Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Larrysümmers, Dec 20, 2010.
It was a guilty pleasure watching that vid.
I stand corrected. It was time for Lee to nut up or shut up, and he did it. Solid serves as well. Before he started, I was cringing about what would happen if they were just god awful, but hey were good!
Thank you, aphex. <333
lol! I don't care... I've finally seen LeeD play tennis. My life is complete.
seriously though, mad props for finally coming through. solid serves as well, both of you. long live LeeD!!!
Glad that this particular topic on TTW had a happy ending. Y'all got to hit some, we got to see some video, and the myth of LeeD has been answered. And his critiques and criticisms should now be valid to those who doubted before.
Now what's the Tips/Instructions section going to become? This 71 page topic has got to be like 50%+ of the activity that goes on here.
Well, the train just needs to keep rolling. People just have to go out and hit with other people and record it. It's not only fun to be able to meet new and different people but you may just learn a thing or two when you see yourself on video.
The tennis tips/instruction section will always have new topics and many old topics that will pop up because there are new tennis players everyday.
Ajtat, nice serve dude!
Thanks. Re-built my serve this year to save my shoulder, too much arm before. Working on more knee bend now.
Yeah I liked your serve a lot. Solid pace and consistent.
nice serving guys, LeeD your placement is sick, I can see it giving a lot of players trouble
Both great serves, thanks for sharing.
since some1 will mention it anyway. will LeeD stand in j0lly's path for the holy paperweight of tt?
Its a very nice serve even now, I imagine when he was younger and playing a lot that serve must have been quite a nice weapon.
Been following this thread for quite some time. To finally see LeeD hit some balls was a pleasure!
I laughed out loud when he nailed the camera!!
I'm a malicious person.
I took the only match recording I have and choose some serves from two games from a single set (similar point of view to the recording above). The recording was not intended to be published. So, a recreational match, average serves during a long process of hard modifications of serve sequence.
LeeD rated me as 3.0 player.
Could you compare both vids and rate him?
Both of your dresses are pretty. Leed's serves looked good. Sennocs serves looked good. At some point it comes down to how you use them. Ajats serves looked good also but it looked like he was hitting topspin serves? I for one am glad to see that Lee has clearly played some tennis in his day. I also agree that he does not look 61, 55 maybe? I would gladly play with any of the three of you, and probably lose
aha now we are talking!
I was wondering when all the nicey nicey stuff are gonna end and some maliciousness will show... low and behold, here it is!
it's public knowledge that Lee's rating scale is off.... I'd rate you at strong 4.0 to 4.5, serve looks real good, but from your other vids, groundies are suspect.
Lee is a falling 4.0, which makes sense.... if you can't move, you can't play..... but that serve alone will let him beat the 3.5s
Give it a rest. Everyone has some vendetta against harsh raters on this site. Guess what? It doesn't matter what they rate you. If the computer and your results say otherwise, let them eat crow.
If you really want to compare the two vids, then what are you really looking for people to say? Your serve certainly isn't bad. Neither is LeeD's. I don't think you hit the ball any harder than him, or have some kind of ridiculous kick or anything. It's just a good serve.
I think I expected way too much out of LeeD's serve..lol. But it is a pretty good serve..reminds me of a guy I hit with yesterday..keeps you on your toes or you will mishit.
I can't even see the ball in sennoc's video.
^Yeah it's hard to track the ball. It sounds nice though but that's what you get playing indoors.
Good serves though.
The thing with LeeD's serves is that it doesn't look like he's going at 100%. Maybe 85%.
I almost felt the same way (expecting too much) before seeing the video, but my experience with my old dogs told me to keep the expectations in check...
so I'd say honestly say that Lee's serve didn't quite live up to the claim of 3-digit speed, but it is a darn good serve for his age.
Yeah, I hit a couple with more topspin to get them in and a couple down the middle that were flatter.
Net is lower in the middle so I can hit flatter. Higher at the edges so I hit more top.
Yeah, it is cool that it happened. Makes this thread epic and legendary.
Awesome video, now we need to see JD play.
Clearly you were not at the tennis court behind John MacDougaldsonerer's house (close to Katelyn Weinenebergensen's farm) on January 3rd 1946 when Lee served 129.6 mph bombs.
LeeD seems to have some knee issues and is not able to give powerful serves and spins. all in all i want to take all the harsh words i stated before. although not what i expected (i was expecting extremely good or extremely pathetic). all in all i can respect the fact you know the theory and you can apply it in someway. LeeD you the man!
You can download full version of my movie and watch it frame by frame. There are small clouds at places where the ball hit the ground, so you can see my placement - when I do not care about it because I work on huge modifications in my serve sequence. So, basically, this is how my serve does look like when it doesn't work.
It's not about vendetta, guys. I know how I play. I also know that 3.0-5.0 players are unable to see many important details in strokes. So, I do not care about LeeD's rating, it's sufficient that all my tennis friends laugh when I say I'm 3.0. It's legendary here - and this is my "vendetta"
It's about validaty. If you read someone's opinion, you have to know, does he know anything about the game or not. Now I see that LeeD knows something about the game. He looks like a decent amateur player, but it seems that his knowledge is based on pure experience. In my opinion, this is not the best kind of knowledge. Without deep understanding amateur player will be 4.0 at best, after spending a lot of money on trainers. I have never had any tennis lesson. I do not copy pro's technique. I use my knowledge to build models, to optimize them and then I compare results with the best players like Federer. So, it's a totally different kind of knowledge about tennis technique than typical LeeD's advice "you are 3.0, you have to remember that one player will prefer this and the other player will prefer that, choose what's the best for you".
^I think you're taking LeeD's rating too seriously. And like many have posted, he's notorious for rating a little lower. It could be that he's from the 70's and standards were a little different back then.
With just looking at your serves that you posted that went in, I would rate your serve at a 4.0-4.5 IMO. When you start to make less than 65-70% of your serves then I would bump that rating down. This is just for your serves.
Also, there are players that play 3.5 that have a 4.0 serve but the remaining part of their game is a 3.0/3.5.
I would not take ratings on these boards that seriously. Also, if you become overly concerned about ratings, you start to limit yourself. Just continue to work on your game and your rating will determine itself when you play.
Well, there is no absolute correct way to do something. Different people can achieve great things with un-conventional technique. Duval in golf, jonny mac in tennis, that one austrailian bowler that bowls with two hands. The important thing is that you want to be comfortable doing it the way your want. Some people want a concrete model to follow, some people what to discover their own techniques, some people are just weekend warriors that don't expect to get better than a 4.0, a lot don't get better than 3.5.
I was pretty impressed, not so much by the serves themselves, but by the easy fluidity with which LeeD moves.
(yes, yes, any twat can see his ankle is crap atm, but watch how light on his feet he is)
and what a great smile!
who's the pro with the 12 racquet thermo?
leed, you are a good sport, but your serves stinks. at least on video, it stinks.
any videos for groundies?
This is a high watermark day for TT
Wow, you saw that from that far away. Bravo! It's mine. It's a 6 racket thermo that goes with my Ncodes. A lot of room for extra junk and video equipment.haha
I know someone at our club that has a bag with wheels on it. It's a Head bag/suitcase. We always rib him about where he's going on his next vacation. haha
To play like a pro you have to look like one!
Ajtat411, you do not understand. I do not care about ratings here. But things go serious when a player rates someone as 3.0, writes 10000 advices on the forum and then publish a video where his serves are slower (than mine VERY AVERAGE serves from a VERY RECREATIONAL match), balls are out and placement and angles are quite typical (for a player who wants to show his placement).
All these things mean that LeeD's advices are worth... less than you think they are.
Its a decent serve, particularly accounting for his age..
I would imagine LeeD would rate LeeD a 3.0 with that footage..
You can rate certain strokes with the NTRP?!
I agree that people that are not qualified should not teach, but this is the internet. People are asking for free advice and so you get what you pay for. Sometimes advice is crappy and sometimes you can actually use it. With advice being free, you have to be able to translate that information into your game if you are looking for improvements for free.
If you post videos and someone posts an opinion, it doesn't mean everyone agrees that it is true. It just an opinion. Does LeeD's advice make him less credible because of a video? Maybe, maybe not. For me it depends on what type of advice he is giving and if it makes sense. For me, no matter who gives the advice, 2.0-7.0, if it makes sense and I agree, then I will give it a try and see what happens because I want to improvement my game...for free. If I decide to pay someone to coach me, they better well have a USPTR certification or similar. Just my $0.02.
Ajtat, admit it, you just brought a lefty friend with you and spent all this time trying to boost his serve ability up so he could pass of as LeeD. you save LeeD's rep and get a boost of your own
LeeD, your serve has finally shown itself. Wish you could bend your knees like you always tell us to do
You got me...that was my dad. I also sped up the video by 1.25X. haha
nice serve, btw
Thank you. 10 char
forgot that the long time also helped to grow out "LeeD"'s hair. Sneaky fellow
Oh My God Lee's Hair Is Glorious
what does this mean?
charizards, aka char, are a random compliment. When someone compliments you, you compliment them "char"s on a scale of 1-10 basically as another "thanks"
actually, it means 10 characters due to the limit
Not sure if you're serious, but when I first got here, I thought it was some English saying. You need 10 characters to make a post.
you can't post anything under 10 characters long, so people add that and variations of it to make their post long enough.
You see this in the results of So Cal Open tournaments all the time, current junior and even college studs getting schooled by guys who are older, who never stopped playing, and are smarter players in their maturity. The juniors are, for their age, WAYYYYY above what the older guys were at that same age, but experience counts for something. Shoot, you see this on the pro tour as well. All the current stars lost to guys in their late 20's and early 30's ranked 150 or something on the way up.
There's a certain type of poster on TTW. Super argumentative, starts fights over everything, in their 40's and 50's, maybe even older, and I just know they're terrible players. They just can't be good AND that clueless at the same time. Like you see posts by young trolls and delusional weirdos on TTW, and hey, unless they wake up one morning and decide they can fly or decide to go on a shooting spree inside a police station, they're going to become old trolls and delusional weirdos. They were never good players, but they want to significant in the world of tennis one way or another, so they've decided to become a self appointed historian of the game. I want to see these dudes play. I'd like to film it, lovingly, slow it down, add a soft filter, and pitch it as a Cialis commercial.
ppl are so nice around here, even on a comparatively malicious thread such as this.
could you imagine asking that same question elsewhere on the internet.
tennis players are generally classy. exception - jester911.
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