Poor Medvedev... got destroyed again LOL!!
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Tennis_dude101
Professional
Medvedev should be called up to serve in the Ukraine, Putin needs some more cannon fodder.....
flyingboris
Legend
This comment is the very slightest bit over the line.. (backs slowly away from the internet)
Tennis_dude101
Professional
I'm sure Mr Putin would disagree
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
Since Nadal took his soul (his confidence) this time last year Medvedev has never been the same.
prairiegirl
Hall of Fame
Wow, good on Korda. I like him and his game. Well done. Honestly, I never thought much of Daniil's game. I know he's won a lot, but to me, his fitness and limited ability to come forward and just stay back and hit always felt very dull to me. Korda is a far more interesting player.
ghostofMecir
Legend
Korda is a more talented player. I enjoyed watching him rip winner after winner frommthr baseline while Meddy batted around that ugly FH as per usual,
Purestriker
Legend
Dude had had a huge forehand.Thiago Seyboth Wild destroyed Meddy with his FH cannon at Roland Garros in the 1st round!
James P
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, not a great loss tbh.Meddy bear was destroyed by Korda again this year, this time in Shanghai.
Fabresque
Legend
Korda is very talented and a technically complete player who can not only sit back and grind, but has an excellent slice for variation and can attack the ball as well. The only problem with him is that he isn’t super quick and has trouble recovering. But that isn’t a problem for him against Daniil since Daniil rarely ever goes for big winners or is aggressive, it’s a game based on patience which is why Korda eats it up.Meddy bear was destroyed by Korda again this year, this time in Shanghai.
H2H is 2-1 for Korda. Med survived first meeting against a more raw version in 3 sets a few years ago in Bercy, but since then it’s been 5-0 in sets and a straight set win in AO for Korda. He’s clearly become a problem matchup the way other pushers have.
sportsfan1
Legend
Alcaraz struggled against and lost to med at the uso. Now med loses to korda. Meanwhile the 36+ year old guy beats all of the top players in straights. It makes no sense.
sortof
Hall of Fame
Meddy had a set point against Korda - and blew it with a DF. Kind of similar to what happened against de Minaur in Toronto (DF on set point in the breaker) and against the Zedrot in Cincy (DF on break point Zedrot at 4:4 final set). Korda is a difficult opponent for Meddy, no doubt about that, but what really bothers me is that Meddy has developed kind of a habit to come up with a DF when it matters most.
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NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Meddy will be back in USO and do well
Pmasterfunk
Hall of Fame
So much for the hard court specialistMedvedev lost 3 consecutive matches, including 2 at HC in Montreal and in Cincinnati.It's an unexpected outburst from him, the losses to Lehecka and Fokina at the US Open Series.
Pheasant
Legend
What’s odd is how badly Med has fallen off at slams this year. Last year, he was very good at the slams
2024:
AO: Lost final to Sinner
FO: lost R4 to de Minaur
WI: lost semi to Alcaraz(but beat Sinner)
USO: lost QF to Sinner
2025:
AO: lost R2 to Tien
FO: lost R1 to Norrie
WI: lost R1 to Bonzi
USO: ????
Med’s total points won percentage by year:
2021: 54.5%
2022: 53.3%
2023: 53.4%
2024: 51.7%
2025: 51.7%
Med declined heavily last year, but was able to still step it up at slams. This year, he has slumped badly at slams.
2024:
AO: Lost final to Sinner
FO: lost R4 to de Minaur
WI: lost semi to Alcaraz(but beat Sinner)
USO: lost QF to Sinner
2025:
AO: lost R2 to Tien
FO: lost R1 to Norrie
WI: lost R1 to Bonzi
USO: ????
Med’s total points won percentage by year:
2021: 54.5%
2022: 53.3%
2023: 53.4%
2024: 51.7%
2025: 51.7%
Med declined heavily last year, but was able to still step it up at slams. This year, he has slumped badly at slams.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
He's not the only one on a sharp downwards trajectory in slams. Tsitsipas has won two matches combined in the last five slams:
WI 2024: lost R2 to Ruusuvuori [beat Daniel R1]
USO 2024: lost R1 to Kokkinakis
AO 2025: lost R1 to Michelsen
RG 2025: lost R2 to Gigante [beat Etcheverry R1]
WI 2025: lost R1 to Royer
Auger-Aliassime has also won two matches combined in the last five slams:
WI 2024: lost R1 to Kokkinakis
USO 2024: lost R1 to Mensik
AO 2025: lost R2 to Davidovich Fokina [beat Struff R1]
RG 2025: lost R1 to Arnaldi
WI 2025: lost R2 to Struff [beat Duckworth R1]
Tsitsipas turns 27 tomorrow, so these are results achieved aged 25 and 26. Auger-Aliassime turned 25 three days ago, so they are results achieved aged 23 and 24.
Pheasant
Legend
Wow! That is terrible. I didn’t realize that they were that bad lately.
I agree its mostly decline, but it gets amplified by a little stronger field also.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
What about Taylor Fritz, then? He's born in 1997 too and he has had the best 18 months of his career.
You can have players going against the stream. But almost all 90s players has done gradually worse sinse 2020-2021.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
5/10 in the top10 are now 2000s born. If you add ADM born in 99 and Djoker, there are only three 90s born left in top10. Its not only decline.Fair enough. If you said "almost all" the first time, I wouldn't have replied!
ImpossibleWhopper11
Rookie
He won't make it to the second week at USO.Med's misery this year continues.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
They are still #28 and #29 (#19 and #25 in the race), but in slams they are definitely out of the top 32 and probably out of the top 64.
Meddy will join them in the low end of the top 100 if he loses in R1 of the US Open, as last year's US Open will no longer count.
ghostofMecir
Legend
Declines happen very quickly in this sport. The Big 3 warped people’s views. Meddy is finished contending at the highest levels as is Tsitsipas as is Ruud.
lurker2025
Professional
Ruud is a very good player but he is not really comparable to Medvedev and Tsitsipas though, despite them facing similar struggles at the moment. Anyway i hope they will recover.
Musterrific
Hall of Fame
I'm really enjoying this guy's decline. I hope it's permanent.
Although we are spoiled (or confused) with Big3, its not unusal for a player to decline at his age. He is 30y in 6 months.
Look at the early 90s gen, theyre all gone; Raonic, Goffin, Thiem, Schwartzman, Carreno Busta. Dimitrov barely hangs in there.
How many slams did Sampras win after 29?
Decline combined with a certain strengthening of the field. Around 2021 was more or less rock bottom.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I don't think the previous post meant it's surprising that he has declined, but that it's surprising how much/how fast he has declined. The players you listed are all at least 2.5 years older than him, and most of them are five years older than him. His close contemporary Karen Khachanov is now ahead of him in both the race and the rankings, despite being a generally worse player. Even Tallon Griekspoor is barely behind him in the race. (I mention him as another player born in 1996 and one who has generally been far worse than Meddy).
For Medvedev at 29.5 to have had the sort of year that Rublev has had - out of the top ten, behind several younger players, but still generally making the middle rounds of events consistently - would not be surprising. Going into Wimbledon, he had had that sort of year, and he did very well in Halle. But Wimbledon and his summer hard-court season have been worse than you'd expect. I guess the Popyrin loss isn't that bad, but the Bonzi, Moutet, and Walton losses are, as none of them is even in the top 50, especially as these are courts that he has excelled on in the past. In his last four tournaments, Meddy is now 3-4, and two of his three wins were against players ranked outside the top 100. The only somewhat decent win was against Opelka. So that's a surprisingly bad run for a player still in his 20s.
Times were different in Sampras's day: improved medical treatment generally helps players decline more steadily and less precipitously. N.B. Having reflected on this point, I also think it's worthy of note that Sampras declined way more early and abruptly than Agassi, whose playing style was more like Meddy's.
Long story short: it'd be no surprise for Meddy to be #12 in the race. It is a surprise that he is #20, and especially that he's struggling to win matches on US hard courts. Anyway, we'll see whether this is it for Meddy or whether he bounces back to some extent. He's not likely to win another slam but could still have some decent tennis in him.
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Sure he has declined more than expected. Might bounce back a little but he is done winning slams.
My comparison with all the listed 90-95 players is just to show that Big3 was a huge anomaly, there was never any great age shift. It was an illusjon. The oldest players of the 90-95 gen are "just" 35, still they are all gone, most of them long ago. I dont really know if its changed that much sinse Pete. All 90-95 players were mostly done before they were 30, now we are starting to witness the same with the older part of the 95-00 gen.
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helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I don't agree with you on this - I think there really has been a (significant) change in the age profile that isn't just a weak era. It's not all one thing or another, but a bit of both.
We've disagreed on this before, as you may recall. I don't think there's much point debating it again, so I propose we just agree to disagree!
GhostDog
Hall of Fame
I just seriously thought Med would win multiple slams.
Me too, then Nadal happened
Sure, but you have to agree that all the top names from 90-95 gen are all gone? And these players are "just" 30-35y old.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Sure, with the partial exception of Dimitrov. But this generation of players wasn't good to begin with, so it didn't need as much of a decline as if they were stronger.
You have to agree that there aren't as many young players as there used to be, though! For example, right now only six of the top 100 are 21 or younger (Fonseca, Tien, Mensik, Michelsen, Fils, Quinn - listed in ascending age order). As just one data point, but there are many more I could share with you, in the year-end rankings for 1988, three of the top six were 21 or younger (Agassi, Becker, Carlsson) and at least 20 of the top 100 [I'm getting the data from Tennis Abstract, who only list the top 20 in each age category, so I can't give you exact numbers. The 20th-highest ranked player aged 21 or younger was #79].
Focus on age has tended to be about 30-somethings winning slams, but to my mind it's equally interesting that while the occasional Nadal or Alcaraz can still win at 19, it has become much rarer than it used to be, and this has been true since 1995 and has become increasingly true over time (though there's been a bit of a swing back in the last three or four years, it's still nothing like it was in the 1970s and 1980s). My explanation is that tennis used to mostly reward speed and agility and teenage boys can be competitive in sports that do so, but now it rewards strength and stamina much more and 17 or 18 year olds just don't tend to be as strong as men of 23 or 25 or 28 or 30. And although people might find this counterintuitive, it's also true that teens aren't competitive in events that reward stamina - such as the marathon.
It's still up in the air about when players will start to decline. But I think there just can't be a real debate about the fact that most tennis players keep improving much longer than they did 30-50 years ago. And this is true in women's tennis, too.
Yes, a new coaching arrangement could revitalize Medvedev's career. He could become Alcaraz's coach.
ChrisJR3264
Legend
I mean roddick realized it early he no longer was playing at a level that could push for slams or titles and retired at 29.
This can happen. Med could be following a similar path.
This can happen. Med could be following a similar path.
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