Power Play League #4 (PPL) - Wimbledon 2010

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Welcome to the fourth installment of the Power Play League. We had a good showing at our last Grand Slam (PPL #2) and we hope that we'll have an even bigger crowd for Wimbledon!

The player/participant picks the winner of a fixed number of matches based on the provided scoring points. The objective of each tournament is to to choose matches that will give you the highest total score.

For Wimbledon, as it's a Grand Slam, we'll be picking any 32 matches (not all from one round) out of total of 127. All matches will be posted in the thread with scoring points and will also be available in the league file. Please read the Instructions and FAQ for further details. We hope you all join and we can make this bigger and better than our previous three events!

Rankings Points to be Assigned for SW19:​
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Overall Rankings: The Top Ten
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League File: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuAGbSw9J3gzdDRRb0RHVUFmRk5YaXduSU9SYks0S1E&hl=en#gid=20

Past Power Play League Tournaments: https://spreadsheets1.google.com/ccc?key=tzQCC0QZxhgElMXaZj1eqsw&hl=en#gid=4

Below you will find a "Questions & Suggestions File" - Please let us know of any questions/suggestions that you may have. This is a new league and while we do like the idea/concept of it, we're willing to make it even better than it already is!

Questions & Suggestions: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dElSWU5IMno1QnlINGpsOW56eDFVWlE6MQ#gid=0

Please post in this thread if you'll be playing and we will add your name to the file. Have fun!
 
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Ok guys, as promised, here is the new thing that we are introducing here to the league.

For this tournament, we are going to use this as a test run. This spreadsheet will keep track of all of your picks throughout the entire tournament. We (NYKings, Seffina and I) are asking you guys to do TWO posts:

1) Here on the forums
2) On the spreadsheet on the link below.

This spreadsheet is editable by you guys as long as you guys have a gmail account. Its based on the honour system, so ensure that you ONLY post and/or edit YOUR picks only.

Rules:
- make your picks on the forums BEFORE you put them on the spreadsheet
- if you want to edit your picks, QUOTE your original posts and then make state the change. Then you can proceed to make the change on the spreadsheet
- NYKings, Seffina and I will keep track of who makes the changes. If we see that you rigged your own picks OR someone else's picks, we (the game's moderators) will decide the appropriate punishment for the person.

We hope that you will use this spreadsheet.

If there are any further questions, please ask on the boards for further clarifications.

Thanks!

Power Play League Players Picks
 
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In ofc.
Suggestion for the spreadsheet: add a column showing average points for correct picks. Sort of indicates the level of risktaking.

And btw: at Q/H im above Seffina although we both have 218 pts. What's the tiebreaker?
 
Locotus said:
And btw: at Q/H im above Seffina although we both have 218 pts. What's the tiebreaker?
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Your 18-6 overall record over her 14-10 overall record. She got 58.33% of the matches correct and you got 75.00% correct. That's why you're ahead on the spreadsheet.
 
At this point forward, I'm going to be creating a spreadsheet tracker to keep track of all warnings and suspensions.

This whole entire issue has regarding the rankings HAS BEEN RESOLVED. The other mods and I will be talking about this later on when we have everything (FAQs, spreadsheets) up on the boards.

Thanks
 
NYKings said:
Your 18-6 overall record over her 14-10 overall record. She got 58.33% of the matches correct and you got 75.00% correct. That's why you're ahead on the spreadsheet.
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Thx. That makes sense, logically. Even though it indicates that I played more safe than her, something Im not quite sure should be awarded in any way :-|

But there's no better way to break a tie, no?
 
Locotus said:
Thx. That makes sense, logically. Even though it indicates that I played more safe than her, something Im not quite sure should be awarded in any way :-|

But there's no better way to break a tie, no?
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Not that we can think of. However, if you do have a suggestion on the improvement to break ties, please suggest it!:)
 
Im not quite sure. It's just that I don't feel comfortable winning by being the "safer" player :)

An alternative could be some way of weighing the correct picks, aka the player who picked the final right, if both: the most SFs right and so on. On the other hand, keep it simple....

Any thoughts from the other participants?
 
Well, another choice would be to take in consideration the best average score of the winning picks. Something that has been addressed in this thread, and I think is gonna have it's own panel in the spreadsheet.
 
Locotus said:
Thx. That makes sense, logically. Even though it indicates that I played more safe than her, something Im not quite sure should be awarded in any way :-|

But there's no better way to break a tie, no?
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A win is a win. Who knows how we each make our picks? Sometimes I actually flip a coin if the two are close.

If we start giving more weight to one kind of win over another kind of win, we'll be lost in the mire of discussions like "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"

percentage of correct guesses is one mathematical method. we can make it the person with the worst picking percentage if you like. just so long as it's something objective, rather than subjective.

NYKings mentioned in the very beginning that each type of guess (the bold versus the safe) can hold it's own perils when it comes to the bottom line, and he's right.
 
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Locotus said:
In ofc.
Suggestion for the spreadsheet: add a column showing average points for correct picks. Sort of indicates the level of risktaking.

And btw: at Q/H im above Seffina although we both have 218 pts. What's the tiebreaker?
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Hmm.. good idea. Just added it. AvgC is Average of the Correct Picks while AvgO is the overall average. I put in an example as well, if you want to look at it.

HTML link and if you want to see the formula: League File.

It's this if you're curious: =sum(range)/index(frequency(range,{0}),2)


Locotus said:
Thx. That makes sense, logically. Even though it indicates that I played more safe than her, something Im not quite sure should be awarded in any way :-|

But there's no better way to break a tie, no?
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That's true as well. It depends on what we value more in the PPL. Higher risk taking or getting more matches correct. If we use the average points for correct picks as a tiebreaker, then we don't really need the percentage column at all.

Locotus said:
Im not quite sure. It's just that I don't feel comfortable winning by being the "safer" player :)

An alternative could be some way of weighing the correct picks, aka the player who picked the final right, if both: the most SFs right and so on. On the other hand, keep it simple....

Any thoughts from the other participants?
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The weighing is too complicated, IMO. You're free to make your picks whenever. It's too complicated if we require someone to make them at certain junctures. Then they don't have complete freedom which is one of the facets of this particular game that I enjoy.

Li Ching Yuen said:
Well, another choice would be to take in consideration the best average score of the winning picks. Something that has been addressed in this thread, and I think is gonna have it's own panel in the spreadsheet.
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Like I said above, I'm not against this. I only got about 1/2 my picks correct while Locotus got about 3/4ths of his(?) correct and we ended up with the same points. So it's just a matter of what "should" we value more.

I am on the fence personally because I don't know if it is fair to reward either strategy. They should both (the slow and steady way as well as the risky way) be viable options.

Let me know w/i an hour, though, so I can get it in the FAQ before I have to head out.
 
I think this game is about the big points. So yeah, I think the average score for the winning picks should be the TB rule.

Anyone else join me on this?
 
I don't really care one way or the other, since it hardly ever comes up.

the only hesitancy I have about making average score the decider is that it is a function of the tennis player's world ranking and not of the PPL participant's prowess at picking winners.
 
dcdoorknob said:
Ok still haven't gotten to anything juicy yet in that thread, give me a little more time. No one called you a redneck did they?

:shock:;)
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Please do not bring up this conversation again. We have discussed this a numerous amount of times yesterday. I do not want to bring it up again! Okay? Thanks.

If you are curious to know what happened, please just read the thread, but please keep all comments to yourself.

If you have an opinion, comment or suggestion, click on my name and you can send me a private e-mail.

Thanks
 
seffina said:
Hmm.. good idea. Just added it. AvgC is Average of the Correct Picks while AvgO is the overall average. I put in an example as well, if you want to look at it.

HTML link and if you want to see the formula: League File.

It's this if you're curious: =sum(range)/index(frequency(range,{0}),2)

. . .
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I was curious, so I clicked on the link. What are these points from?

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JayChu said:
Please do not bring up this conversation again. We have discussed this a numerous amount of times yesterday. I do not want to bring it up again! Okay? Thanks.

If you are curious to know what happened, please just read the thread, but please keep all comments to yourself.

If you have an opinion, comment or suggestion, click on my name and you can send me a private e-mail.

Thanks
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Can I make more posts about not talking about it (whatever it is) though?
 
Regarding the TB, what we have been implementing in other forums is that the W-L ratio (overall average points in this case) is being used.

Assuming players A & B are having the same final scores:

Scenario 1: Both players finished all picks
A has 12-12 (50%) while B has 16-8 (67%)

Scenario 2: A finished all picks but B didn't use up all picks
A has 12-12 (50%) while B has 12-11 (52%)

Scenario 3: Both players didn't finished all picks
A has 12-11 (52%) while B has 12-10 (55%)

For the all three scenarios above, B wins over A in terms of W-L ratio (or overall average pts).
 
Since there was no definite decision on the tiebreaker, the FAQ has not be changed regarding that issue.

I'm going to count the votes on it:

For Average Correct Pick as tiebreaker -

Li_Ching_Yuen
Locotus (?)
seffina (I choose this because other games reward getting the winner right on TT already, it would be nice to reward risk taking here. Just as the rare tiebreaker, of course.)

For Percentage as tiebreaker (the same as average of all picks) -

robin7 (?)
Love Game (?)

(?) is what I'm assuming a person's vote is from the comments. Feel free to confirm or change it.
 
seffina said:
Since there was no definite decision on the tiebreaker, the FAQ has not be changed regarding that issue.

I'm going to count the votes on it:

For Average Correct Pick as tiebreaker -

Li_Ching_Yuen
Locotus (?)
seffina (I choose this because other games reward getting the winner right on TT already, it would be nice to reward risk taking here. Just as the rare tiebreaker, of course.)

For Percentage as tiebreaker (the same as average of all picks) -

robin7 (?)
Love Game (?)

(?) is what I'm assuming a person's vote is from the comments. Feel free to confirm or change it.
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Please decide on the voting FAST as we will be implementing the new TB rule for Wimbledon!
 
seffina said:
Since there was no definite decision on the tiebreaker, the FAQ has not be changed regarding that issue.

I'm going to count the votes on it:

For Average Correct Pick as tiebreaker -

Li_Ching_Yuen
Locotus (?)
seffina (I choose this because other games reward getting the winner right on TT already, it would be nice to reward risk taking here. Just as the rare tiebreaker, of course.)

For Percentage as tiebreaker (the same as average of all picks) -

robin7 (?)
Love Game (?)

(?) is what I'm assuming a person's vote is from the comments. Feel free to confirm or change it.
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You are correct! :)

I vote to use Percentage as the tiebreaker ......... the other way gives a higher ranking to the person with the fewest correct picks ..... Nick pointed out ...

NYKings said:
That's what is going to happen when you calculate the average of just correct picks.
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seffina said:
Since there was no definite decision on the tiebreaker, the FAQ has not be changed regarding that issue.

I'm going to count the votes on it:

For Average Correct Pick as tiebreaker -

Li_Ching_Yuen
Locotus (?)
seffina (I choose this because other games reward getting the winner right on TT already, it would be nice to reward risk taking here. Just as the rare tiebreaker, of course.)

For Percentage as tiebreaker (the same as average of all picks) -

robin7 (?)
Love Game (?)

(?) is what I'm assuming a person's vote is from the comments. Feel free to confirm or change it.
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I vote for percentage of correct picks as tiebreaker.
 
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