxilon.SMART
 

megamind

Legend
I like Isospeed Cream a lot.To me, I can't really tell the difference between it and multis, in terms of feel, and I get more spin (but not as much as a stiffer poly, but still more than enough imo)
 

eah123

Semi-Pro
Before switching to poly, consider switching to a stiffer synthetic gut like PSGD 16 or Prince Lightning XX 16, and also upping the tension. I like syngut at 60# for someone who is used to copoly at 50#.

There are lots of soft polys and it is a matter of taste. For arm safety the most important thing is to string it at the lowest tension you can tolerate. Start at 45# and move up next by 5# if it's too springy and down by 5# if it feels stiff.

My favorite soft poly right now is Tier One Ghost Wire 16.
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
An earlier post might be useful if you are not used to the proper way to use poly.
I think that the problem with using poly is that most pro shops don’t teach players the two basics of using poly that are different from using softer strings.

- Poly plays well at lower tensions and it is possible to play well with polys on most racquets at low-high forties (lbs) tension. Most players are used to playing at mid-high fifties or low sixties with multi or gut and when their stringer first suggests poly, they ask for the same tension or maybe only a 10% reduction which is still going to give them a very stiff stringbed. I bet that the majority of poly users outside of this forum have never strung poly below 50 lbs and ever experienced a comfortable string bed with poly.
- Players are used to playing with soft strings for 3-4 months or till they break. They are not advised by their stringer that poly loses its resilience and goes dead anywhere between 10-20 hours with stiffer polys getting harsh in a few hours and softer polys taking longer. Most players don’t break poly and they keep playing with it for many months or at least till the tension drops so much that control gets very erratic - this is usually many hours after it has gone dead and started transmitting many harsh vibrations to their arm. If stringers advised players to cut out the poly and restring as soon as they feel some discomfort or a ‘harsh’ feel which will definitely happen within 10-20 hours, we wouldn’t have the epidemic of elbow injuries from poly.

In general, I would agree that poly should be used mainly by players who will break it relatively soon as they are likely the ones who have the swing speed to get the ‘SnapBack’ effect that gives extra spin. But, if others want to use it due to the extra control or lesser depth it provides from its lower launch angle, it is likely ok as long as they string below 50 lbs and restring within 10-20 hours (depending on whether it is stiff or soft). But, please don’t use poly because it is ‘durable’ meaning that you never break it and use it for many months or because it doesn’t ‘move’ even after many weeks and then complain that poly strings always cause elbow problems for all older players - you are not using it right.

Also, unless you break multi/gut within 20 hours or do your own stringing, poly is probably not going to save you money if you use it right and restring every 10-20 hours. You will likely get twice the amount of hours with multi and thrice the amount of hours with gut without too much tension drop hampering performance. So, you have to compare the price of two poly string jobs against once with multi and three poly stringjobs against once with gut.
 

Folsom_Stringer_Musa

Professional
I would recommend Solinco (HyperG/TourBite) Soft 1.15mm and cross with PP Black Force 1.14mm or PP Red Devil 1.14mm or TO Ghost Wire 1.10mm.
Go low on tension initially and adjust accordingly.
Cheers.
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the input guys. For reference, I grew up playing with either full bed kevlar or Prince pro blend (I believe this was a hybrid Kevlar/Syn gut setup) because I quickly would break strings back in my youth. Back then I also would string with high tensions (mid 60's). Eventually I migrated towards full bed poly strings and probably strung those around 60. At the time I don't think there was a lot of research around string tension and tennis elbow. Eventually I developed TE and switched to syn gut. This worked because I don't play nearly as much as I used to and I tend to hit a bit flatter than in my youth. Therefore frequent string breakage is no longer an issue with syn gut. Currently with syn gut I usually string around 58. Tried going a little lower with syn gut (52) and didn't like the way it responded. But with poly being a more control oriented string I could try the lower tension and maybe it will be okay.
 

Uncoil

Semi-Pro
Thanks for the input guys. For reference, I grew up playing with either full bed kevlar or Prince pro blend (I believe this was a hybrid Kevlar/Syn gut setup) because I quickly would break strings back in my youth. Back then I also would string with high tensions (mid 60's). Eventually I migrated towards full bed poly strings and probably strung those around 60. At the time I don't think there was a lot of research around string tension and tennis elbow. Eventually I developed TE and switched to syn gut. This worked because I don't play nearly as much as I used to and I tend to hit a bit flatter than in my youth. Therefore frequent string breakage is no longer an issue with syn gut. Currently with syn gut I usually string around 58. Tried going a little lower with syn gut (52) and didn't like the way it responded. But with poly being a more control oriented string I could try the lower tension and maybe it will be okay.
Start at 50 lbs with poly. Adjust tension on next string job if needed.
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
Start at 50 lbs with poly. Adjust tension on next string job if needed.
Sounds good. Currently I have sets of Luxilon ALU Power Ice Blue and RPM Blast in my possession. Thoughts on those? Perhaps a hybrid co-poly / syn gut setup to start?
 

Uncoil

Semi-Pro
Sounds good. Currently I have sets of Luxilon ALU Power Ice Blue and RPM Blast in my possession. Thoughts on those? Perhaps a hybrid co-poly / syn gut setup to start?
Both of those strings are known to be quite stiff, especially RPM Blast. I personally would not hybrid with syn gut. That setup would not last very long. The poly would eat through syn gut fairly quickly.

Maybe start at 48 lbs with ALU Power or RPM Blast.
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
Don’t string either string above 50 lbs. They will start feeling harsh to your arm in less than 8 hours as they go dead fast - cut them out and restring at that point. If you want polys to last longer without causing discomfort or feeling harsh, try some of the new soft polys - HyperG Soft and Cyclone Tour are two of the best.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Sounds good. Currently I have sets of Luxilon ALU Power Ice Blue and RPM Blast in my possession. Thoughts on those? Perhaps a hybrid co-poly / syn gut setup to start?
The RPM Blast craze is sort of like an army of zombies. Can't be stopped, can't be reasoned with, and all the RPM wants to do is eat elbows. If you want to give yourself some better odds of avoiding more elbow trouble, I recommend leaving that stuff on the shelf for now. I'm convinced that it's overpriced garbage.

Curious to know what syn. gut you've been using. They're not all the same and if you've been playing with a relatively soft option, there are a couple of stiffer alternatives in the family that could be worth a go.

If you really need to scratch that itch to use poly again, I'd say consider a hybrid including a light gauge poly (or co-poly) main - 1.20mm or thinner - combined with a cross of either syn. gut or multifiber. That should run a little softer than a bed of heavier poly and also give you a degree of poly performance that you want. I've strung this setup into the racquets of several locals who wanted to try a poly and it's never caused any troubles in terms of arm irritation.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Why not try gut/poly hybrid if your strokes are flatter now?

You will get the benefit of the poly with poly in the cross. The gut will be easier on the arm to lessen the concern with the arm.
 

Folsom_Stringer_Musa

Professional
Both of those strings are known to be quite stiff, especially RPM Blast. I personally would not hybrid with syn gut. That setup would not last very long. The poly would eat through syn gut fairly quickly.

Maybe start at 48 lbs with ALU Power or RPM Blast.
RPM Blast - works for Nadal, will it work for me? May be not and most likely not.
They should have come up with softer version.
 

galapagos

Professional
Sounds good. Currently I have sets of Luxilon ALU Power Ice Blue and RPM Blast in my possession. Thoughts on those? Perhaps a hybrid co-poly / syn gut setup to start?
you might find this thread helpful as I rate many popular strings and some hidden gems :) https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/ultimate-string-of-choice.689948/
but if you want to find something comfortable with great spin potential and control I would recommend Mayami Big Spin. Also I've heard very positive reviews on Solinco Tour Bite soft 1.30 when it comes to comfort+control ratio so this might be worth checking out as well. Also Alu Power Blue for me is comfortable enough (it's very responsive so it doesn't take the impact like i would expect from RPM Blast which feels more "boardy") Good luck !
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
The RPM Blast craze is sort of like an army of zombies. Can't be stopped, can't be reasoned with, and all the RPM wants to do is eat elbows. If you want to give yourself some better odds of avoiding more elbow trouble, I recommend leaving that stuff on the shelf for now. I'm convinced that it's overpriced garbage.

Curious to know what syn. gut you've been using. They're not all the same and if you've been playing with a relatively soft option, there are a couple of stiffer alternatives in the family that could be worth a go.

If you really need to scratch that itch to use poly again, I'd say consider a hybrid including a light gauge poly (or co-poly) main - 1.20mm or thinner - combined with a cross of either syn. gut or multifiber. That should run a little softer than a bed of heavier poly and also give you a degree of poly performance that you want. I've strung this setup into the racquets of several locals who wanted to try a poly and it's never caused any troubles in terms of arm irritation.
RPM I bought a while ago when it was on clearance and ALU power was a gift. Currently I've been stringing with Head Syn Gut.
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
Why not try gut/poly hybrid if your strokes are flatter now?

You will get the benefit of the poly with poly in the cross. The gut will be easier on the arm to lessen the concern with the arm.
Do you mean natural or syn gut? I'm not sure I want to invest $$$ in natural gut. Somebody earlier had mentioned earlier that they wouldn't string hybrid with syn gut because the poly would eat the gut quickly. But I know there are others who like this setup.
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
you might find this thread helpful as I rate many popular strings and some hidden gems :) https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/ultimate-string-of-choice.689948/
but if you want to find something comfortable with great spin potential and control I would recommend Mayami Big Spin. Also I've heard very positive reviews on Solinco Tour Bite soft 1.30 when it comes to comfort+control ratio so this might be worth checking out as well. Also Alu Power Blue for me is comfortable enough (it's very responsive so it doesn't take the impact like i would expect from RPM Blast which feels more "boardy") Good luck !
Thanks for the link. It looks very informative. Although I play more quick strike game, relying on my serve and all court game and looking to attack and get to the net. But the main thing is looking to get better spin response on baseline shots where I'm on defense.
 

galapagos

Professional
Thanks for the link. It looks very informative. Although I play more quick strike game, relying on my serve and all court game and looking to attack and get to the net. But the main thing is looking to get better spin response on baseline shots where I'm on defense.
every poly should have more spin potential coming from gut. I would take it slowly and try to go up in stiffness by little instead of going full YOLO RPM Blast :) My observations were that triangle and 4-sided strings suit those aggresive cuts very well. Also there is a reason I called those group of strings "baseliners dream" . The only thing tricky might be net game but you would have to try it for yourself. Are you also an aggresive hitter by the net or maybe rely on touch and angles. If you are the hitter then I would say this group is for you :) I mentioned Big Spin because it was the most comfortable string from my control/spin oriented strings on my ultimate list. But to suggest something more I also added solinco tour bite soft. My friend is using it with great success and he is a first striker as well.
 

LOBALOT

Hall of Fame
Do you mean natural or syn gut? I'm not sure I want to invest $$$ in natural gut. Somebody earlier had mentioned earlier that they wouldn't string hybrid with syn gut because the poly would eat the gut quickly. But I know there are others who like this setup.
I am thinking natural gut but it depends if you string yourself or not. In a previous thread I did the math and the extended life of the setup for a flat hitter was comparable to full bed of poly which one needs to restring more frequently. Plus, what I like about gut/poly is that it performs well for flatter strokes off the ground but you get very good spin out of it when serving. Plus, I see you are an all court player and like to get to the net... Gut/poly up at the net is tough to beat!

Just a thought but given above and your previous arm issues it would be something I would think about trying.
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
Gut/poly hybrids are great and I play with them, but it does cost more. Even if you are not a string breaker, the poly will still go dead within 10-20 hours depending on the poly and the feel will get harsh so that you have to restring. Gut in fullbed can last 40-50 hours without losing tension and is a good deal if you are not a stringbreaker.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
RPM I bought a while ago when it was on clearance and ALU power was a gift. Currently I've been stringing with Head Syn Gut.
I can't remember whether I sampled some Head syn. gut a year or two ago, but I think our pals here have ranked is as a middle-of-the-road syn. gut in terms of its stiffness.

Two SG's with significant backbone are Prince SG with Duraflex (PSGD) and Gosen OG Sheep Micro. The Prince is generally too firm for me, especially compared with their Original SG. But in a pinch, I can live with the 17 ga. version of PSGD at no more than moderate tension. It also comes in a bunch of different colors, so there's that.

Gosen OGSM isn't quite as stiff as Prince w/Duraflex, but I also don't much care for its inherent firmness a full bed of the 16 ga. version. Last fall I tried one or two beds of the 17 ga. in my racquets tensioned down at around 53 lbs. and I was surprised with how well that worked for me. For comparison, I'll typically tension a softer 17 ga. SG up at 57-58 lbs. in my regular players. This Gosen is pretty tough and I often use the 16 ga. as a cross when somebody wants a basic poly hybrid. I'm not trading bullets with Div I college killers, but I can slug with 17 ga. OGSM for several hours before it shows evidence of breaking down.

Yaddah-yaddah... In case you want to have a go with a couple of other strings that aren't poly, but might offer some extra consistency, these two could be worth a look.
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
Are you also an aggresive hitter by the net or maybe rely on touch and angles?
I would say I'm middle of the road. Probably more towards the aggressive game but will also hit with touch and angles, depending upon the situation.
 
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