Power and spin: lead added high in the hoop vs extended length

Crashbaby

Rookie
An extended length racquet provides a higher sweet spot position, this extra leverage results in more power and spin. That’s what we’re often told. Wouldn’t a small amount of lead at 12 also physically move the sweet spot up and also give more added leverage, but with the benefit of less real estate above that sweet spot? I’m thinking that is a more aerodynamic package that should be easier to swing assuming they have similar swing weight. I suppose I’m questioning the need/ benefit of extended length.

Related to the above adding of weight option, What are the negatives in having a sweet spot higher or lower than the middle of the racquet? This is of great interest to me also as I often add leather and about 4 g of lead in the hoop, this often results in the balance being more headlight and presumably moving the sweet spot down. If the sweet spot moves down, I have just reduced the available leverage and therefore power? Or does leverage have less effect than the swing weight I added through the added lead?
 

AJvR

Rookie
In my experience the main benefit of an extended length racquet is the extra reach, the extra leverage is just a spin-off. If you get more shots where you have to reach than body shots, then an extended length racquet might be beneficial to your game.

Regarding the sweet spot, I think moving the sweetspot up or down by the use of lead is effective but the negatives will probably be a smaller sweet spot, loss of power, more shanking and worse feel because of the racquet head shape, the middle is just the best place to hit imho, so if you want a higher sweetspot I think it's better to go extended as it keeps the sweet spot where it belongs.
 

Crashbaby

Rookie
If the sweet position is the same for both then wouldn’t the leverage be the same?
I do ageee with moving away from the centre has to have drawbacks, thanks for responding :)
 

Miki 1234

Semi-Pro
In my experience the main benefit of an extended length racquet is the extra reach, the extra leverage is just a spin-off. If you get more shots where you have to reach than body shots, then an extended length racquet might be beneficial to your game.

Regarding the sweet spot, I think moving the sweetspot up or down by the use of lead is effective but the negatives will probably be a smaller sweet spot, loss of power, more shanking and worse feel because of the racquet head shape, the middle is just the best place to hit imho, so if you want a higher sweetspot I think it's better to go extended as it keeps the sweet spot where it belongs.
What about the comfort do you feel any difference on longer racquet.
 

Kevo

Legend
I think you kind of have to take these things on a case by case basis. Usually you get a little more power and a little more flex on an extended frame. I don't know that spin is necessarily improved, although it could be. Lead at the end of the frame is going to change swing weight. Will it accomplish the same thing as a longer frame? I think that depends on what you are wanting to accomplish. It's definitely not going to be exactly the same, but it could improve certain aspects. You still have to evaluate each setup on it's own merits. Sometimes the extended version of a frame is different enough that it won't follow conventional wisdom.

Personally I've played with a couple of extended frames for a good length of time, and I'm not sure that it made any significant difference in my performance. Having had experience with them, for me it's not a significant factor. To me the most important thing is to have a frame that I like the feel of hitting with. That's primary. If I had two frames with the only difference being the length and I liked the feel of one over the other that's what I would pick. I wouldn't expect the difference in outcome of shots to be significant enough to sway my decision. If they felt the same, then I'd probably evaluate which one seemed to perform better for me on serve and I'd pick that one. For me that would most likely be the one with the lower swing weight unless both were pretty low already. Then it'd probably be the extended version.
 

AJvR

Rookie
What about the comfort do you feel any difference on longer racquet.
I do not feel any difference in comfort between standard and extended. I played both the 27" and 27,5" Babolat Pure Storm Ltd GT, and the TF40 before and after extension.
 

Miki 1234

Semi-Pro
I do not feel any difference in comfort between standard and extended. I played both the 27" and 27,5" Babolat Pure Storm Ltd GT, and the TF40 before and after extension.
Are you sensitive to such things as comfort ?
Sorry for asking coz i had both shoulder and elbow problems so i really need to be careful with changing stuff.
 

AJvR

Rookie
Are you sensitive to such things as comfort ?
Sorry for asking coz i had both shoulder and elbow problems so i really need to be careful with changing stuff.
Not in the way that I am prone to shoulder, arm, elbow or wrist problems. I also played PDT+ and PA+ but found them way too stiff and therefore lacking feel / touch, but they, even the 74 RA PDT+ did not cause me injury problems. That being said, I think technique plays a role in this, a lot of extended frames come with higher swing weights, and if you treat them like lower swing weight frames you might get in trouble, you need to let the swing weight work for you with loose strokes like any higher swing weight stick, once you do that it plays comfortable and it's very nice crushing through the ball with it. I put a lot more work in my strokes (to get high swing speed) when hitting with my 320 SW PSLGT+ than with my 340 SW CX200+. I am pushing the PSLGT+ while I am pulling the CX200+, at least it feels that way.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
An extended length racquet provides a higher sweet spot position, this extra leverage results in more power and spin. That’s what we’re often told. Wouldn’t a small amount of lead at 12 also physically move the sweet spot up and also give more added leverage, but with the benefit of less real estate above that sweet spot? I’m thinking that is a more aerodynamic package that should be easier to swing assuming they have similar swing weight. I suppose I’m questioning the need/ benefit of extended length.

Related to the above adding of weight option, What are the negatives in having a sweet spot higher or lower than the middle of the racquet? This is of great interest to me also as I often add leather and about 4 g of lead in the hoop, this often results in the balance being more headlight and presumably moving the sweet spot down. If the sweet spot moves down, I have just reduced the available leverage and therefore power? Or does leverage have less effect than the swing weight I added through the added lead?
My two cents is that swing weight from length is not the same as swingweight from added lead.
 
My two cents is that swing weight from length is not the same as swingweight from added lead.
that’s been my experience as well. I think it’s because while you are swinging with a longer lever, which increases racquet head speed and swingweight, the distribution of mass isn’t changed like it is with lead tape. I typically play with a SW in the 350’s, but when I first tried an extended length racquet of the same model and specs I found there to be less stability and plough through. I ended up adding lead until the SW was close to 380 before it felt like my regular 27in racquet.
 

Kevo

Legend
I do not feel any difference in comfort between standard and extended. I played both the 27" and 27,5" Babolat Pure Storm Ltd GT, and the TF40 before and after extension.
Those are two different situations. The PSL is pretty soft to begin with, but I did notice a slight difference in flex when testing them side by side. The extended version was a bit more comfy, but nothing that a slight change in string tension couldn't account for. I owned them both for a period of time and strung them the same back to back just to test which one I wanted to keep. I doubt I would have noticed much difference or been sure of my conclusion if I hadn't been able to test them side by side.
 
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