pova just posted some new info

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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Which doctor is she referring to anyway? She lives in the US, that medication isn't approved in the US. So her doctor lives in Russia or what? That's a bit weird isn't it? I think she needs to just cool it before she makes things worse for herself.

She may become a person of interest to DHS soon.:D
I'm sure she can find plenty of doctors in Russia that will write any bull she wants for the sake of Russian sport ethics reputation (cough, cough)
 

tennisenthusiast

Hall of Fame
The reality is that if a player accepts a provisional suspension and the hearing exonerates them, then he or she may have suffered what appears to be a silent ban.

But there is no silent ban. The player is guilty of nothing until there is a hearing.

They are given the opportunity to accept a suspension immediately while preparing for their hearing so any penalty starts from that date.

If Nadal or anyone else is injured there is the outside possibiliy that it is covering up the fact they took a provisional suspension.

But if the hearing exonerates them, then they just return as if the injury is over.

And the public is none the wiser about what happened.

Nothing has ever leaked about this ever having happened, to my perhaps outdated knowledge, but it's a possibility under the rules.

This rule exists so the player's reputation is not ruined by a positive control which is later set aside at a hearing.


As quoted above:

Roselyne Bachelot,
former French minister of the health and sport, Interviewed by Grand8 program yesterday, spoke about doping in tennis. According to her, silent ban is a very widespread method.

'They do not reveal nor positive controls nor sanctions given in tennis, but curiously it becomes known that a men's or women's tennis player who gets injured stays far away of the courts for months' - Bachelot said.

Bachelot criticized very much Nadal: "We know that Rafael Nadal's famous injury, that stopped him for seven months, is certainly due to a positive drug test. When you see that a player stays away for months is because he is positive. Not every time, but very often".

Are you saying that injury (innocent until proven) timeouts exist? I am surprised that I did not come across these until now. Pretending to be injured pending drug charge investigation is kinda cover up. Don't you think so? First of all, WADA should not incriminate a player without proper investigation and if they charge a player then there should be no cover up even if the player can go through appeals process.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
You got all that completely wrong:

There is a positive drug test and that equals a hearing.

Until a hearing determines what that test means, you are free to keep playing.

You may choose to accept provisional suspension to prepare for the hearing and so that any penalty is served from the earliest possible date.

What excuse a player gives for not playing is their business.

This is not a cover up. It's designed to protect the player's reputation.

You have to tell a player what's happened so they can prepare for their defence.

You don't have to tell the public because nothing has been proven as yet.

If nothing is ever proven, isn't it fair that the player's reputation was not tarnished due to untested allegations?

Are you saying that injury (innocent until proven) timeouts exist? I am surprised that I did not come across these until now. Pretending to be injured pending drug charge investigation is kinda cover up. Don't you think so? First of all, WADA should not incriminate a player without proper investigation and if they charge a player then there should be no cover up even if the player can go through appeals process.
 
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Fedinkum

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Maria will not go down without striking back. This is her way to say: "Fxxk you ITF, if you wanna play, I am gonna drag a few more top profile players with me!! Go Gal!!!
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
#1) I wish Sharapova had provided the details of her oversight when she had her press conference. Thought she was a bit vague.

#2) On the Dec. 22 email, "Main Changes to Tennis anti-doping policy", Sharapova says she "should have paid more attention to." This... does not help her case with receiving a shorter ban. Why not go into detail about the length and complexity of this email? She did so with the others.

#3) Other than the Dec. 22 email (no excuse), she's got a pretty good case.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The drug's banning was announced in September to give competitors time until it came into force, so where is the notification in September?
 

tennisenthusiast

Hall of Fame
You got all that completely wrong:

There is a positive drug test and that equals a hearing.

Until a hearing determines what that test means, you are free to keep playing.

You may choose to accept provisional suspension to prepare for the hearing and so that any penalty is served from the earliest possible date.

What excuse a player gives for not playing is their business.

This is not a cover up. It's designed to protect the player's reputation.

You have to tell a player what's happened so they can prepare for their defence.

You don't have to tell the public because nothing has been proven as yet.

If nothing is ever proven, isn't it fair that the player's reputation was not tarnished due to untested allegations?

What do you mean by positive drug test?
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
You are wrong, as usual, see my posts for the necessary correction.
Unfortunately, your avalanche of posts on the Pova subject is about all one gets to see around here these days and they all read like they've been conceived under the influence of something much stronger than anything any athlete could have ever doped on :oops: (so, you'll have to excuse me if, as a consequence, I just tend to gloss over them :p)
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Your fact-less, swooning indulgence of Nadal is a love affair of the ages.

Unfortunately, your avalanche of posts on the Pova subject is about all one gets to see around here these days and they all read like they've been conceived under the influence of something much stronger than anything any athlete could have ever doped on :oops: (so, you'll have to excuse me if, as a consequence, I just tend to gloss over them :p)
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
She didn't have a cheap dig at anyone. You truly need to get some facts about the process, even if it is not from me.

I followed the Cilic process to see how it unfolded, so you can do the same.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Of course she would have pretended to be injured if ITF would have allowed it.

The ONLY reason she came forward is to get ahead of the story.

True.

The rest of her post is nonsense. If she knew she was taking any medications or supplements, it's up to her and her team to check them against the list of banned substances. The list apparently comes out at the SAME TIME each and every year and she's been a pro player for 12 years or so.

She has no excuse--she is a walking industry where all of the repeated "boxes" of her professional life are checked. Its all business, so no one--except the most drop-to-the-knee worshipers--would believe that when it came to her drug use, it was an oversight / accident / casual slip up.

With each new excuse, she only adds to her inescapable guilt.

She should just go away and serve out her suspension gracefully.

Impossible, when Sharapova--and everyone around her--have spent a career believing the fantasy of her being above guilt, above questioning, above accountability.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
I wonder if the other 20% of Russian athletes that have this stuff in their systems also have detailed medical records proving they needed it? Lots of heart problems in Russia, even among the healthiest.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
She implied nothing about any other player and she is guilty of nothing until the hearing has concluded.

True.



She has no excuse--she is a walking industry where all of the repeated "boxes" of her professional life are checked. Its all business, so no one--except the most drop-to-the-knee worshipers--would believe that when it came to her drug use, it was an oversight / accident / casual slip up.

With each new excuse, she only adds to her inescapable guilt.



Impossible, when Sharapova--and everyone around her--have spent a career believing the fantasy of her being above guilt, above questioning, above accountability.
 

newpball

Legend
Bad move!

When you are shaved you do not want to move!

barber_p05.jpg


:D
 

tennisfan2015

Hall of Fame
The mystery of silent bans and intentional tanking/match fixing is enveloping the tennis world in the first three months of 2016. What is next? Serial retirements?
 

vernonbc

Legend
Boy, the anti-Nadal brigade is out in all their inglorious glory these days. Maria and Rafa are on good terms and she has spoken out and stood up for him before when the media has treated him badly.

Only those with a one track mind would think she was dissing Rafa when it's Federer who's out with an injury now along with Serena who missed most of six months and Kvitova and half of the women's tour. Wasn't it Halep who announced she was going to have nose surgery and then decided she didn't need it? Did her B sample come back clean?

All this baseless and mindless speculation is ridiculous. I'm not a fan of Maria but I give her credit for standing up and taking full responsibility for this debacle.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
So why do you engage in baseless and mindless speculation of your own concerning Federer and Williams among others?

Would you like to know how to spell 'hypocrisy'?
 

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
True.



She has no excuse--she is a walking industry where all of the repeated "boxes" of her professional life are checked. Its all business, so no one--except the most drop-to-the-knee worshipers--would believe that when it came to her drug use, it was an oversight / accident / casual slip up.

With each new excuse, she only adds to her inescapable guilt.



Impossible, when Sharapova--and everyone around her--have spent a career believing the fantasy of her being above guilt, above questioning, above accountability.


Couldn't agree more. And I'm no hater(all though that's generally what you'll be defined as when not kissing the top players' buttholes).
 

Boom-Boom

Legend
"I won’t pretend to be injured so I can hide the truth about my testing."

Wow, doesn't this imply there are players who would pretend to be injured to hide positive tests? Then again Pova did annouce her injury first then his test result.

Am just wondering what Spanish lefty player she is hinting at o_O
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
She is allowed to stop playing pending a hearing without being named, so she would pretend to have an injury in the interim.

She did not choose this option, but that is what she is referring to.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
What I don't get is why don't they make the latest updated list of banned substances available on a website accessible to all ? They can just say that it is updated monthly/quarterly and it is the job of the players to keep themselves informed by checking that website. Why send email with buried links and then require a login/pwd to access that information ? What is so confidential about it ?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
This will all just be used in court against her...she should stop posting....posting to her fans won't change anything

No it won't. Plus she is not going to court, she goes in front of a tribunal. You think she is posting this without her lawyer's approval? In fact, her lawyer surely wrote it. She is being smart with all of this up front stuff. When have you ever seen an athlete accused of doping do this sort of thing? Usually they deny, deny, deny and never communicate with fans and admit wrongdoing. She's taking control and putting her spin on it.

She will probably receive a short ban. Maybe one year which will be reduced to 6 months?
 

Godfather IV

New User
Fed and Dopa seem like they are on good terms.


The dig was almost certainly directed at Nadal.


What an idiot you are...There are 100s of videos that show Sharapova and Nadal being in good terms.
She was the one who supported and showed her fanism on Nadal when he lost French open last year...she took a dig at the media asking them to show some respect on Nadal.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
What I don't get is why don't they make the latest updated list of banned substances available on a website accessible to all ? They can just say that it is updated monthly/quarterly and it is the job of the players to keep themselves informed by checking that website. Why send email with buried links and then require a login/pwd to access that information ? What is so confidential about it ?

What I don't get is why people just make stuff up like they're running for the GOP Nomination instead of taking 2 seconds to go to the original source and check for themselves.

Of course they post it it. Go to WADA website. It's probably the way many athletes and their advisors (each of who is obligated to be familiar with the list) get the list. And they don't say it's updated monthly/quarterly they say it's updated annually because that's when they update it.

In addition there is an iPhone app.

There is a Wallet Card as well. Get your own at the ITF link below.

Or download the 2016 list which includes changes to the list from the 2015 version.

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/rules/prohibited-list.aspx

You almost have to go out of your way not to get the information. And every single person that advises you on your tennis is ALSO OBLIGATED TO BE AWARE OF THE DOPING RULES AND THE LIST OF BANNED SUBSTANCES.
 
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sbengte

G.O.A.T.
What I don't get is why people just make stuff up like they're running for the GOP Nominarion instead of taking 2 seconds to go to the original source and check for themselves.

Of course they post it it. Go to WADA website. It's probably the way many athletes and their advisors (each of who is obligated to be familiar with the list) get the list. And they don't say it's updated monthly/quarterly they say it's updated annually because that's when they update it.

In addition there is an iPhone app.

There is a Wallet Card as well. Get your own at the ITF link below.

Or download the 2026 list with includes changes to the list from the 2015 version.

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/rules/prohibited-list.aspx

You almost have to go out of your way not to get the information. And every single person that advises you on your tennis IS ALSO OBLIGATED TO BE AWARE OF THE DOPING RULES AND THE LIST OF BANNED SUBSTANCES.

So it is already publicly available from multiple sources. Guess there is no excuse then for being caught with a banned substance in your body. She is making it sound like it is the ITF/WTA's job to make sure she gets the information on banned substances and not her and her team's responsibility to keep themselves informed - which is utterly stupid of her and reeks of an entitled mindset.

I think your post here should be added as a reply to her stupid facebook post.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
SO more excuses + a cheap low blow/anonymous dig
Sharapova the least liked WTA player among her peers being her usual charming self and not about to gain friends anytime soon...

You really need to find a better way to direct your bitterness. You sound like a dumpy woman envious of Sharapova's beauty and money.

She is a doper (like all elite players) but at least she's facing the accusations head on and not denying like 99.9% of pro athletes would do. She says she is not making any excuses for not knowing about the ban. That's not an issue in this case. The only thing she needs to prove is that she took the medication for other health reasons and with her resources I am sure she has a competent team around her that will be able to do that for her. Whether we believe her story or not is irrelevant. We'll never know the whole truth just as we don't know the whole truth about other elite athletes and their "stories" and what goes on behind the scenes.
 
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Deleted member 3771

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Pova has already said that she takes full responsibility so I don't think she did herself any favors by rambling on about the difficulties of searching for the drug info. Although the rant and belting it out on the keyboard probably helped her feel a bit better by blowing a bit of steam. Her feisty response probably makes her look human so it appeals to the emotions of the fans.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
There are no silent bans. But see my posts for a full explanation.

Would you be quiet already. You have no idea if silent bans exist or not. There is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact that they do exist.
 
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Gytha

Legend
What I don't get is why people just make stuff up like they're running for the GOP Nominarion instead of taking 2 seconds to go to the original source and check for themselves.

Of course they post it it. Go to WADA website. It's probably the way many athletes and their advisors (each of who is obligated to be familiar with the list) get the list. And they don't say it's updated monthly/quarterly they say it's updated annually because that's when they update it.

In addition there is an iPhone app.

There is a Wallet Card as well. Get your own at the ITF link below.

Or download the 2026 list with includes changes to the list from the 2015 version.

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/rules/prohibited-list.aspx

You almost have to go out of your way not to get the information. And every single person that advises you on your tennis is ALSO OBLIGATED TO BE AWARE OF THE DOPING RULES AND THE LIST OF BANNED SUBSTANCES.

Yep. I'm sorry but clicking links and reading isn't difficult, no matter how she makes it out to be. Especially when, y'know, your whole career and stuff depends on knowing this information. And if it was too difficult or time consuming for her, then are they seriously saying there wasn't a member of her huge team who couldn't keep on top of this information for her? No way.

Ignorance isn't a defence.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
?..She is making it sound like it is the ITF/WTA's job to make sure she gets the information on banned substances and not her and her team's responsibility to keep themselves informed...

Exactly.

But she's in a tough spot and you go with the defenses you think are available.

I would be looking into at this point whether a retroactive TUE is available even if an athlete tests positive and both the athlete and her team ignored their obligations to stay informed about the banned list (or in the case of the team members who knew failed to pass on the info).

http://www.itftennis.com/media/203571/203571.pdf

Messed up TUE summary. If the "and" applies to all three circumstances than she is hosed because of #2. If it means any one or more of the three then they will grant them whenever they like and there is hope though I think it unlikely to be granted under these circumstances and in the climate that tennis finds itself in these days.
 
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billnepill

Hall of Fame
I am not following this story as close as I should probably. So what is the evil conspiracy? She was taking this drug while legal for ages for, reportedly, controversial reasons. Worst case scenario, she did not have a medical condition and she was taking a legal drug to get ahead. Wouldn't pros do that all the time? High altitude chambers, supplements and all? Are you surprised that a pro in a competitve sport would use all legal means to advance?
Or is the evil conspiracy that she knew about the recent ban and continued taking the drug in a way to get caught? That would be stupid, wouldn't it?
She messed up and has to be punished but provided there aren't angles I am missing, this story has been blown out of proportion.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I know they don't exist. You are dealing with bureaucracies. They don't operate like the mafia. So take your conspiratorial fantasies somewhere else.

Would you be quiet already. You have no idea if silent bans exist or not. There is certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to the fact that they do exist.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Sharapova should know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.

No one is aware of everything that is illegal but that is NOT a defense if you break the law.
 
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