duaneeo
Legend
Sharapova said that she "won't pretend to be injured so I can hide the truth about my testing". You think she's suggesting Federer didn't actually have surgery?
Sharapova said that she "won't pretend to be injured so I can hide the truth about my testing". You think she's suggesting Federer didn't actually have surgery?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
No, Sharapova's remark can be related only to suspicious "injury breaks".
Federer's current absence after surgery is not one of them.
duaneeo
Legend
Exactly.
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Deleted member 3771
Guest
I am ROFLMAOing all the way through her "statements" and the posts of some of the posters here.
She doesn't check her E-mails?
Does anyone actually believe her, when she says that she deals with this stuff personally?
And if she did, where is her license as a pharmacologist or an actual physician?
Such stuff is usually handled by her coaches and her medical team.
And, does ANYONE actually believes that a pro athlete (and ESPECIALLY one of her caliber) is rolling the dice when dealing with doping regulations, ESPECIALLY when using regularly all sorts of medicines for her health problems?
She was given even leaflets about her responsibilities, but she didn't read "the thousands of words some of them in the small print".
I know she probably find it difficult to read, but this is just WOW worthy.
I will very much enjoy, when the lying **** is put in its right place.
Here is a fictitious, but possible scenario that could explain the reason why she didn't have anyone else to check the list for her:
Here's what might have gone down in 2006:
Back in 06 Yuri and Pova get Pova onto this drug to help her grow into a giant, as it was originally patented as an animal growth agent, and to help develop better endurance like the original users, the soviet super soldiers. Her use of meldonium could be a family secret. The family (Yuri and her) could have researched this drug and then found a dodgy Russian doctor that they knew to get her onto it, under the false pretense of those health issues.
In this scenario none of Pova's coaches, team, or any of her other doctors or medical people would know anything about her ever being on meldonium, so no one else could check the banned list for her.
So now she couldn't blame her team if she didn't tell any of them that she was on this drug. She can only put the blame on herself and use an excuse like not checking her email which might be true as she could have become too complacent to check the list after being on this good stuff for 10 years while it was legal.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I don't think that can be the situation.
Firstly, to be a family secret she will have to do EVERYTHING related to the drug secretly. This would have put enormous pressure on her (getting the drug to her in the USA, no traces on medical records and tests, complete isolation of the issue from her coaching staff and more importantly, medical advisors).
Secondly, if that was the case she wouldn't come out the way she did, because, you know, she cannot prove her statements from her press conference and that is taking it a bit too far as far as the credibility of her words is concerned (and she needs all of it right now, if she is to survive).
Can you imagine, if, after her statements, her doctor was to come out and say "no, we have no knowledge of such issues, nor have we been ever consulted on such matters". It will be a disaster for her.
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Deleted member 3771
Guest
I don't think that can be the situation.
Firstly, to be a family secret she will have to do EVERYTHING related to the drug secretly. This would have put enormous pressure on her (getting the drug to her in the USA, no traces on medical records and tests, complete isolation of the issue from her coaching staff and more importantly, medical advisors).
Secondly, if that was the case she wouldn't come out the way she did, because, you know, she cannot prove her statements from her press conference and that is taking it a bit too far as far as the credibility of her words is concerned (and she needs all of it right now, if she is to survive).
Can you imagine, if, after her statements, her doctor was to come out and say "no, we have no knowledge of such issues, nor have we been ever consulted on such matters". It will be a disaster for her.
she kept it secret from the russian tennis federation doctors, so who knows if she told anyone at all.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
The athletes that deny doping accusations has not been caught red handed.
She was, so it is a damage control kind of "facing the accusations head on".
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
...well....a couple of people are still performing gymnastics for the truth challenged in order to sell her mountain of you-know-what.
...well......you know.....for all of the questions you post--all based on sound reasoning, some are still determined to protect a false image, even if it destroys the credibility of the sport they claim to enjoy. ...or perhaps the false image is what they actually enjoy, after all, you hardly hear them discuss her career.
She was given even leaflets about her responsibilities, but she didn't read "the thousands of words some of them in the small print".
I know she probably find it difficult to read, but this is just WOW worthy.
I will very much enjoy, when the lying **** is put in its right place.
Indeed.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Who cares if she's has no friends on the tour? Does she profess to? Better that than a Wozniacki who goes off drinking with her opponent when vanquished. Fair enough if she'd won something important at any point -but it's as if it really is just about the taking part. More fool her, unless she's comfortable with that, then fair play.
Thriller
Hall of Fame
The reverse is also true. If they retest her previous samples and they show traces of meldonium and she didn't declare it on the corresponding form, that would establish a pattern of deceit going back possibly 10 years and a 4 year ban would be inevitable.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
I don't think it's symmetrical.
Certainly it would be favorable facts for her if she's been disclosing it all along.
However, there is no obligation (though it may be encouraged) to disclose taking substances not banned. I think describing not disclosing it as "establish a pattern of deceit" is the harshest interpretation and not reasonable given the rules.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
None of your arguments have any plausibility. You've started from the proposition that she is lying. And everything falls in line with that.
I am ROFLMAOing all the way through her "statements" and the posts of some of the posters here.
She doesn't check her E-mails?
Does anyone actually believe her, when she says that she deals with this stuff personally?
And if she did, where is her license as a pharmacologist or an actual physician?
Such stuff is usually handled by her coaches and her medical team.
And, does ANYONE actually believes that a pro athlete (and ESPECIALLY one of her caliber) is rolling the dice when dealing with doping regulations, ESPECIALLY when using regularly all sorts of medicines for her health problems?
She was given even leaflets about her responsibilities, but she didn't read "the thousands of words some of them in the small print".
I know she probably find it difficult to read, but this is just WOW worthy.
I will very much enjoy, when the lying **** is put in its right place.
tennis4me
Hall of Fame
Mladenovic lashing at Sharapova. We will probably hear more drama as more players got interviewed and asked their opinions on Sharapova.
Sorry, in French only:
http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/le-scan-...denovic-maria-sharapova-est-une-tricheuse.php
Also, reportedly Sharapova is already getting an offer from a Russian lingerie brand according to LifeNews - a Russian news site:
http://lifenews.ru/news/189697
At the end of the day, with sponsors it's all about economics. Unless the offense is so grave and the public pressure is too immense, companies will most likely stand behind their athletes, especially their top athletes.
Nike stayed with Tiger, but suspends Masha
Head stayed with Masha. ... and Murray criticized Head - maybe he's looking for another sponsor or already have another sponsor lined up.
Tennis is becoming like daytime soap. Betting scandals, doping, Kyrgios. What's next?
Sorry, in French only:
http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/le-scan-...denovic-maria-sharapova-est-une-tricheuse.php
Also, reportedly Sharapova is already getting an offer from a Russian lingerie brand according to LifeNews - a Russian news site:
http://lifenews.ru/news/189697
At the end of the day, with sponsors it's all about economics. Unless the offense is so grave and the public pressure is too immense, companies will most likely stand behind their athletes, especially their top athletes.
Nike stayed with Tiger, but suspends Masha
Head stayed with Masha. ... and Murray criticized Head - maybe he's looking for another sponsor or already have another sponsor lined up.
Tennis is becoming like daytime soap. Betting scandals, doping, Kyrgios. What's next?
Vanhool
Hall of Fame
I don't care if Maria has friends on tour or not, but why would you say her way is better than Woz? Didn't Chrissie and Martina used to go on ski trips, etc., together before Martina's coach got her to stop being friends? Woz is (I think) the only player to visit Serena after her embolism, Serena cheered Woz up after her breakup...what kind of friend would Woz be if, after Serena achieved the milestone of tying Chrissie and Martina, she said "Congrats, but I'm too butthurt to go celebrate with you."?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
You can accept she's telling the truth about both not checking emails or otherwise personally obtaining and/or reviewing the info and also accept that she was taking the drugs for reasons of medical necessity and still, as I do, find it highly implausible that her entire team including medical and non-medical let this slip by when they owe it to her and are required by the rules to keep on top of this. As far as I know, she never mentioned her team.
You've never really addressed that and I'd be curious what you think ? Highly implausible doesn't mean impossible so I'm all ears.
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I don't know if I buy that. Ever since 2003 (excluding 2009), she played in at least one tournament immediately following the Australian Open....including Fed Cup. This year, she didn't play in a single tournament. Not to mention that she pulled out of Fed Cup (first from singles, then doubles).
She's "genuinely injured", and failed a drug test at the same time? I don't buy it, given the trend in her career following the AO. She was probably tipped off about her failed drug test and decided not to enter into anything (using the injury cover-up) while awaiting her fate.
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mellowyellow
Legend
Well it is the same injury ending last year, and she used that injury in Brisbane this year. You could be right, however she pulled out of Qatar 2/10/16 citing that injury. Are you suggesting she knew then of the test?
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
She is one of dozens of athletes caught by this ban so that is some sort of indication that a lot of people were unaware and that her story is indeed plausible.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Agreed. Notice the hypocrisy here: some are now trying to defend Sharapova not having any friends on tour, however this is the same board where the usual suspects have tried to attack Serena using the lie that she has no friends on tour and/or is not liked--a negative character judgement. While Serena is well like on tour and has friends, Sharapova does not, but the usual suspects will never judge her for that, now saying it does not matter.
We know why that double standard exists.
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
You're almost like Mainad when it comes to Murray...
I think one of the reasons people got on Wozi's case is because she hasn't won anything important. Being friends with Serena is the closest she's ever gonna get to a slam. Maybe it gives off the idea that she lacks killer instinct or something. Maria may not have friends, but that's her approach and it's worked for her in the sense that she's won all of the slams. Not that I'm defending or advocating for either approach. I don't really care if the girls on tour are friends or not.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
LOL.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
I'm saying that's what she means.
Whether you believe that or not is not what I'm arguing about.
Well, how do you know exactly what she meant by it? The fact that she suggested that it's even possible to "hide the truth" by claiming injury leads me to believe that it actually happens. The entire thing comes off as incredibly bitter which is why I took it to mean that she's hinting at others.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
What a great post. Sensible and level headed.
@Vanhool as usual, if I don't always (often
) agree with you I ALWAYS respect your opinion because your not ridiculously so pro conspiracy theories when it comes to Serena like the uber fans who invariably try to slur a posters character. When I posted about Wozniacki being friendly I did think about Evert/Navratilova, but when they became really good friends they had both already had approx ten major titles each... and went on to win many more.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
It's the more obvious meaning between the two, and unless there is reason to think otherwise, that's how we should take it to mean. A video would have been more useful to gauge her tone as she said this, of course.
And there have been examples of silent bans in the past, re Cilic, so if she had been suggesting it, it won't be news. There's also the chance that she may have been referring to him as well rather than someone different.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
There is no such thing as a silent ban. The athlete can choose to take a provisional suspension, but nothing ever is made officially public until a hearing is held. So they have to invent an excuse for not playing.
But if they wanted they can keep playing as could Sharapova.
But if they wanted they can keep playing as could Sharapova.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
...which is all irrelevant in judging her character. It is clear anyone attacking her because of her friendship with Serena (like one member in this thread--known for constant attacks on Serena Williams--or anyone associated with her, then pretend he does not attack her) has an agenda based on a unjustified defense of Sharapova, while in typically hypocritical fashion, assail others for the same reason.
Reasons.
Illogical. Sharapova's bad personality / lack of friends on tour is not measured and considered as having any bearing on her ability to win majors. Moreover, when an alleged bad personality is draped on other players, it is nothing except a damning criticism...but not in Sharapova's case. Some (not meaning you) will say anything to defend her, particularly since one has a long, soiled history of attacking her rival. There's no coincidence there.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
SQA333
Hall of Fame
Are you talking about the WAM-bulance?
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
I'm inclined to agree with you, however you might have defined what a silent ban is, sort of. The ban isn't enforced by the authorities, rather the player can choose to "ban" him/herself from the tour until the process plays out. The problem here, as some including Andy Murray have pointed out, is that no disclosure has to be made. Sharapova might have indeed chosen to stay "injured" and let chips fall*, work something out with ITF in the process. We wouldn't know if she didn't decide to come out.
Unfortunately we also have the Agassi example here where he apparently wrote a letter to the authorities wanting to get away with it, and he got away with it.
*disclaimer: I find that line in latest Sharapova statement highly distateful.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Cmon give Pova a break and just give her 4 month ban. She is too GOOD for tennis. and she is Too beautiful for tennis too. She must stay in Tennis to make WTA popular, otherwise WTA may go bankrupt
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
There is no ban, however, it just makes sense to absent yourself because if you do get an official suspension then you've already served a lot of time plus it takes all your energy to mount a defence.
People around here mean by silent ban that they have been found guilty of drug taking and are just allowed to absent themselves by saying they are injured.
If you are found guilty at a hearing, you are publicly named.
The non-disclosure is not a problem for the simple reason that you are guilty of nothing until the hearing happens, so why drag someone's name through the mud!
The only way around Murrray's concern is to not allow the time of the suspension to begin any earlier than the end of the hearing.
There would still be no disclosure but the player would play on presumably as there is no upside to not doing so.
People around here mean by silent ban that they have been found guilty of drug taking and are just allowed to absent themselves by saying they are injured.
If you are found guilty at a hearing, you are publicly named.
The non-disclosure is not a problem for the simple reason that you are guilty of nothing until the hearing happens, so why drag someone's name through the mud!
The only way around Murrray's concern is to not allow the time of the suspension to begin any earlier than the end of the hearing.
There would still be no disclosure but the player would play on presumably as there is no upside to not doing so.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
That is all fine and dandy, but it is how the world of the pro sport works.
Such information is not dealth with on a personal basis, let alone noone else being responsible for cheching it within a team of highly paid, highly organized athlete.
You are just arguing to allow yourself a leeway for speculations.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
She will lose.
What do you mean by Sharapova will lose? Lose how? You think they will give her a 2-4 year ban? I don't think so. She'll probably get a year ban which could be reduced.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
She will lose , if she tries to appeal whatever ban the anti-doping authorities and CAS (if it comes to this) impose on her.
And she will lose in civil court, if she tries to sue WADA or any other organization over this.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
She will lose , if she tries to appeal whatever ban the anti-doping authorities and CAS (if it comes to this) impose on her.
And she will lose in civil court, if she tries to sue WADA or any other organization over this.
Lose what though? Are you saying you think she will receive the maximum ban from the tribunal--i.e. 4 years?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
No, I don't expect her to be banned for more than 2 years and, IMO, depending on how she works with WADA, she will receive a ban anywhere between 6 months and 2 years.
She will lose the appeal and a legal battle in civil court, should she choose to do that.
D
Deleted member 688153
Guest
Why is everyone losing it over this the last few days?
I actually know though - it's because nothing interesting ever really happens in this sport (or at least hasn't for ages), so we latch onto whatever we can.
I'm glad I've got uni to keep me busy and I don't need to man the keyboard here for hours, nursing a Red Bull, to get through the day.
I actually know though - it's because nothing interesting ever really happens in this sport (or at least hasn't for ages), so we latch onto whatever we can.
I'm glad I've got uni to keep me busy and I don't need to man the keyboard here for hours, nursing a Red Bull, to get through the day.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
No, I don't expect her to be banned for more than 2 years and, IMO, depending on how she works with WADA, she will receive a ban anywhere between 6 months and 2 years.
She will lose the appeal and a legal battle in civil court, should she choose to do that.
If she is banned for 2 years, I think her career is over. She'll be 31 when she is eligible to come back. She was already on the way down in the rankings before this happened. Two years from now, I'm guessing Serena is retired and women's tennis has continued to evolve.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I think that she will be able to negotiate a better deal and maybe serve a one year ban.
In any case, she is not going to consistently be a top player ever again, if she is banned for any period now.
I would imagine that the consequences of the recent event will also decrease her willingness to meet as often with her co-workers on the Tour.
Her best move is to retire shortly after she has the right to play tennis again.
Knowing her, she will try to make it a "in your face" retirement, but not from a tennis point of view.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Here is what Dick Pound, the former chief of WADA has to say about the Sharapova case on video:
http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_/id/14935076/dick-pound-says-sharapova-was-reckless-description
http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_/id/14935076/dick-pound-says-sharapova-was-reckless-description
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
"The ITF said Sharapova, who now faces a ban from the sport, had been informed of the positive test on 2 March and she will be provisionally suspended from 12 March".
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...failed-drugs-test-australian-open-2016-tennis
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
A WADA spokesman said: “WADA is aware of the ongoing case. As is our normal process, and in order to protect the integrity of the case, WADA will refrain from commenting further until a decision has been issued by the ITF. Following that, WADA will review the reasons for the decision and subsequently decide whether or not to use its independent right of appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).
“We can confirm that meldonium was added to the 2016 Prohibited List which took effect on 1 January 2016, having previously been on WADA’s monitoring program for the duration of 2015. Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.”
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...failed-drugs-test-australian-open-2016-tennis
“We can confirm that meldonium was added to the 2016 Prohibited List which took effect on 1 January 2016, having previously been on WADA’s monitoring program for the duration of 2015. Meldonium was added [to the Prohibited List] because of evidence of its use by athletes with the intention of enhancing performance.”
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...failed-drugs-test-australian-open-2016-tennis
HRB
Hall of Fame
I don't think she is hinting at anything necessarily except the fact that this was mentioned about her, however..who had a real long layoff and came back skinnier and worse? Hint..picks at their ass cheeks after each point.
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