Poor Man's Champions Choice

#1
I had a post up in the Mighty Pro Staff 90 thread asking for a good hybrid/poly set up. I thought I'd open it up here for a wider discussion.

I have been stringing exclusively with Gosen OG-Sheep Micro 17 for the past couple years. It's a great string for the price, and I don't mind restringing two racquets every week. I kind of prefer it. The string is done before it loses too much playability.

The happy dilemma is that I have been dialed into my PS90 now more than ever, and I'm generating more racquet head speed with greater ease. However, when I really load up and go after the ball, it starts to sail on me. I think it's time to start transitioning to a hybrid with Poly.

I had a couple packages of Volkl Cyclone. I strung up a half-set in the crosses against the OG-Sheep at 54.

My first impression: polys should come with some sort of warning about rope burn when you are pulling the crosses though. Overall, better depth off the one-handed backhand and much more leeway to go after heavier shots on the forehand side. The only problem is that the Cyclone ate through the Gosen and snapped the mains in about 2-3 hours of play.

I was recommended to try the following hybrids:

Kirschbaum Pro Line II mains with Cyber Flash
ISOSPEED (Baseline Spin?) 17L mains with Gosen ProForm Tuff 15L
Wilson NXT Duo (a little pricey for me)

I’m a little ambivalent about putting a poly in the mains. I’d prefer to have something softer there. Any recommendations? I don’t mind restringing a couple racquets every week, but I’d like to get more than 2-3 hours of play out of a string set up.

What’s your best poor man’s Champions Choice?
 
#3
I was using Ashaway Monogut ZX mains and Tourna Big Hitter Silver crosses for a while. That was my poor man's Champion's Choice. Then I tried the Kevlar / ZX hybrid and have not looked back since.
 

McLovin

Hall of Fame
#4
I think you guys are missing the point. Champions Choice is, by definition, Wilson Natural Gut and Luxilon Rough. You cannot just take two random strings, put them in a frame, and call it a "poor man's Champions Choice".

That's like asking "what's a poor man's Jack & Coke", and someone says "I mixed Aristocrat Vodka and RC Cola". Its not the same.

A "poor man's Champions Choice" would be something like KLIP/Global/NGW Natural Gut ($20-28 per pack), and a cheaper, rough poly, like Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough ($9 per pack).

Since you only use 1/2 the pack, it ends up costing you between $15-19 per pack, as compared to $40 for the true Champions Choice.
 
#5
You should use only smooth round polys as crosses for SG mains. So anything cheap and round should do. Pro Line II crosses was mentioned and is a good candidate. Cyclone is a shaped poly IIRC.
 
#6
I think you guys are missing the point. Champions Choice is, by definition, Wilson Natural Gut and Luxilon Rough. You cannot just take two random strings, put them in a frame, and call it a "poor man's Champions Choice".

That's like asking "what's a poor man's Jack & Coke", and someone says "I mixed Aristocrat Vodka and RC Cola". Its not the same.
Try Old Grandad's with Safeway Select Cola. Old Grandad's sometimes runs $7.99 for a liter at Rite Aid. I think it's owned by Jim Beam. :D
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
#7
My son played Cyclone/OGSM for about 6 mos. He recently switched to HyperG/OGSM. Either way, $7/stringing. If you're using a shaped poly, you should run it in the mains. Use OGSM to maintain some of the comfort. But if you want pure performance, go with full bed poly.

Try a smooth, slick poly in the cross if you want to use OGSM in the main.
 

McLovin

Hall of Fame
#8
You should use only smooth round polys as crosses for SG mains. So anything cheap and round should do. Pro Line II crosses was mentioned and is a good candidate. Cyclone is a shaped poly IIRC.
I agree, but since the true Champions Choice comes with ALU Rough, to recreate it cheaply you'd need to use a similar string.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
#10
I don't think you need poly crosses just because your ball start sailing on you. Poly crosses wil give you a firmer DT you could easily get that by raising tension a little.
 
#11
I use Babolat Tonic 15L and Signum Pro Poly Plasma Pure. The SPPPP loses tension the least of any poly I've found, so is playable longer, and saves a few dollars per string job, and the Tonic saves a few bucks and lasts a long time. The biggest saving is in having to restring less often.
I've tried other guts, but they tend to break or lose tension from fraying more quickly.
 
#12
I don't think you need poly crosses just because your ball start sailing on you. Poly crosses wil give you a firmer DT you could easily get that by raising tension a little.
Do you even play tennis because half your posts/comments don't even remotely reflect real world play...
 
#15
I've been all about Genesis strings for a good poly to use in hybrid. Black Magic is excellent, and Pro Advantage is quite good and even cheaper than BM! When you look at the prices of big name polys out there, Genesis really seems to be giving you more bang for your buck. Personally I've been using mainly Black Magic mains and HEAD Velocity MLT multi in the crosses. They also run great with a solid syn gut in the cross like Gosen Sheep, which you're already familiar with. If you strung Pro Advantage and Gosen, you'd save a boatload of $$. Depending on availability and shipping cost etc http://www.thetennisdepot.com/
 
#16
For someone who prefers Gosen OG Micro but wants to dial down the power what would you suggest? Poly hybrid is one way but not the only way.
I have played with Gosen as high as 65 lbs in my old PS 7.5 and the PS90. I think I have reached my mechanical limits of how much I can hit out on the ball without it sailing. It's a narrower window of contact. Thus far with the OG/Cyclone combo, I do feel like I have a larger margin for error. I can hit a heavier ball and the added topspin still drops it in.

I like the Cyclone as a cross perhaps (eventually I'll try a full bed of ALU Power), so I guess I'm trying to find a soft main that can stand up to a stiff poly like Cyclone.

I actually have Black Magic queued up on my order list for TW. I'm looking forward to trying Isospeed Cream.
 
#17
I didn't read all the posts here but I'm sure someone recommended a lower cost gut with your "choice" of cross string. I've been playing gut mains with many different cross strings for a bunch of years now. The comment I'll make in creating your own gut hybrid is that the old Wilson gut lost a lot of tension. So if you replace it with a current bab gut you'll need to adjust tension and likely the relative cross string tension. This reality drove a guy I know crazy for a couple years until he finally tried a lower tension and resolved that problem.

I have several racquets that have everything from a multi (softest, works great in a stiff racquet) a syn gut (lower power and extremely cheap good control setup) and poly crosses. I find ploy crosses to be a mystery, I can't get them to play well for a long time like a lot of people can and I'm not willing to pay for Lux ALU rough.

And if the objective is to save money, I restring the crosses only about every 2 months in a 3 racquet rotation.

I know, I know you'll break strings, etc. etc. Not sure why but I never break strings even though I hit semi-western on the forehand and swing out on every ball I can.
 
#18
Prince Premiere Control 17 (Main) and Volkl Cyclone 17 (Cross)

The Premiere was a very soft string. It felt a lot like the Gosen OG Sheep but with a little less pop and lively feeling by a tad. Only three hours of play before the mains broke. I feel like Edison trying to find the right filament for the light bulb.

Kirschbaum Pro Line II (Mains) and Volkl Cyclone 17 (Cross)

A lot more spin and a lot of freedom to swing out -- because the ball wasn't going anywhere otherwise. It was great for counter-punching heavy shots off both wings. With my feet set and more time to prepare, I could drive a flat stroke with some authority, but the mphs were noticeably lower than the Gosen/Cyclone set up. There were no visible notches after the first couple hours of play. This could be a good set up.

I'm still waiting for my backordered items from TW. In the meantime, I have some Wilson Revolve and Technifibre Duramix to test as mains. I'm am curious to see how the Isospeed Cream feels and holds up against the Cyclone and Cyber Flash (also on back order).
 
#19
Wilson Revolve 17 (Main) and Volkl Cyclone 17 (Cross)

I have tested with Revolve 17 as a Main and Cyclone 17 as a Cross for a little over a week. It is very low powered but the spin potential is off the charts far beyond the Pro Line 2 and Cyclone combo. You can obscenely over hit and still keep the ball in. The added spin was giving my hitting partner difficulty and driving him three to four feet behind the baseline. With a one-handed backhand, you really have to drive through the ball, or else it becomes a sitter. Volleys felt uncomfortable since it is a very stiff set up. I had to put much more effort into each shot, so fatigue does become an issue. With the serve, I found I could bash away... I had to.

The only downside is that doing dips or chin ups will feel "uncomfortable" after using this set up. Since it is so low powered, my personal tendency is to over fan with both the wrist and elbow especially when fatigued. While I was not in pain, I would definitely describe the sensation as "discomfort" that subsided with a day or two away from the tennis court. However, I probably won't risk a full blown case of tennis elbow on this set up.

Volkl Power Fibre II 17 (Main) and Volkl Cyclone 19 (Cross)


I found a reel of Cyclone 19 on sale for $49.99! I decided to re-create a Psycho Hybrid. It felt great on serves. Great slice and kick. The Power Fibre II had excellent pop and flat serves. I took about 300 serves. The 20 minutes of groundies felt fantastic. Great spin on the forehand. Enough stiffness to shorten up and punch back a defensive deep one-handed backhand, but also enough ball pocketing to step in and drive it with aggression. The Cyclone was enough bite to impart some wicked slice. I liked this set up. Then it snapped after 20 minutes of groundies.

 
#20
Natural Gut 16 (Main) and Volkl Cyclone 19 (Cross)

I also order some Natural Gut 16 from Natural Gut Wholesale and strung it up with the Volkl 19 to compare with the modified Psycho Hybrid. I strung the Gut at 55 and the Cyclone at 52.

After playing with the Pro Line II and Revolve combo, I did have control issues even with only a half bed of Natural Gut. I had to dial back on my swing speed, but once I relaxed, I found my shots had greater depth with much less effort especially with a one-handed backhand. I imagine it would be like driving an 9 Iron 200 yards.

The Cyclone added great spin on the forehand side and slice on the backhand. Volleys felt plush. If this is as close as I can get to Champions Choice, I can see why it is well suited to Federer's game. With his anticipation, he can generate so much power with a flick of a wrist on the defensive. It also makes me appreciate his forehand even more. However, I was having difficulty finding my contact point for a flat/pace forehands. The ball dwells on the string so long, I was had a tough time flattening out and then keeping the ball in. Maybe this is something I can adjust to.

This felt fantastic on my arm. It was a good break from the full bed of polys I tested in the last couple weeks.

However, the Cyclone broke through the Gut after 90 minutes of play. However, I did have difficulty stringing the Natural Gut which could have led to the early breakage. The width of the string is uneven as others have mentioned, so it tends to get stuck when being pulled through the grommets. I was too impatient pulling the mains so a kink formed. This kink ended up settling near the center of the string bed when I was done pulling the mains. This is where the string eventually broke. To be honest, I don't think the Natural Gut would have lasted 4 hours against the texture and stiffness of the Cyclone, but I guess I'll find out. I try this again in my favorite frame.

Isospeed Cream should also be arriving tomorrow! Finally.
 
#21
As @McLovin said, a true poor mans champions choice is going to be budget gut with a smooth poly cross, but it won't be the real thing. I quite like Babolat Tonic, but that's still expensive. If you want to keep OGSM mains, try Solinco Outlast crosses in a thin gauge and see how that works for you.
 
#22
Don't use a rough or twisted poly in the crosses.

I have used many multi's and syn guts in the mains with round smooth polys in the crosses. I've also used some very lightly textured poly crosses. The smooth poly crosses are better for hybrid.

16G TF NRG2, TF Multifeel, Volkl PF II, Volkl syn gut, prince syn gut with a smooth poly cross in 16L or 17G like KB max power 17G (125mm) works well.
 
#24
My poor man's champion's choice is........
Wilson Sensation mains (I order in bulk when it's on sale, usually get sets when they are 6-7 dollars)
Luxilon Element crosses (I got my 660' reel for $210 so about $14 a set)
That comes out to about $10 a set but I eat through that stuff, Sensation breaks after a week of hard hitting.
 
#25
Kirschbaum Max Power (Rough or Regular) Mains / Natural Gut Wholesale V3 Crosses (or vice-versa)

KMP has a very low string-to-string friction rating (COF)... and plays almost identical to Luxilon ALU Power
 
#26
I had a post up in the Mighty Pro Staff 90 thread asking for a good hybrid/poly set up. I thought I'd open it up here for a wider discussion.

I have been stringing exclusively with Gosen OG-Sheep Micro 17 for the past couple years. It's a great string for the price, and I don't mind restringing two racquets every week. I kind of prefer it. The string is done before it loses too much playability.

The happy dilemma is that I have been dialed into my PS90 now more than ever, and I'm generating more racquet head speed with greater ease. However, when I really load up and go after the ball, it starts to sail on me. I think it's time to start transitioning to a hybrid with Poly.

I had a couple packages of Volkl Cyclone. I strung up a half-set in the crosses against the OG-Sheep at 54.

My first impression: polys should come with some sort of warning about rope burn when you are pulling the crosses though. Overall, better depth off the one-handed backhand and much more leeway to go after heavier shots on the forehand side. The only problem is that the Cyclone ate through the Gosen and snapped the mains in about 2-3 hours of play.

I was recommended to try the following hybrids:

Kirschbaum Pro Line II mains with Cyber Flash
ISOSPEED (Baseline Spin?) 17L mains with Gosen ProForm Tuff 15L
Wilson NXT Duo (a little pricey for me)

I’m a little ambivalent about putting a poly in the mains. I’d prefer to have something softer there. Any recommendations? I don’t mind restringing a couple racquets every week, but I’d like to get more than 2-3 hours of play out of a string set up.

What’s your best poor man’s Champions Choice?
This is funny because I was thinking about trying Champion's choice earlier today, but then I thought about my current setup and looked at the price of Champion's choice and when I did the math I was just like:


My set up is Cyclone in the mains and V-Feel in the crosses, it's a nice combination, and when I did the math on what half of a set of each cost, I was like, so it's only 13.50 per racquet for that setup. I can literally do 3 racquets for about same prices as Champion's Choice. Definitely going to stick my setup!
 
#27
I think you guys are missing the point. Champions Choice is, by definition, Wilson Natural Gut and Luxilon Rough. You cannot just take two random strings, put them in a frame, and call it a "poor man's Champions Choice".

That's like asking "what's a poor man's Jack & Coke", and someone says "I mixed Aristocrat Vodka and RC Cola". Its not the same.

A "poor man's Champions Choice" would be something like KLIP/Global/NGW Natural Gut ($20-28 per pack), and a cheaper, rough poly, like Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough ($9 per pack).

Since you only use 1/2 the pack, it ends up costing you between $15-19 per pack, as compared to $40 for the true Champions Choice.
Vodka compared to Jack Daniels? Lol That's not even in the same ballpark though. I mean I could see a poor man's jack and coke being like the off brand cola you get that's like the grocery store brand and then a cheaper whiskey like ten high or something awful like that.
 

McLovin

Hall of Fame
#28
Vodka compared to Jack Daniels? Lol That's not even in the same ballpark though.
Well...that was the point. People were suggesting synthetic gut or even using two different kinds of poly. A "poor man's" version, to me, is using the same type of materials, but getting it at a lower cost.

Throwing two random types of strings together doesn't get you a poor man's 'Champions Choice', it gets you a hybrid, just as throwing 'some type of cheap alcohol' with 'some type of cola' doesn't get you a Jack & Coke, it gets you a mixed drink.
 
#30
Natural Gut 16 (Main) and Volkl Cyclone 19 (Cross) - The Sequel

The second set of Natural Gut 16 /Cyclone 19 lasted about 3 weeks. However, I swapping racquets constantly to compare the feel with other set ups. I loosely estimate it lasted 5-8 hours of hitting.

The Natural Gut was from NaturalGutWholeSale.com. I did more pre-stretching and took my time pulling the NatGut through the mains. The width of the string does vary a good amount, so I took my time to massage the wide spots through the grommets when I hit a snag. The result was no kinks this time. The premature breakage last time was undoubtedly due to my impatience which resulted in a couple kinks the NatGut. I strung the mains at 55 Lbs, and the Cyclone 19 crosses at 52 lbs.

The end result of this experiment is that I was an even greater appreciation for Fed (if that is possible). I think this is a great set up for a player with traditional mechanics like a Fed or Llendl. I'm not convinced this would be a good set up for a player with the "modern" player. It was much more power than I was expecting. I never quite found my contact point/zone to maximize my swing speed and spin. I think the ideal contact zone for this hybrid set up is smaller than Gosen OG-SM 17. To fully utilize the power in NatGut, you need clean and precise strokes.

Even with a slower and shorter swing, I was easily generating decent pace and depth.

Things went started to go off the rails when at my full Swing Speed. (I am not sure about the accuracy of the Sony Tennis Sensor especially since the PS90 specs are not available. According to the Sensor, average forehand swingspeed is 65 mph and tops out at low/mid 80s.) With the Natural Gut, it felt like the the PS90 had a heavier swing weight. Perhaps, it is just the string or a combination of the string and the humidity. I just could not catch up to the ball. Some shots, I felt like a batter fighting off an inside pitch. However, when I was able to connect, it felt like launching a rocket. Volleys and slice had great feel. Serves felt fantastic. A lot of pop, and the Cyclone seemed to add extra slice. In terms of notching, I think most of the notching occurred from serving although the stings finally broke on a groundstroke.

Had a the time or money, I would love to compare this set up Champion's Choice. I think for my game, I'll probably end up using a Cream 17/Cyclone 19 set up for the foreseeable future.
 
#32
I think you guys are missing the point. Champions Choice is, by definition, Wilson Natural Gut and Luxilon Rough. You cannot just take two random strings, put them in a frame, and call it a "poor man's Champions Choice".

That's like asking "what's a poor man's Jack & Coke", and someone says "I mixed Aristocrat Vodka and RC Cola". Its not the same.

A "poor man's Champions Choice" would be something like KLIP/Global/NGW Natural Gut ($20-28 per pack), and a cheaper, rough poly, like Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough ($9 per pack).

Since you only use 1/2 the pack, it ends up costing you between $15-19 per pack, as compared to $40 for the true Champions Choice.
i used to do this and called it "chump's choice"...
 
#33
I still like the high end (Newer Multis - Head Velocity, LF Supreme 2.0) in the mains and a slick soft co-poly in the crosses. These newer multis are great on the arm.. slide back and forth like a poly and of course help you create spin and power with less effort. These newer multis are also more durable than the older/lower tech ones on the market. Check it out when you get the chance. Great option for an older skilled player.. :). Would not of course me my 1st option for a baseline basher with durability issues.
 

Crisp

Professional
#34
Two champions choiceesque options I've tried and loved are Tecnifibre pro red code wax and as the cross or main depending on your preference klip natural gut or ISO speed professional 17 + arm protection. If using the ISO I put in cross if klip I put in main. The wax really improves an already decent string.
 
#36
So I still had one pack of NatGut 16 from NaturalGutWholeSale.com. Instead of giving it away, I decided to throw it into my ProStaff 7.5 with Cyber Flash 16 as a cross. I was actually really impressed with this hybrid in this racquet.

For whatever reason, using NatGut mains in the PS90 seemed to change the balance and swing speed of the racquet. I never really adjusted to it. Making late contact at my full swing peed produced very erratic results.

In this modern era, most of my friends are appalled by the static weight and heft of the PS 7.5 (even though I recall it being considered more of a "lite" racquet when it debuted ages ago). However, the PS 7.5 is so headlight, it's incredibly quick and easy to get the racquet head up to full speed. Reaching my ideal contact point wasn't an issue.

The NatGut gave the racquet excellent depth and power to a very soft racquet even at lower swing speeds. I felt like the Cyber Flash helped to moderate the power to keep the ball from sailing. Flat, topspin and slice? Great access to all spins. However, this hybrid felt best when grinding with big cuts. I felt like I was driving opponents off the baseline like a boxer backing an opponent into a corner. The extra pop really allowed me still play an offensive one-hand backhand even when pressed to take a short cut at the ball. I loved the sound of the racquet making contact on serve. It makes you feel a little like Ivanisevic.

I'm actually really surprised that this set up has lasted for a little over a month now. I have been testing it on and off, but I felt pretty sure that this would last me a week and a half at best. It has dropped a good amount tension, but it was consistently comfortable.

I'm not sure I would try this in my PS90. The PS 7.5 is very low powered but has such an elastic feel at contact, and the NatGut seemed to accentuate the elasticity and supply the much needed "oomph". Plus, I bought 10 packs of Isospeed Cream last month to use as my mains in the PS90s. However, it is tempting to purchase a couple packs of NatGut to continue to test with Cyber Flash in the PS 7.5. It was running around $12-$13 per racquet (assuming the NatGut didn't break on the stringer--no breakage this time). I would love to try this combo in a Prestige Classic.
 
#37
Just use Kirschbaum Max Power(/rough) instead of the Alu as its a fair bit cheaper and then a cheaper gut like Klip or an equivalent multi/syn/poly that will replicate the feel. I dont think anything really close to guts tension retention and playability as a main as well as durability when using a poly cross.

Max Power + Max Power Rough also make a joke of Alu powers playability over the life of the string so its a much better alternative for most people as we don't string every hour like professionals.
 
#38
So I still had one pack of NatGut 16 from NaturalGutWholeSale.com. Instead of giving it away, I decided to throw it into my ProStaff 7.5 with Cyber Flash 16 as a cross. I was actually really impressed with this hybrid in this racquet.

For whatever reason, using NatGut mains in the PS90 seemed to change the balance and swing speed of the racquet. I never really adjusted to it. Making late contact at my full swing peed produced very erratic results.

In this modern era, most of my friends are appalled by the static weight and heft of the PS 7.5 (even though I recall it being considered more of a "lite" racquet when it debuted ages ago). However, the PS 7.5 is so headlight, it's incredibly quick and easy to get the racquet head up to full speed. Reaching my ideal contact point wasn't an issue.

The NatGut gave the racquet excellent depth and power to a very soft racquet even at lower swing speeds. I felt like the Cyber Flash helped to moderate the power to keep the ball from sailing. Flat, topspin and slice? Great access to all spins. However, this hybrid felt best when grinding with big cuts. I felt like I was driving opponents off the baseline like a boxer backing an opponent into a corner. The extra pop really allowed me still play an offensive one-hand backhand even when pressed to take a short cut at the ball. I loved the sound of the racquet making contact on serve. It makes you feel a little like Ivanisevic.

I'm actually really surprised that this set up has lasted for a little over a month now. I have been testing it on and off, but I felt pretty sure that this would last me a week and a half at best. It has dropped a good amount tension, but it was consistently comfortable.

I'm not sure I would try this in my PS90. The PS 7.5 is very low powered but has such an elastic feel at contact, and the NatGut seemed to accentuate the elasticity and supply the much needed "oomph". Plus, I bought 10 packs of Isospeed Cream last month to use as my mains in the PS90s. However, it is tempting to purchase a couple packs of NatGut to continue to test with Cyber Flash in the PS 7.5. It was running around $12-$13 per racquet (assuming the NatGut didn't break on the stringer--no breakage this time). I would love to try this combo in a Prestige Classic.
Natural gut and poly combo is 4-5 grams heavier than syn gut, it is adding roughly 5-7 sw to your racket.
 
#39
Klip Legend or Babolat Tonic and a smooth poly cross. Wouldn't try syngut mains as they simply don't last, tried "bargain" guts and had all the trouble mentioned here plus unbelievable quality control issues. That's my current string combination for my Volkl O10 295s and my Yonex ai98s. IMO its the perfect combination of softness, power, spin and longevity, and well worth the extra $$ per racquet.
 
#40
Klip Legend or Babolat Tonic and a smooth poly cross. Wouldn't try syngut mains as they simply don't last, tried "bargain" guts and had all the trouble mentioned here plus unbelievable quality control issues. That's my current string combination for my Volkl O10 295s and my Yonex ai98s. IMO its the perfect combination of softness, power, spin and longevity, and well worth the extra $$ per racquet.
I agree. I have been using Tonic/smooth poly hybrid for a few years and haven't found anything better on my Ai98's. I do have a "wet weather" stick with either a full bed of soft poly or a poly/syn gut hybrid. The poly/syn gut combo actually feels pretty soft and comfortable while it's fresh. I have Pro's Pro Black Out/Forten Sweet in the combo presently.

Note: A quick spray of silicone on the strings after playing brings back the snap back that get's lost over time. This really helps the poly/syn gut!
 
#41
The first time I've used gut/poly was about 2 weeks ago and I cannot see myself going to anything else. Currently using Klip gut 16 in the mains @ 59lbs and Tourna Silver 16 in the crosses at 56lbs. Now have about 24 hours in the setup and still plays great where I normally would cut out a full bed poly after about 8 hours of hitting or I'd break them.

The gut is starting to show signs of fraying, but it is still playing very well and I'm not going to cut them out until they break. Trying to see how much play time I can get out of them while still maintaining that incredible gut/poly feel.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
#42
I think you guys are missing the point. Champions Choice is, by definition, Wilson Natural Gut and Luxilon Rough. You cannot just take two random strings, put them in a frame, and call it a "poor man's Champions Choice".

That's like asking "what's a poor man's Jack & Coke", and someone says "I mixed Aristocrat Vodka and RC Cola". Its not the same.

A "poor man's Champions Choice" would be something like KLIP/Global/NGW Natural Gut ($20-28 per pack), and a cheaper, rough poly, like Tourna Big Hitter Blue Rough ($9 per pack).

Since you only use 1/2 the pack, it ends up costing you between $15-19 per pack, as compared to $40 for the true Champions Choice.
Maybe there is a room for really really poor mans champion version...

I don’t do hybrid but best I tried that remotely compared to gut poly hybrid was dunlop silk and genesis typhoon and distant second babolat synth gut with genesis typhoon
 
#43
Power Fiber II (Mains) / CyberFlash (Crosses)

I tested some Power Fiber II with CyberFlash in my PS 7.5. Great pop. It had less power and dwell time than the NatGut/Cyber Flash hybrid, but I felt that I had greater control. I could step into the ball and really belt it without sailing. Easy access of all spins. The ball pocketing was great for when I had to place topspin on defense. Slice had great depth. It was a very comfortable set up. Just great all-round playability.

I loved it. Then it broke in about three hours on the court... It just frays so quickly.

I haven't tested other multi-filaments. It just seems like Power Fiber is meant to be a cross to soften up polys. I thought it would hold up better against a non-textured/softer poly.
 
#44
I agree, but since the true Champions Choice comes with ALU Rough, to rereate it cheaply you'd need to use a similar string.
Agree with you on this 100%
a good comperason needs to be:
apples to apples
NOT
apples to pineapples..
:rolleyes:

The OP needs to clarify what he wantsvto replace/keep
if the mains can be replaced with multis instead of nat.gut
And/or
the crosses need to be rough or smooth
 
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#45
PP Hi-Tec MultiFiber 1.30 and Strategem 10 1.25 - no one can beat this combo in terms of poormanship, it costs under $3 for a string job.
Here is a hybrid I like that eill give yours a run for its money, all $3 of it. Haha..
Mains.pp.pioneer 1.30/cross.pp.red devil 1.24
 
#46
I used to use KB Max Power smooth crosses with gut before I got my own string machine. A friend gave me his stringer and a few sets of AlLURough. And I hate to admit it, but it's really, really nice. I've seen some folks mention that they replace the crosses a few times before the gut gives out.

Just curious, with Max Power Rough would I maybe have to change the crosses a couple times vs the three or four times you would have to with the Alu Power Rough? I don't mind restrining, just want maximum playability. KB seems much stiffer and if the only benefit is longevity, it's not worth it. Or maybe a thinner gauge with the KB, or is there another string that is rough and in the middle of the Lux and KB?
 
#48
For those who restring the crosses while keeping the gut mains, how do you adjust for tension loss? I mean even though gut holds tension really well, it still loses some tension over time. Say you originally strung gut/poly @ 58/55 on the first string job, what tension would you use the next time restringing just the poly crosses?
 
#49
For those who restring the crosses while keeping the gut mains, how do you adjust for tension loss? I mean even though gut holds tension really well, it still loses some tension over time. Say you originally strung gut/poly @ 58/55 on the first string job, what tension would you use the next time restringing just the poly crosses?
I’ve gone to string the gut center 6 mains at 61#, 5% pre and 55# crosses. On the cross change at about 3-4 weeks, I still do 55# on the crosses. Yes, the gut settles and isn’t original tension, but the poly in the crosses loses 3# right off the bat and still has a few pound differential with the mains (I think).
 
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Agree with you on this 100%
a good comperason needs to be:
apples to apples
NOT
apples to pineapples..
:rolleyes:

The OP needs to clarify what he wantsvto replace/keep
if the mains can be replaced with multis instead of nat.gut
And/or
the crosses need to be rough or smooth
“Poor man” would indicate that buying Natural gut at any cost is too expensive. The attempt is to recreate the set up with a soft main for power, feel etc while using a stiffer cross string for control and pocketing. The principle is the same even though the materials are different.
 
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