Post your favorite videos of you personally serving and volleying

#1
I think watching serve and volley is quite beautiful and while quite difficult to execute at the pro level it is quite within reach of us rec players. As the title says, post videos of yourself serving and volleying. We can look for some common mistakes and common elements that make us successful. I'll start.

 
Last edited:

Curious

Hall of Fame
#3
I think watching serve and volley is quite beautiful an while quite difficult to execute at the pro level it is quite within reach of us rec players. As the title says, post videos of yourself serving and volleying. We can look for some common mistakes and common elements that make us successful. I'll start.

The video stops after the first point!
 
#7
The video stops after the first point!
Yeah it does, I don't serve and volley throughout entire matches. I would have to sort through all my videos and compile all the points where I serve and volley to make a long video. My serve isn't good enough at my level to serve and volley the majority of the time.
 
#8
The video stops after the first point!
But also I think there is something to take away from even a short video like this.

1. I targeted my opponent's weaker wing and kept the serve in the corner.
2. I hit a kicker which gave me time to get in for the volley at around the service line.
3. I split-stepped as my opponent hit his return.
4. I got nice and low for the volley and hit it over the lowest part of the net.
 
#13
Wow, serving and volleying on clay. I haven't played a lot on clay but do you think at the rec level the extra bounce on serves is helpful for getting in closer? Or do you think the extra time that people have to pass makes it more difficult than on hardcourt?
In my experience, the hardest part of serve-and-volleying on clay is that I can't cut as a sharply off of my split step like I am used to doing on hard court. It's actually easier to serve a really effective spin serve on clay, because the clay grabs the ball so much that most of the topspin remains post-bounce, making the serve heavier when it hits the returner's racquet. If you have a good twist serve, S-&-V is a great tactic on clay. It's easy to see how Pat Rafter made a FO semi with a crummy topspin forehand and a crummy backhand.
 
#14
Wow, serving and volleying on clay. I haven't played a lot on clay but do you think at the rec level the extra bounce on serves is helpful for getting in closer? Or do you think the extra time that people have to pass makes it more difficult than on hardcourt?
Net/net - no pun intended - clay makes it harder to do anything at the net, including S&V. The ball tends to sit up for your opponent and, almost more importantly, it's harder to move quickly at the net (both laterally and chasing down lobs) on clay because the footing is worse. So, all net play is more perilous on clay which is why baseliners have tended to dominate the clay court season in the pros for decades.
 
#17
Great video and thanks for sharing. It seems like most of the damage you're doing is with your serve. You have some good pickups but the points where you do really well you've forced a quite weak return.
Actually, I'm much more confident in my volleys than I am in my serve. The problem is really with my opponent - she simply returns better (and has better groundstrokes, in general) than anyone I regularly play with... which is why she's perfect for practicing S&V.
 
#20
In my experience, the hardest part of serve-and-volleying on clay is that I can't cut as a sharply off of my split step like I am used to doing on hard court. It's actually easier to serve a really effective spin serve on clay, because the clay grabs the ball so much that most of the topspin remains post-bounce, making the serve heavier when it hits the returner's racquet. If you have a good twist serve, S-&-V is a great tactic on clay. It's easy to see how Pat Rafter made a FO semi with a crummy topspin forehand and a crummy backhand.
I actually S&V a good amount on my second serve on clay and it's more a true S&V than coming in behind a first on hard courts which is more of a serve and clean up the mess.

J
 
#24
This video is a masterclass in S&V and and approach-shot technique, and possibly my favorite serve and volley performance of all time (admittedly this was not Chang's best level and he was overwhelmed, but he was ranked #2 in world behind Sampras at the time).
Jump to 1:39:15 for the greatest example of high forehand volley putaway technique of all time. Note the high finish.
 
Last edited:

MisterP

Hall of Fame
#25
The biggest difference between clay and hard courts for me is my movement is slightly hampered by the clay. Quick changes of direction are tougher, and that's a problem when S&V because sometimes they hit the return behind/over me. Hard court? no prob. Clay? Prob gon die.
 
#26
The biggest difference between clay and hard courts for me is my movement is slightly hampered by the clay. Quick changes of direction are tougher, and that's a problem when S&V because sometimes they hit the return behind/over me. Hard court? no prob. Clay? Prob gon die.
Clay courts can be so different, dry indoor ones can play like hard courts with bad bounces and dodgy footing, outdoor country clubs with a ton of clay and calcium chloride which are heavily watered can play super slow.

One of them you can smoke aces left and right, the other you just roll your serve in and get in close knowing the return won't have much on it and your touch volleys will just die.

Clay shoes are a HUGE help.

J
 
#29
Clay courts can be so different, dry indoor ones can play like hard courts with bad bounces and dodgy footing, outdoor country clubs with a ton of clay and calcium chloride which are heavily watered can play super slow.

One of them you can smoke aces left and right, the other you just roll your serve in and get in close knowing the return won't have much on it and your touch volleys will just die.

Clay shoes are a HUGE help.

J
How do you figure the footing on a slippery dry clay court is similar to a hard court where you have positive traction? Are you talking about a hard court that is wet?
 

IowaGuy

Hall of Fame
#31
How do you figure the footing on a slippery dry clay court is similar to a hard court where you have positive traction? Are you talking about a hard court that is wet?
Footing also works against your opponent on slippery dry clay court, when you S&V.

i.e. easier to hit behind him/wrong foot him. And easier to drop volley for winners, IME. YMMV.
 
#33
Footing also works against your opponent on slippery dry clay court, when you S&V.

i.e. easier to hit behind him/wrong foot him. And easier to drop volley for winners, IME. YMMV.
For many years I played hard courts and would only play soft courts every now and then for some tournaments. I would complain about trying to adapt to the different surface and would usually manage to slip and fall at least once or twice during each match. Clay court players would tell me that it was harder to switch from clay courts to hard courts than vice versa but I didn't believe them. After I became a steady clay court player I changed my mind. Now when I sometimes go back to the hard courts, and particularly a sticky hard court, I think the transition from soft to hard is more difficult. Going hard to soft I might fall on my butt some but not hurt myself. Going soft to hard I feel that if I'm not careful I can easily roll an ankle and really get hurt. Seems that I remember a couple of years ago at the Aus. Open when the courts were being described as really grainy and sticky they had a rash of ankle injuries.
 
#34
For many years I played hard courts and would only play soft courts every now and then for some tournaments. I would complain about trying to adapt to the different surface and would usually manage to slip and fall at least once or twice during each match. Clay court players would tell me that it was harder to switch from clay courts to hard courts than vice versa but I didn't believe them. After I became a steady clay court player I changed my mind. Now when I sometimes go back to the hard courts, and particularly a sticky hard court, I think the transition from soft to hard is more difficult. Going hard to soft I might fall on my butt some but not hurt myself. Going soft to hard I feel that if I'm not careful I can easily roll an ankle and really get hurt. Seems that I remember a couple of years ago at the Aus. Open when the courts were being described as really grainy and sticky they had a rash of ankle injuries.
I played a few matches on clay when I was in the Volvo league. 3 of the 5 clubs were clay. The state finals were clay. My first point i served ran up and split. And fell on my knee giving a big rasberry. i hated clay ever since.

At state all the old guys who played singles were wiped out from playing the day before. So I got to play singles. Lost in 3. Being a serve and volleyer every strength was neutralized by the court. So I cant disagree with you about footwork and going from clay to hard about footwork, but its much harder for an attacking player to go to the slow courts
 
#42
How do you figure the footing on a slippery dry clay court is similar to a hard court where you have positive traction? Are you talking about a hard court that is wet?
Sorry if my wording wasn't clear, I meant a dry clay court without much clay on it could play as fast as a hard court, while also having bad bounces and slippery footing that the hard court doesn't.

J
 
#44
Sorry if my wording wasn't clear, I meant a dry clay court without much clay on it could play as fast as a hard court, while also having bad bounces and slippery footing that the hard court doesn't.

J
Yeah. I see what you're saying now. The dry clay can be just as fast as hard court plus a couple of negatives. Each summer I go round with our club management because they don't want to water the courts enough to keep them from going too dry. You can still play on them but don't try to make any quick starts.
 
#46
I played a few matches on clay when I was in the Volvo league. 3 of the 5 clubs were clay. The state finals were clay. My first point i served ran up and split. And fell on my knee giving a big rasberry. i hated clay ever since.

At state all the old guys who played singles were wiped out from playing the day before. So I got to play singles. Lost in 3. Being a serve and volleyer every strength was neutralized by the court. So I cant disagree with you about footwork and going from clay to hard about footwork, but its much harder for an attacking player to go to the slow courts
Being an old S&Ver myself the same thing used to happen to me in clay court tourneys. As far as playing problems switching back and forth I'd guess they would be roughly equal - hard to soft or soft to hard. Now when I rarely play on hard court the main problem seems to be the speed. I know and tell myself that the ball is going to come quicker but my muscles don't seem to get the message. If it's a court with a new surface it's not nearly as bad. Now I do switch to a lighter racket and that helps some.
 
Top