Predict the total tournament victories for the following players...

#1
A.Zverev

B.Coric

D.Thiem

G.Dimitrov

J.Sock

K.Nishikori

L.Pouille

M.Raonic

N.Kyrgios

And any others you fancy. I'm sure not all of these guys will necessarily do better than say, Kyle Edmund, Hyeon Chung or BERNARD TOMIC.

Predict how many titles these chaps will win, and perhaps include how many Slams will be among their victories (please).

Thanks
 
#2
haha, I poked my head into this thread to see what you had. Gotta say, love what you've done with the place!

Always with the atypical formatting.

OT, leaning Roger. In seriousness, I have nothing to add. :)
 
#3
Current Tallies

K.Nishikori - 11
D.Thiem - 8
M.Raonic - 8
G.Dimitrov - 6
J.Sock - 3
N.Kyrgios - 3
A.Zverev - 2
L.Pouille - 1
B.Coric - 0

haha, I poked my head into this thread to see what you had. Gotta say, love what you've done with the place!

Always with the atypical formatting.

OT, leaning Roger. In seriousness, I have nothing to add. :)
Bog standard thread innit?


Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
 
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I edited in some predictions but might as well make it a fresh post and get the ball rolling...

Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
 
#8
I edited in some predictions but might as well make it a fresh post and get the ball rolling...

Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
What's your prediction for how Kyrgios leaves the game? Completely serious with that. I don't think he'll have any desire to sustain any kind of top spot, were he to achieve it. 5 major titles seems very generous to me. I really think he'll peace out once he nets some mysterious achievement known to him alone.
 
#9
K.Nishikori - 24
D.Thiem - 27
M.Raonic - 24
G.Dimitrov - 18
J.Sock - 13
N.Kyrgios - 35
A.Zverev - 47
L.Pouille - 12
B.Coric - 14
Any thoughts here on the Slam wins specifically for Thiem, Kyrgios and Zverev? I think Thiem will hoover up clay titles over the next many years but won't convert much at the Slams, whereas I see Kyrgios and Zverev each winning multiple. You've given out a lot of titles there and in the back of my mind I'm thinking about the next wave of resistance and talent that will come after Zverev et al.

What's your prediction for how Kyrgios leaves the game? Completely serious with that. I don't think he'll have any desire to sustain any kind of top spot, were he to achieve it. 5 major titles seems very generous to me. I really think he'll peace out once he nets some mysterious achievement known to him alone.
Entirely possible. Appears to be mercurial and enigmatic and somewhat tortured to me. If he doesn't get in over the next few years and reaches about 26 years old and suddenly wins Wimbledon, I could imagine him packing it in not too long after. I think if he gets his foot in the door early as he's still growing into his full potential, he'll learn to love the game on at least a part-time basis. I think he's got more upside than Zverev but that Zverev is the safer bet for having a long and consistent career -- but then again, Zverev is very tall (6'6") and sustained Slam success for someone so tall would be unprecedented. From what I can tell, Kyrgios is about the same height as Pancho Gonzalez was, or maybe an inch taller. Feel free to post some predictions with players of your choice as well as some insights.
 
#10
I edited in some predictions but might as well make it a fresh post and get the ball rolling...

Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
My gut feeling is that Nishikori because of his sound game would do the the best if he recovers well from his injury but who knows?
 
#11
Any thoughts here on the Slam wins specifically for Thiem, Kyrgios and Zverev? I think Thiem will hoover up clay titles over the next many years but won't convert much at the Slams, whereas I see Kyrgios and Zverev each winning multiple. You've given out a lot of titles there and in the back of my mind I'm thinking about the next wave of resistance and talent that will come after Zverev et al.



Entirely possible. Appears to be mercurial and enigmatic and somewhat tortured to me. If he doesn't get in over the next few years and reaches about 26 years old and suddenly wins Wimbledon, I could imagine him packing it in not too long after. I think if he gets his foot in the door early as he's still growing into his full potential, he'll learn to love the game on at least a part-time basis. I think he's got more upside than Zverev but that Zverev is the safer bet for having a long and consistent career -- but then again, Zverev is very tall (6'6") and sustained Slam success for someone so tall would be unprecedented. From what I can tell, Kyrgios is about the same height as Pancho Gonzalez was, or maybe an inch taller. Feel free to post some predictions with players of your choice as well as some insights.
All right, maybe. ;) Don't you prefer a good ol-fashioned derail?

I'll ponder it a spell. I will say up front that I think Kyrgios has yet to unfurl to his full stature. That abominable posture takes several inches off, straight away.
 
#12
My gut feeling is that Nishikori because of his sound game would do the the best if he recovers well from his injury but who knows?
Big Kei fan here, and it's frustrating to see just how brittle his body is and how often he gets injured... and he's only getting older. You can practically put money on him being injured on a year to year basis. I thought he'd have won a Slam by now, but now I don't think that's going to happen. He does seem more dangerous than his main peers (I consider them to be Raonic and Dimitrov more or less) when he's fit and in form, and that seems to be backed up by stats such as his winning % against top-ten players.
All right, maybe. ;) Don't you prefer a good ol-fashioned derail?

I'll ponder it a spell. I will say up front that I think Kyrgios has yet to unfurl to his full stature. That abominable posture takes several inches off, straight away.
I'm happy for the thread to go wherever it may. Hopefully we discuss the potential of some of these players and ponder their talent and ability.

 
#14
K.Nishikori - 20 (1)
D.Thiem - 35 (6)
M.Raonic - 19 (2)
G.Dimitrov - 23 (3)
J.Sock - 12 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 14 (1)
A.Zverev - 48 (10)
L.Pouille - 19 (0)
B.Coric - 5 (0)
I quite like this, because surely there will be space over the next 5 years for players other than the Big Four to win Slams and presumably Nishikori/Dimitrov/Raonic HAVE to pick up some of them. Right? Right??????????

You've got them collecting 6 of them.
 
#15
I quite like this, because surely there will be space over the next 5 years for players other than the Big Four to win Slams and presumably Nishikori/Dimitrov/Raonic HAVE to pick up some of them. Right? Right??????????

You've got them collecting 6 of them.
Oh... yeah, I'm holding to my final major title haul predictions for the Big Three of 17, 14, 13. Can't win 'em all!

Yeah, too much injury, by and large. They don't make 'em like they used to. Zverev's gonna clean up, though. We'll see who'll join him. Someone most aren't too familiar with, I'm guessing.
 
#16
Current Tallies

K.Nishikori - 11
D.Thiem - 8
M.Raonic - 8
G.Dimitrov - 6
J.Sock - 3
N.Kyrgios - 3
A.Zverev - 2
L.Pouille - 1
B.Coric - 0



Bog standard thread innit?


Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
Right around what I given them give or take a few.
 
#17
Current Tallies

K.Nishikori - 11
D.Thiem - 8
M.Raonic - 8
G.Dimitrov - 6
J.Sock - 3
N.Kyrgios - 3
A.Zverev - 2
L.Pouille - 1
B.Coric - 0



Bog standard thread innit?


Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
Who will win all of the slams from 2020-2028? Some guys in juniors?
 
#18
Any thoughts here on the Slam wins specifically for Thiem, Kyrgios and Zverev? I think Thiem will hoover up clay titles over the next many years but won't convert much at the Slams, whereas I see Kyrgios and Zverev each winning multiple. You've given out a lot of titles there and in the back of my mind I'm thinking about the next wave of resistance and talent that will come after Zverev et
Yeah I do feel like I handed out a lot. But guys are playing longer these days.Ferrer won 5 titles in 2015. Raonic, despite not be being very good at winning titles, will have that serve and can win 250s till he is 35 if he wants.

On the slams, next 6/7 years will look a lot different than the last 10 in terms variety of finalists and winners I'd say.

I feel like Thiem will play a Roland Garros final for sure. Might win one maybe two. I'd give him 1.

Zverev wins at least 4 slams for me. I'll go with 6.

Kyrgios is a strange one. I could see him retiring aged 28 or something, having achieved his goals of a Wimbledon and Aussie Open title. 3 Slams. But the biggest name in tennis of the next decade and maybe a bigger cross over superstar than Novak ever was.

Nishikori and Raonic had a number of good results in full field events last year falling to Murrovic frequently. Their 2016 form and health would be enough to to win if the 2017 tour continues like it is. There is a short window before they get caught by the next gen.

I give Raonic and Dimitrov a slam.
Nishi will have a chance somewhere, hope he takes it.
 
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Who will win all of the slams from 2020-2028? Some guys in juniors?
Well, we need to account for who might be over the horizon in the junior ranks right now. Dimitrov, Nishikori and Raonic have already played out big chunks of their prime against beating ATGs and have come up with very little, yet they may take more than 1 of the next 30 or so Slams and more like 6 as FedFosterWallace predicts. Something I'm wondering is if there is a real sort of "legend" among the players listed, or if the likes of say Thiem, Zverev and Kyrgios will be more of the Edberg/Becker/Wilander calibre and the next "legend" is looming in the current 15-18 age group. I can't confidently say that any of the listed players are the next Djokovic, even, so I'm banking on the at least two of the above names being on the level of Murray to Becker with a chosen one emerging by around 2020 who will go on to win 12-15 Majors.

Yeah I do feel like I handed out a lot. But guys are playing longer these days.Ferrer won 5 titles in 2015. Raonic, despite not be being very good at winning titles, will have that serve and can win 250s till he is 35 if he wants.

On the slams, next 6/7 years will look a lot different than the last 10 in terms variety of finalists and winners I'd say.

I feel like Thiem will play a Roland Garros final for sure. Might win one maybe two. I'd give him 1.

Zverev wins at least 4 slams for me. I'll go with 6.

Kyrgios is a strange one. I could see him retiring aged 28 or something, having achieved his goals of a Wimbledon and Aussie Open title. 3 Slams. But the biggest name in tennis and ma

Nishikori and Raonic had a number of good results in full field events last year falling to Murrovic frequently. Their 2016 form and health would be enough to to win if the 2017 tour continues like it is. There is a short window before they get caught by the next gen.

I give Raonic and Dimitrov a slam.
Nishi will have a chance somewhere, hope he takes it.
You're right, and that's what's making me want to nudge all my total tallies up by about 3 per player (while also maybe adding a couple more Majors). 6 Slams seems like a lot for the Lost Boys (Dimitrov and co.) but perhaps 2-4 is on the cards.. eventually.
 
#21
My Wishlist: I would like to see Nishikori win a USO. Thiem dominating Clay, winning multiples clay court titles and being a future Bull.
Z clinching a couple of Majors here and there, staying injury-free. Dimitrov winning Multiple Majors and Kyrgios ruling the tour.

K.Nishikori - 20 (1)
D.Thiem - 35 (4)
M.Raonic - 19 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 23 (5)
J.Sock - 12 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 34 (12)
A.Zverev - 18 (2)
L.Pouille - 19 (0)
B.Coric - 5 (0)
 
#25
Current Tallies

K.Nishikori - 11
D.Thiem - 8
M.Raonic - 8
G.Dimitrov - 6
J.Sock - 3
N.Kyrgios - 3
A.Zverev - 2
L.Pouille - 1
B.Coric - 0



Bog standard thread innit?


Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
 
#26
This is the bit I don't get. When people post that Theim will only get 1 slam and Dimitrov the same - I have to ask, well who is winning the slams then? There are 4 a year - when Djokovic, murray, Nadal and Federer are done winning slams - someone has to be winning them. The slams organisers don't go "well we deem that none of the competitors are worthy of winning a slam this event - so we won't have a winner" - I mean - someone has to be winning them.
 
#27
This is the bit I don't get. When people post that Theim will only get 1 slam and Dimitrov the same - I have to ask, well who is winning the slams then? There are 4 a year - when Djokovic, murray, Nadal and Federer are done winning slams - someone has to be winning them. The slams organisers don't go "well we deem that none of the competitors are worthy of winning a slam this event - so we won't have a winner" - I mean - someone has to be winning them.
Yes, but Slam winners won't just be achieved by the players selected for this thread. You have to make allowances for what is beyond the horizon. One still needs to hit a certain level of play to win a Slam.. a sort of "Slam worthy threshold". Dimitrov is already 26 and has barely scratched that threshold. Will he cross it in the future and win multiple Majors? Maybe. So the argument that "someone has to be winning them" doesn't hold, at least not in the sense that it would automatically make Thiem or Dimitrov winners of many Majors. There tends to be a level that has to be attained, and usually someone attains it at any given Slam regardless of how strong or weak the era is. For those who can't really produce that level, they'll pick up scraps at best. The only way someone like Dimitrov will actually win many Slams is if he improves on his current level (and quite substantially). If we were to assume that he stays where he's at and this is his zenith, I think 1 Slam is the most reasonable outcome (picking up some scraps somewhere).
 
#28
I edited in some predictions but might as well make it a fresh post and get the ball rolling...

Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 18 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 27 (1)
M.Raonic - 14 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 15 (1)
J.Sock - 7 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 8 (0)
B.Coric - 9 (0)

I might change these predictions after I think about it more.
Yeah I do feel like I handed out a lot. But guys are playing longer these days.Ferrer won 5 titles in 2015. Raonic, despite not be being very good at winning titles, will have that serve and can win 250s till he is 35 if he wants.

On the slams, next 6/7 years will look a lot different than the last 10 in terms variety of finalists and winners I'd say.

I feel like Thiem will play a Roland Garros final for sure. Might win one maybe two. I'd give him 1.

Zverev wins at least 4 slams for me. I'll go with 6.

Kyrgios is a strange one. I could see him retiring aged 28 or something, having achieved his goals of a Wimbledon and Aussie Open title. 3 Slams. But the biggest name in tennis of the next decade and maybe a bigger cross over superstar than Novak ever was.

Nishikori and Raonic had a number of good results in full field events last year falling to Murrovic frequently. Their 2016 form and health would be enough to to win if the 2017 tour continues like it is. There is a short window before they get caught by the next gen.

I give Raonic and Dimitrov a slam.
Nishi will have a chance somewhere, hope he takes it.
I'm updating my prediction, taking into account what you said about guys playing longer these days. I'm just going to add 3 titles for each player, for now anyway. Predictions for Kyrgios and Zverev are unchanged, however.

Predicted Totals

K.Nishikori - 21 (0 Slams)
D.Thiem - 30 (1)
M.Raonic - 17 (0)
G.Dimitrov - 18 (1)
J.Sock - 10 (0)
N.Kyrgios - 37 (5)
A.Zverev - 44 (6)
L.Pouille - 11 (0)
B.Coric - 12 (0)
 
#29
Yes, but Slam winners won't just be achieved by the players selected for this thread. You have to make allowances for what is beyond the horizon. One still needs to hit a certain level of play to win a Slam.. a sort of "Slam worthy threshold". Dimitrov is already 26 and has barely scratched that threshold. Will he cross it in the future and win multiple Majors? Maybe. So the argument that "someone has to be winning them" doesn't hold, at least not in the sense that it would automatically make Thiem or Dimitrov winners of many Majors. There tends to be a level that has to be attained, and usually someone attains it at any given Slam regardless of how strong or weak the era is. For those who can't really produce that level, they'll pick up scraps at best. The only way someone like Dimitrov will actually win many Slams is if he improves on his current level (and quite substantially). If we were to assume that he stays where he's at and this is his zenith, I think 1 Slam is the most reasonable outcome (picking up some scraps somewhere).
Well who then - if Kyrgios and zverev get 5 or 6 each that's only 2 and a half years or so. Who is winning the rest of the time? You might say - well we haven't seen them yet - but people don't just wake up and be slam winners - they would at least be making a few dents in the juniors now. Do you think those 2 Canadians boys will be it? They are both 16 to 18 years old now.
 
#30
Well who then - if Kyrgios and zverev get 5 or 6 each that's only 2 and a half years or so. Who is winning the rest of the time? You might say - well we haven't seen them yet - but people don't just wake up and be slam winners - they would at least be making a few dents in the juniors now. Do you think those 2 Canadians boys will be it? They are both 16 to 18 years old now.
So here are the main things we have to consider, and of course I don't know the right answer nor how the future will unfold... maybe Kyrgios never explodes and Dimitrov does for 6+ Slams, or all three of Thiem, Kyrgios and Zverev are in league with the likes of Becker and win 6 or so Slams.

Pardon the tangent.

1. How many Slams the Big Four + Stan might yet still win
2. What lurks over the horizon among the 14-18 year-old players.
3. Which currently unheralded 19-23 year-old players might explode on tour mid-match leaving a mighty splatter of blood and guts on the courts and down the cleavage of unsuspecting female spectators.

Dimitrov, Nishikori and Raonic have already played out big chunks of their prime against beating ATGs and have come up with very little, yet they may take more than 1 of the next 30 or so Slams and more like 6 as FedFosterWallace predicts. Something I'm wondering is if there is a real sort of "legend" among the players listed, or if the likes of say Thiem, Zverev and Kyrgios will be more of the Edberg/Becker/Wilander calibre and the next "legend" is looming in the current 15-18 age group. I can't confidently say that any of the listed players are the next Djokovic, even, so I'm banking on at least two of the above names being on the level of Murray to Becker with a chosen one emerging by around 2020 who will go on to win 12-15 Majors. I think another player will emerge from the current Kyrgios/Thiem/Zverev group who will win multiple Majors and that there will be more one-time Major winners over the next 7 or so years, but I'm not sure those names have been presented in this thread. I suspect someone who is already quite active on the tour could become a serious force.. someone we won't see coming.
 
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#31
Well who then - if Kyrgios and zverev get 5 or 6 each that's only 2 and a half years or so. Who is winning the rest of the time? You might say - well we haven't seen them yet - but people don't just wake up and be slam winners - they would at least be making a few dents in the juniors now. Do you think those 2 Canadians boys will be it? They are both 16 to 18 years old now.
On Shapovalov and Aliassime, I think they will be very strong, yeah. But it's so hard to predict as there's a lot of talent in that age group, at least at a glance. When I was talking about a chosen one arriving and being the next legend by 2020 or so, the player I was thinking of was Aliassime.

I do think the 1 Slam I've predicted for the Dimitrov group might be low and that they'll be good enough to punch through for a few before being usurped by younger and more talented generations. Perhaps they'll win closer to 6 Slams as FedFosterWallace predicts.
 
#32
Zverev has a very good chance to make noise. He's already got most of the tools; just needs to add net aggressiveness and then get someone to coach up his serve. Once he's got full command of his lower body AND grows into something resembling an adult male body, he's going to smash any of the other guys CURRENTLY full time on the big boy tour. Probly six slams. Maybe seven.

Thiem is going to be hard to shut out of Frenches for too long. Just too perfect a fit. Two of those.

Dimitrov's got two or three in him. For him, it'll be about streaking hot, like it is with Wawrinka.

Raonic will win a Wimby and a U.S. Open, and might sneak a third.

Kyrgios, of course, lacks what's needed to win big. Might luck into one big title somewhere if the stars align and all the best players are injured that fortnight, but I really don't see a big future with all his mental and physical shortcomings. He's obviously got a shorter shelf life than other guys his age, since he didn't take care of himself physically growing up, and now has that hunched thorax. Hard to ever achieve peak fitness once you hit that cliff, and the free fitness of youth flames out pretty early for a pro athlete. Still, I'll charitably give him one.

Shapovalov is the next dominant force on the tour. The Federer to Zverev's Rafokovic. Ten slams, minimum. He's as complete a player as I've seen at that age, and lefty to boot. I feel quite comfortable calling him the true heir to the GOAT.
 
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