Possible seeding scenarios at the USO

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There is a good possibility that Murray could be seeded #5 if he fails to defend his Montreal title(1000 pts).There is also a good possibilty that Roddick (currently ranked #9) could be seeded #9 (if he defends Washington final or #10 of he doesn’t).
In this case USO seeding 'd look more or less like this: Rafa #1, Djokovic #2, Federer #3, Soderling #4, Murray #5, Davydenko #6, Berdych #7,Verdasco #8, Roddick #9 and Tsonga #10.

The R4 opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 13-16. The QF opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 9-12.

So Nadal could have in his draw:

R4 Cilic/Youzhny/Melzer
QF:Roddick/Verdasco/Tsonga/Ferrer
SF:Federer/Murray
Final: Djokovic

Somebody corrects me if i'm wrong.
 
I really, really don't like the thought of Rafa facing Cilic in the fourth round. Everyone else is cake, but Cilic is as dark a horse as any...
 
Roddick could even be R16 if he loses points in the HC season....he's defending quite a few, isn't he? Tsonga and Verdasco are just a few points behind him.
 
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Bringing these over from the Rank Your Top 5 for USO thread:

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norbac said:
Roddick could even be R16 if he stays loses points in the HC season....he's defending quite a few, isn't he?
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He's defensing 300 pts in Washington(final),180 pts Montreal and 180 Cincy (both QF)=680 pts
Tsonga and Verdasco are just a few points behind him
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Pts to defend prior USO (in bold)

1 Nadal 10745 540
2 Djokovic 6905 780
3 Federer 6885 1180
4 Murray 5155 1360
5 Soderling 4935 260
6 Davydenko 4740 770
7 DelPotro 4350 1100
8 Berdych 3845 280
9 Roddick 3490 670
10 Verdasco 3475 100
11 Tsonga 3455 370
12 Ferrer 3100 135
 
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How exactly do the draws work? I know they put #1 and #2 in opposite side of the draw, and then what, all the evens go on one side and the odds the other? I read a post where someone said after #4 they are randomly distributed?
 
Nadalfan89 said:
I really, really don't like the thought of Rafa facing Cilic in the fourth round. Everyone else is cake, but Cilic is as dark a horse as any...
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Cilic is a non-entity to Rafa in 2010. He was unfortunate to run into an on-fire, in-form Cilic at Beijing in late 2009 where he was slaughtered. Cilic seems to be in a major slump like many on the Tour.

I'd prefer he play Cilic and even up the 1-0 H2H.

Dutch-Guy said:
He's defensing 300 pts in Washington(final),180 pts Montreal and 180 Cincy (both QF)=680 pts


Pts to defend prior USO (in bold)

1 Nadal 10745 540
2 Djokovic 6905 780
3 Federer 6885 1180
4 Murray 5155 1360
5 Soderling 4935 260
6 Davydenko 4740 770
7 DelPotro 4350 1100
8 Berdych 3845 280
9 Roddick 3490 670
10 Verdasco 3475 100
11 Tsonga 3455 370
12 Ferrer 3100
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Ferrer is defending 3,100 points? I'd double-check that one :)
 
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Dutch-Guy said:
He's defensing 300 pts in Washington(final),180 pts Montreal and 180 Cincy (both QF)=680 pts


Pts to defend prior USO (in bold)

1 Nadal 10745 540
2 Djokovic 6905 780
3 Federer 6885 1180
4 Murray 5155 1360
5 Soderling 4935 260
6 Davydenko 4740 770
7 DelPotro 4350 1100
8 Berdych 3845 280
9 Roddick 3490 670
10 Verdasco 3475 100
11 Tsonga 3455 370
12 Ferrer 3100
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holy ****

But the only redeeming thing about his 670 pts to defend is that he has 90 points to defend during/ after the U.S open and Del Potro losing 1100 off the bat. He could very well be out of the top 10 for the first time since he appeared in it. But he'll be top 10 at the end of year though, Davydenko can't defend all those points.
 
woah that graph is scary. looks like soderling and berdych have a great chance to push up their ranking positions.
 
Dutch-Guy said:
There is a good possibility that Murray could be seeded #5 if he fails to defend his Montreal title(1000 pts).There is also a good possibilty that Roddick (currently ranked #9) could be seeded #9 (if he defends Washington final or #10 of he doesn’t).
In this case USO seeding 'd look more or less like this: Rafa #1, Djokovic #2, Federer #3, Soderling #4, Murray #5, Davydenko #6, Berdych #7,Verdasco #8, Roddick #9 and Tsonga #10.

The R4 opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 13-16. The QF opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 9-12.

So Nadal could have in his draw:

R4 Cilic/Youzhny/Melzer
QF:Roddick/Verdasco/Tsonga/Ferrer
SF:Federer/Murray
Final: Djokovic

Somebody corrects me if i'm wrong.
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I would love to see djokovic, federer, murray, berdych, and roddick on one side of the draw at the US open. :twisted:
 
Actually instead of relaxing, if Nadal can win a couple of titles and go deep in the us open and possibly win it, then he can build up on his lead even more. If he can do it, its possible that not only will he end this year as no 1 but possibly also next year. If he can gain more points in the hc season then last year, then he'd have less pressure to defend points during the clay/grass season next year.
 
yeah i am hoping for a USO or atleast a cincinati lol. He hasnt won a title on the surface in nearly two years. Last time he did win on decoturf was Montreal and then the olympics.
 
Bud said:
Cilic is a non-entity to Rafa in 2010. He was unfortunate to run into an on-fire, in-form Cilic at Beijing in late 2009 where he was slaughtered. Cilic seems to be in a major slump like many on the Tour.

I'd prefer he play Cilic and even up the 1-0 H2H.
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Nadal still has problems playing against tall,flat hitters,Scandinavian players. Oh wait Cilic is from The Balkans:lol:.

On a serious note though,i can't see Cilic posing a threat to Rafa in this stage.He might take a set off of him but that 'd be it.


Ferrer is defending 3,100 points? I'd double-check that one :)
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Fixed.
 
If Nadal gets a Cilic-Roddick-Federer-Djokovic and wins the USO then I think it's pretty clear that he's the most dominant player on tour by far this season.
 
SF is going to be tough again :(

Either Fed or Mugza. Then of course there's still final, probably against Faker or one of the previous two.
 
Ambivalent said:
If Nadal gets a Cilic-Roddick-Federer-Djokovic and wins the USO then I think it's pretty clear that he's the most dominant player on tour by far this season.
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its already clear. If Federer wins USO, then it would be debatable since both would have 2 slams each but even then Nadal has 3 masters 1000 titles. Nadal has been by far the best player this season, 2 grandslams and 3 ms 1000 events to prove it. Plus he's made it to the quarter final stage or more in every event he has entered.
 
Dutch-Guy said:
There is a good possibility that Murray could be seeded #5 if he fails to defend his Montreal title(1000 pts).There is also a good possibilty that Roddick (currently ranked #9) could be seeded #9 (if he defends Washington final or #10 of he doesn’t).
In this case USO seeding 'd look more or less like this: Rafa #1, Djokovic #2, Federer #3, Soderling #4, Murray #5, Davydenko #6, Berdych #7,Verdasco #8, Roddick #9 and Tsonga #10.

The R4 opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 13-16. The QF opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 9-12.

So Nadal could have in his draw:

R4 Cilic/Youzhny/Melzer
QF:Roddick/Verdasco/Tsonga/Ferrer
SF:Federer/Murray
Final: Djokovic

Somebody corrects me if i'm wrong.
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Yeah. Expect Nole to get the umpteenth cakewalk draw :lol:
 
dmt said:
Actually instead of relaxing, if Nadal can win a couple of titles and go deep in the us open and possibly win it, then he can build up on his lead even more. If he can do it, its possible that not only will he end this year as no 1 but possibly also next year. If he can gain more points in the hc season then last year, then he'd have less pressure to defend points during the clay/grass season next year.
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I disagree with this dmt, this would be a similar mistake to the one he made in 2009. He went after madrid in 2009 because he felt a win there would guarantee him the year end no. 1. He should turn this now into a rest and rebuild year. Winning by 5000 points vs. 1000 points means little for winning the no. 1 this year but has longer term implications for his health.

Nadal and his team need to realize that federer is in decline and that nadal's hard court game is at a point where he no longer needs to load up in the clay court season. Now that federer is in decline the requirements for the no. 1 have gone down dramatically and he should adjust accordingly-Murray is not very good on clay, djokovic has recurring health problems, and jmdp is hurt. Nadal should also let these guys chase him a little bit, if they are not interested or can't do it, well that's also good to know, that helps nadal manage his resources accordingly.

In early 2008, I had nadal at 4 year end no. 1s in his career and as long as he can control his competitive nature he can do that or even better! :)
 
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meg0529 said:
How exactly do the draws work? I know they put #1 and #2 in opposite side of the draw, and then what, all the evens go on one side and the odds the other? I read a post where someone said after #4 they are randomly distributed?
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1 and 2 are placed on opposite ends of the draw.

3 and 4 are randomly placed in the two semifinal slots.

5-8 are randomly placed in the quarterfinal slots.
 
Max G. said:
1 and 2 are placed on opposite ends of the draw.

3 and 4 are randomly placed in the two semifinal slots.

5-8 are randomly placed in the quarterfinal slots.
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with
seeds 5 & 6 in opposite halves
seeds 7 & 8 in opposite halves
...
seeds 15 & 16 in opposite halves
seeds 31 & 32 in opposite halves
etc
 
Dutch-Guy said:
There is a good possibility that Murray could be seeded #5 if he fails to defend his Montreal title(1000 pts).There is also a good possibilty that Roddick (currently ranked #9) could be seeded #9 (if he defends Washington final or #10 of he doesn’t).
In this case USO seeding 'd look more or less like this: Rafa #1, Djokovic #2, Federer #3, Soderling #4, Murray #5, Davydenko #6, Berdych #7,Verdasco #8, Roddick #9 and Tsonga #10.

The R4 opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 13-16. The QF opponents for players ranked 1-4 'll be players seeded 9-12.

So Nadal could have in his draw:

R4 Cilic/Youzhny/Melzer
QF:Roddick/Verdasco/Tsonga/Ferrer
SF:Federer/Murray
Final: Djokovic

Somebody corrects me if i'm wrong.
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The QTF line up for Nadal is wrong .. He will meet some one from 5-8 seedings.. If i am right one from 5/6 most likely

So This could be the draw as per your ranking scenario

R4 Cilic/Youzhny/Melzer
QF:Murray/Davydenko
SF:Federer/Soderling
Final: Djokovic


Wow looks like another nightmare draw for Nadal .. even more than wimby this year
 
Have to add Berdych could also be a QTF opponent based on his improvement
 
bolo said:
he no longer needs to load up in the clay court season.
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I think what he did this year was fine. Just play the 3 clay masters and skip 500s. I do think he should continue having a somewhat heavy clay season because a) clay is easier on the body anyway and b) that is still his best bet of getting free points.

Getting a lot of points early in the season allows him much more leeway with future decisions. If he has a clear lead ( like this year for example), he can afford to skip some hard court 500s.

Ultimately he doesn't even need to play 18 tournaments if he has a lead that's significant enough!
 
Murray has a lot of points to defend in Canada and in Cincy. But Soderling also played Bastad (Win, 250), Hamburg (R16, 45) and Washington (QF, 90) last year. He bailed out at his first match at Cincy though. Does anybody know what's his schedule this year?

In any case, I also think it's likely Soderling might end up the 4th seed for USO.

A more important situation is Federer's though. He defends QF at Toronto and W in Cincy. Djokovic defends QF at Toronto and F in Cincy. Federer actually has a chance to be No.2 if Djokovic performs poorly and Federer repeats last year.
 
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