Pre weave mains

#1
Hello everyone, yesterday I read a stringing tip from Pat Markey who's stringing at pro tournaments.

The tip was to pre weave the mains. You don't have to search the tip every time after tensioning a main string.

I'm curious about everyone opinion about it and who does this also with stringing?
 
#2
I admit to this. I pre weave all the mains so that the skips are all in place. Then I put it on the machine. And then I just pull.

If you pull string from a reel, and want to do 1 piece and want to make sure you have enough to reach the tension head at 1 end, then this is my way to ensure it. Also saves 2' since you only have 2 knots.
 

Irvin

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#3
If I'm stringing with a long side I will pre-weave the long side only. The top of my clamps is very close to the string bed so I usually don't preveave because the string gets in the way of the clamp.
 

am1899

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#4
It does keep string off the floor. It can make clamping challenging - sometimes the string that hasn't been tensioned yet gets in the way of the string you're trying to clamp. I also find it's also a little easier to make a mistake when there are skips too...but it's probably because I just don't pre-lace the mains that often. If I do, it's in the scenario Irvin described.
 

Irvin

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#5
It does keep string off the floor. It can make clamping challenging - sometimes the string that hasn't been tensioned yet gets in the way of the string you're trying to clamp. I also find it's also a little easier to make a mistake when there are skips too...but it's probably because I just don't pre-lace the mains that often. If I do, it's in the scenario Irvin described.
It can also create problems when you're string the frame two piece and you preweave the (1 piece) long side mains, tie your long side knot and preweave the 3rd to top cross. I do this to save string when stringing two pice from a reel. Talk about the strings getting in the way of the clamps.
 
#6
It can also create problems when you're string the frame two piece and you preweave the (1 piece) long side mains, tie your long side knot and preweave the 3rd to top cross. I do this to save string when stringing two pice from a reel. Talk about the strings getting in the way of the clamps.
Sorry Irvin but I don't understand your post :eek:. 2 pieces and a long side???

I understand till now it's easy for 1 piece stringing for the long side.
 

am1899

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#7
Sorry Irvin but I don't understand your post :eek:. 2 pieces and a long side???

I understand till now it's easy for 1 piece stringing for the long side.
I think what @Irvin is referring to is stringing in 2 pieces, but you start out like a 1 pc - measure your short side, leave the rest on the long side. Then, once your long side mains are installed, you tie off and cut off the remaining string. This remainder is used for the crosses. The potential benefit here is saving a bit of string, because you're only measuring out string for one side of the mains - the short side. For the long side mains, you potentially are allowed to use as little string as possible.
 

Irvin

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#8
The potential benefit here is saving a bit of string, because you're only measuring out string for one side of the mains - the short side. For the long side mains, you potentially are allowed to use as little string as possible.
True but you measure out the whole string from the reel which is the minimum amount needed, and you measure your short side. The big sayings comes when you have no waster for the long side and the tail you cut off is all used for the crosses. I use a starting knot that has about a 1" tail so there is little waste their either. So gor two strings I do not need to reach the tensioner with string I am going to throw away. That's about 2' per string job, and I get 18 string jobs form a 660' reel. That's easily enough for another string job.
 

Irvin

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#10
Sorry Irvin but I don't understand your post :eek:. 2 pieces and a long side???

I understand till now it's easy for 1 piece stringing for the long side.
@am1899 was pretty much right. It is easier to understand maybe his way of explaining it but I like to preweave the top three crosses for there are no blocked holes. Therefore I tie the knot on the long side mains but do not sinch it up. That way I can use the tail to preweave the top crosses. But sometimes it gets really confusing let me tell you. I would not recommend it for a beginner.
 

Irvin

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#16
I have tried one time and I dont like it :(.

Is there a video of the methodes who Irvin use to pre weave....
A video tells more then 1000 words:)
I did have a video after all but not the way I do it now. This video shows me tying off the mains before I weave the top crosses. Now what I do is run in the 12 center mains and with the clamps at the bottom I pre-weave the outer 2 mains on the long side and tie the knot without cinching it up then pre-weave the top 3 crosses from the third up. After tying off the mains and cutting off the tails I tie a starting iKnot on the top cross and string down the frame.

 

Irvin

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#20
I was stringing a Ti.S6 today (115 si) with 35.5' of string. And used this technique. I like to pre-weave the top crosses so it's easier to get the strings on the outside of the frame to lay right without overlapping. Here is a picture of the knot tied in the long side then using the tail to weave the top crosses. Sorry it looks like a rat's nest.

Then I finished all the mains and ready to tie off the long side.

Now that I clipped off the tail of the long side I tie a starting knot (iknot) for the top cross. This leave about 11" for the short side tail and 1" for the starting knot.

Here I've tensioned the top two crosses, cut off the tails, and ready to starting stringing the crosses 1 ahead from the 4th cross down. I ended up with a tail for the bottom cross about 1' long I threw away.
 

Irvin

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#22
Irvin, if I'm correct you string the first 6 mains normal and then you pre weave the first 3 crosses and then finish the last mains?
One can but you will end up on the other side. How do you get back to string the mains? I string enough mains so the clamps end on the bottom, finish the mains (no tension) then pre-weave the top three crosses.

EDIT: All mains are strung normal and all crosses top to bottom 2 piece.
 

MAX PLY

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#24
^^^^Fully agree. Any time purportedly saved is likely more than offset by the interference caused by the un-tensioned strings in clamping. That stated, on a one-piece job I have from time to time pre-weaved the first cross before tensioning the last main or two if it made sense on that particular frame (e.g., partially blocked hole). As usual, observing the practices of others can be interesting (and sometimes (but not in this case) comical or scary) but I will continue the tried and true for now.
 
#26
Not a bad suggestion; the more I think about it, the more I like it..
preweaving the mains from a reel, would save some string.
no excesive wear on the mains, so long as you pay attention

the short side is the one that needs to be measured correctly
the extra string used to reach the tensioner from the center mains, is the slack that will be used to reach the tensioner on the last main, and eventually tie off..

OP. Tnx for posting
 
#27
True but you measure out the whole string from the reel which is the minimum amount needed, and you measure your short side. The big sayings comes when you have no waster for the long side and the tail you cut off is all used for the crosses. I use a starting knot that has about a 1" tail so there is little waste their either. So gor two strings I do not need to reach the tensioner with string I am going to throw away. That's about 2' per string job, and I get 18 string jobs form a 660' reel. That's easily enough for another string job.
I cant tell you the number of times I finished a reel, only to have 14' of string left, and Im usually pretty good about not wasting excess string
very frustrating waste of 14'
this method used 3 or even 2 times in a reel, would have given me enough for another 1/2 racquet
definately something im gonna use
 
#30
I think preweave is a bunch of bogus.
The strings are deflected by the last string, untensioned or not.
The strings basically are the same height, either way.
Don't waste your time prewaveing. It's just messier with no benefit.
 

Irvin

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#31
I think preweave is a bunch of bogus.
The strings are deflected by the last string, untensioned or not.
The strings basically are the same height, either way.
Don't waste your time prewaveing. It's just messier with no benefit.
Everyone was talking about pre-weaving mains not you jump to pre-weaving crosses I assume. Pre-weaving crosses if done right does make a lot difference.

EDIT: If you want I can post some pics with good / bad examples of how to do it.
 
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Irvin

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#34
Wait, what is pre weaving the main??
When I string with one piece I have a long side and a short side. I generally prefer to pre-weave the long side. Once I’ve Tension most of the mains I will also pre-weaver the outer mains (if I’m using an ATW and at least the top 3 crosses. After tension all mains and the top 2 crosses I will weave one ahead on the remaining crosses as far as I can. I generally like to have only enough string to tension and tie off at the bottom. That helps me to keep the bottom crosses from twisting at the bottom.
 
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