Practice Match with Usual Hitting Partner /w and w/o SwingVision AI - Looking for most important areas to work on

Niwrad0

Rookie
Will be editing original post (this one) with new videos

Hour 1 of recorded practice - Warm up drill of mini-tennis with match point play. Filmed on iPhone SE2 with a tripod
SwingVision Web Link 1

Raw video (1 hour) 1

SwingVision Highlights and Shot Tagging 1

Hour 2 of recorded practice - Warm up with forehand practice. Partner demo with my racquets. Filmed with fence mount //end section//

SwingVision Web Link 2

Raw video (1 hour) 2 - forehand practice

Will work on repositioning for better coverage on near side //end section//

Raw video (1 hour) 3 - rally, FH, BH, serve and return of serve practice with new hitting partner and new demo racquet - Head Gravity MP

SwingVision Web Link 3 - rally with a new partner who hits heavy loopy balls on clay

Resolution is lower because of front facing instead of rear facing iPhone camera. Easier to check iPhone still working but will likely go back to rear facing //end section//

Raw video (1 hour) 4 Demoing racquets hitting FHs/BHs. List of racquet specs demo'd as below as well as previously owned Speed Pro and Tfight 315.
Demo - Head Gravity MP /w Solinco Hyper G Soft 1.30mm bal 333mm 10.5oz
NSM - 271

L -> R Mains: 45 50 55 | 50 55 55 | 50 55 55 | 55 55 55 | 55 55 50 | 45
T -> B Crosses: 30 40 40 | 40 40 35 …
Demo - Head Speed MP /w Technifibre Black Code 331mm 10.5oz
NSM - 267

L -> R Mains: 40 50 50 50 50 50 50 45 45 45 45 50 50 50 45 40
T -> B Crosses: 30 35 40 …
Demo - Head Radical MP 334mm 10.6oz /w Wilson Resolve Spin
NSM - 275

L -> R Mains: 30 35 40 40 45 40 40 40 45 40 45 45 40 40 40 35
T -> B Crosses: 30 30 30 …
Demo - Head Extreme MP 328mm 10.5oz /w Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power 125 crossed /w Solinco Hyper G 16
NSM - 263

L -> R Mains: 30 45 50 50 45 50 45 45 50 45 45 50 45 50 35
T -> B Crosses: 30 35 35 …
Technifibre T-Fight 315 Yonex PTS 1.20mm 51# crossed /w Gamma LiveWire Pro 1.32mm 53#
  • Strung Weight 11.7 oz / 332g (UnStrung ~11.1 oz 315 g) 11.4 Jan 2022 | 11.3 /w overgrip and dampener Feb7
  • Balance strung 312mm - 318 | 314 / Balance unstrung 310
  • NSM - 265 g | 278 g | 259 g
Head Speed Pro Yonex Poly Tour Spin 1.20mm by Will’s requested 54lbs one piece string
  • Strung Weight 11.4 oz / 323 g (Unstrung ~10.9 oz / 309 g) 10.8 Jan 2022 | 11.2 /w overgrip and dampener Feb7
  • Balance strung 324mm - 324 / Balance unstrung 315mm
  • NSM - 278 g | 249 g | 258
SwingVision Web Link 4 //End Section//

SwingVision Web Link 5 Hitting with partner with big topspin on clay/har-tru court. first time head mp to compare with head pro. Noticed it was much easier to play against, though probably need to work on hitting flatter instead of trying to hit heavy top spin against a heavy top spin hitter, as it made better shots. Not at all used to high bounce, often felt ball bouncing wildly above or below my strike zone. However shots in was much better as per shot tracking map

Strung with Yonex PolyTourSpin 1.25mm at 51#, after about 1 hour and 2 days since stringing. Still feels tight and subsequently underpowered for opponent, but hopefully will lose 1-2# over time to get the extra pace needed

Raw Video 5 //end section//

SwingVision Web Link 5 - Practice set with David, former competitive archer and soccer player. Noted to be quite consistent and quite athletic. Attempted kick 2nd serve but not too good, likely will need to switch to tapping 2nd serve in. Hits fairly hard and I come into the net too often or and linger in no mans land for no apparent reason

Raw Video //end section//

SwingVision Web Link 6 hitting with another hitting partner, a bit windy. Didn't realize the wind knocked camera mount crooked until after warm up. Wind was blowing generally from the direction of camera's position.

SwingVision web 7 Match with partner in link 6. Also first time using match mode on swing vision. realize point by point plus is a bit too much work but couldn't change it halfway thru. Plus we were playing usual ad scoring but had it off, so point tracking is more or less meaningless //end section//

Kick Serve Practice - Just practicing kick serves after a match. trying to not double fault but also not just tap the ball in

practice match video no swing vision as still getting used to how it works in match mode //end section//

Slice/Kick Practice - Notes to self- 1) toss more to left, not too far unless kick serve 2) keep left arm up longer for depth perception 3) twirl racquet over head before accelerating 4) toss location more in front, about 3ish ball lengths into court for all serves, including kick 5) Australian grip for flat/slice serves and partial 1-handed backhand for kick serve 6) bend right knee 7) rhythm without any ball bounce 8) visualize path of ball - keep head up and attempt to see contact, especially if ball hits net 9) relax arm more and swing downwards towards left hip if ball miss long

Serving with power Practice Despite my best attempts, my kick serves are often turning into slices, but with slice at least my percentage is improving

174 shot serve practice - latest practice session of the day

Best 42 serves IMO of the day - selected shots from end of the day that looked best - with the random 117 mph speed as per swing vision AI lol //end section//
 
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samarai

Semi-Pro
work on forehand and backhand so that you can rally from the baseline with consistent strokes. I would forget about playing for points at this junture. How long have u been playing? Cause it looks like u just recently picked up a racket.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
work on forehand and backhand so that you can rally from the baseline with consistent strokes. I would forget about playing for points at this junture. How long have u been playing? Cause it looks like u just recently picked up a racket.
been playing since September
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.

Niwrad0

Rookie
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Niwrad0

Rookie
Playing against girls....you win you are a bully you lose you are a pussycat...
:D
it's my wife, actually her idea to learn tennis together lol. I really want to encourage her plus tennis is way more fun than I thought!!
 

Bambooman

Hall of Fame
You need to stick with the very basics at this point. Running around improvising every shot will just leave you stalled at that sort of "having fun at the park" level forever.

Best to get a partner who knows how to hit and can place a ball in your strike zone repetitively so you can learn proper strokes.
 

eah123

Professional
As close as you are to being an absolute beginner, I would recommend 1) don’t play any matches/points that involve serving and 2) get a lot of practice with self feeds and hitting with a partner that feeds balls to you from a basket so you don’t have to work too hard on proper positioning and can focus on stroke fundamentals.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
As close as you are to being an absolute beginner, I would recommend 1) don’t play any matches/points that involve serving and 2) get a lot of practice with self feeds and hitting with a partner that feeds balls to you from a basket so you don’t have to work too hard on proper positioning and can focus on stroke fundamentals.
I self feed into a tennis wall regularly
 

mucat

Hall of Fame
it's my wife, actually her idea to learn tennis together lol. I really want to encourage her plus tennis is way more fun than I thought!!

That's awesome. My wife is not into tennis.
  • You have good natural topspin swing on both side.
  • You have good instinct on your movement.
  • On FH side, you seems to kick up the the right leg too often, this could cause balancing issue and losing power. Strangely, not doing that on BH side.
  • Your serve grip seems to be wrong? I am guessing this from your swing path.
  • Your wife has a slice serve naturally? If she can aim/control the trajectory, maybe aim a few feet above the net, it could become a very good and reliable service.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
That's awesome. My wife is not into tennis.
  • You have good natural topspin swing on both side.
  • You have good instinct on your movement.
  • On FH side, you seems to kick up the the right leg too often, this could cause balancing issue and losing power. Strangely, not doing that on BH side.
  • Your serve grip seems to be wrong? I am guessing this from your swing path.
  • Your wife has a slice serve naturally? If she can aim/control the trajectory, maybe aim a few feet above the net, it could become a very good and reliable service.
I forget to turn my torso on FH side
I use the same grip as a volley for serve
Wife is much more consistent with serves for sure
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Playing against girls....you win you are a bully you lose you are a pussycat...

Man or woman, I don't see any stigma or difference with at level play, winning or losing personally. If I practice with someone lower I may hit shots to make things more competitive for them, or hitting against higher players I want to be challenged in that same way. With match play though, if they are lower I aim to outright win. If they are higher, I aim to not outright lose. (y)
 

mucat

Hall of Fame
I use the same grip as a volley for serve

The FH volleys are quite inconsistent, I also question your FH volley grip as well.
The reason I question your service grip is because you are not side way enough at contact. This usually indicates some kind of FH grip.
But you guys are just starting, take your time and enjoy it. Try to extend the rallies, see how long they can last.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
The FH volleys are quite inconsistent, I also question your FH volley grip as well.
The reason I question your service grip is because you are not side way enough at contact. This usually indicates some kind of FH grip.
But you guys are just starting, take your time and enjoy it. Try to extend the rallies, see how long they can last.
I just put my first knuckle on the second bevel and the fourth knuckle on the third bevel, or just hold the racquet in a vertical position while in a neutral position. it's also the grip I usually hold when receiving serve or waiting to hit. I think for rallies our longest is about 5-10 minutes or so
 

coolvinny

Rookie
Take some more lessons and practice diligently, working on one thing at a time. I suggest starting with forehand. See if you can access a ball machine so you can at establish a consistent stroke on a comfortable ball. At this stage for you, trying to learn by seeking feedback here is not the way to go.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
Take some more lessons and practice diligently, working on one thing at a time. I suggest starting with forehand. See if you can access a ball machine so you can at establish a consistent stroke on a comfortable ball. At this stage for you, trying to learn by seeking feedback here is not the way to go.
oh the ball machine is nice, it's sort of like a wall but with more time to react to the next shot. in the clinic they set up those tubes to pick up balls and it's really enjoyable to knock them down
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
Don't you mean 5-10 shots?
no like 5-10 minutes. we were hitting the other day down the alley with a couple of other beginners on the other alley and while the coach was talking to that pair we kept hitting back and forth until they finished their conversation
 

mucat

Hall of Fame
I just put my first knuckle on the second bevel
What you describe is continental. But are you actually hitting with that :) ? So it might not be grip problem?
From this screenshot. It seems you are not rotating shoulder over shoulder?
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If you look at more advanced player. The shoulder rotation is more vertical.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
What you describe is continental. But are you actually hitting with that :) ? So it might not be grip problem?
From this screenshot. It seems you are not rotating shoulder over shoulder?
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If you look at more advanced player. The shoulder rotation is more vertical.
yeah I've been told I need to extend my elbow on my serve, but it's really tiring to do so and I keep forgetting to extend my elbow
 

Bambooman

Hall of Fame
it's easier if we have a good rhythm, coach said that we're good at sending but not so much at receiving, and that we primarily need more on court experience, especially with other people
Maybe it feels like you are hitting 5-10 minutes straight. I'm not sure if I saw more than 4 shots in a row in the videos.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
Why the difference?
Once we get the ball going back and forth it's a lot easier to hit it, rather than trying to guess where a ball might go when going for points. Also it's easier when there's more time to see the ball to judge where it's going from baseline to baseline
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Why the difference?
There is no point in pursuing this conversation. You can see from the video that the OP is basically an NTRP 1.5 level player and that 10 minutes of cooperative hitting with no misses is not realistic, especially given that there was zero directional or depth control demonstrated.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
There is no point in pursuing this conversation. You can see from the video that the OP is basically an NTRP 1.5 level player and that 10 minutes of cooperative hitting with no misses is not realistic, especially given that there was zero directional or depth control demonstrated.
done it with the tennis wall, it's just harder to read balls sent by other people
 

Bambooman

Hall of Fame
Even when you were bunting the ball back and forth from mid court they were going all over the place. Were you playing points then?
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
Even when you were bunting the ball back and forth from mid court they were going all over the place. Were you playing points then?
100%
To clarify this is our daily warmup drill of mini tennis we do. Goal is hit as big of a stoke without going out of the service boxes and straight across the net
 
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AlexSV

Semi-Pro
100%
To clarify this is our daily warmup drill of mini tennis we do. Goal is hit as big of a stoke without going out of the service boxes and straight across the net
Starting here, re-watch your mini tennis. Your feet are very close together and you have no split-step. Without getting into anything else technical, you need to have a wide stance with your feet at least shoulder width apart, and you need to be moving as soon as the person on the other side of the net makes contact with the ball.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
Starting here, re-watch your mini tennis. Your feet are very close together and you have no split-step. Without getting into anything else technical, you need to have a wide stance with your feet at least shoulder width apart, and you need to be moving as soon as the person on the other side of the net makes contact with the ball.
I tried doing the split step consciously and found that doing the slip step unconsciously worked out better in the end
 

Slicerman

Professional
My advice.. don't do matches, points or baseline. Instead you should spend a month or two doing cooperative rally in mini-tennis while standing in the middle of no-man's-land. Don't stand on top of the service line when you do mini-tennis, that's not the proper way. And try your best to land every shot into the service box. Avoid doing those continental forehand blocks, all they do is pop the ball straight up in an uncontrolled manner, they're counterproductive. Also do not bother trying to swing fast or hard at the ball. Instead I recommend you slow down your swing and hit the ball in a controlled manner. You first need to make CLEAN contact consistently before you even consider swinging fast. Just because you're physically able to swing fast doesn't mean you should right now. The swing speed should only be increased as your coordination improves.

And if you're wondering.. playing mini-tennis exclusively for 1-2 months IS doable. That's exactly what I did when I was a beginner. I decided on it after my friend and I were struggling hitting from the baseline. It doesn't sound that exciting or cool but it will help you improve in the long run.
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
My advice.. don't do matches, points or baseline. Instead you should spend a month or two doing cooperative rally in mini-tennis while standing in the middle of no-man's-land. Don't stand on top of the service line when you do mini-tennis, that's not the proper way. And try your best to land every shot into the service box. Avoid doing those continental forehand blocks, all they do is pop the ball straight up in an uncontrolled manner, they're counterproductive. Also do not bother trying to swing fast or hard at the ball. Instead I recommend you slow down your swing and hit the ball in a controlled manner. You first need to make CLEAN contact consistently before you even consider swinging fast. Just because you're physically able to swing fast doesn't mean you should right now. The swing speed should only be increased as your coordination improves.

And if you're wondering.. playing mini-tennis exclusively for 1-2 months IS doable. That's exactly what I did when I was a beginner. I decided on it after my friend and I were struggling hitting from the baseline. It doesn't sound that exciting or cool but it will help you improve in the long run.
I have noticed it's hard to use forehand grips right on the service line - will try standing in the halfway point between that and baseline. Yes I know it IS doable because we've been doing mini tennis every session with each other since September
 

Niwrad0

Rookie
Doing groundstrokes with topspin using semi-western is really tricky when close to the net, feels like I can't really get the angle right. Usually I revert to continental and do a gentle topspin feed, then do half-volleys, FH/BH slices at the service line or closer to the net
 
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