Prediction: Nadal won't win the 2019 FO

#11
Nadal has already won 2019 French open. this match is sending out the FEAR factor to all the contenders and they will be too scared to play RAFA. Thiem has bee already spotted crying his bed. Federer is already thinking about telling people his leg is only 90 % and won't play French open. and well novak.... after this will have to go back to his love doctor and eat some more love
 
#15
All depends on the draw. Nadal has history of getting pathetically easy draws. If he somehow avoids all the danger clay opponents, he may win the whole thing without dropping a set. However, I get the feeling there will be a few tests on the way to SF and Nadal may falter.
 
#19
Maybe not. But thankfully we're past that ridiculous phase of talking about how Novak is still unproven on clay since his comeback and Rafa's on his last legs so Thiem should actually be the favorite. :rolleyes:
 
#22
Except there never was such a phase.

:rolleyes:
Refer to post-match threads after Monte-Carlo & Barcelona.

And are you not the same guy who just said we're not getting a Novak/Rafa final in Paris because they're too old to keep this up because Thiem will be fully rested and there will be a "massive assault" by the NextGen?
 
#26
Sending bagels and breadsticks is a statement. I think Rafa is the clear favorite. I do give full props to Novak for hanging in there even with the fatigue and the long matches, but to his well-earned credit, Rafa did finish his matches far more efficiently this tournament at Rome.
 
#27
Sending bagels and breadsticks is a statement. I think Rafa is the clear favorite. I do give full props to Novak for hanging in there even with the fatigue and the long matches, but to his well-earned credit, Rafa did finish his matches far more efficiently this tournament at Rome.
The second set is a bad sign for Rafa I think.

I bet I could good odds betting on Djokovic right now. And I think that’s the smart money
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#28
Refer to post-match threads after Monte-Carlo & Barcelona.

And are you not the same guy who just said we're not getting a Novak/Rafa final in Paris because they're too old to keep this up because Thiem will be fully rested and there will be a "massive assault" by the NextGen?
I don't have to refer to any match threads to know that there never was a consistent opinion of Thiem being the favourite for RG. My thread also doesn't state/hint about such a thing.

Only a poster like you, who insists on entering on a white horse in order to "show everyone" how wrong the majority was, could refer to the first two tournaments on clay, one of which is an ATP500 tournament, to draw his points so that he appears that way, when the main tournaments on clay are yet to be played.

:cool:
 
#30
I don't have to refer to any match threads to know that there never was a consistent opinion of Thiem being the favourite for RG. My thread also doesn't state/hint about such a thing.

Only a poster like you, who insists on entering on a white horse in order to "show everyone" how wrong the majority was, could refer to the first two tournaments on clay, one of which is an ATP500 tournament, to draw his points that he wants to appear that way, when the main tournaments on clay are yet to be played.

:cool:
Never said it was the majority opinion. Anyone with half a brain knew that they were still the 1-2 favorites.

I'm saying I'm glad no one is saying it anymore.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#32
Never said it was the majority opinion. Anyone with half a brain knew that they were still the 1-2 favorites.

I'm saying I'm glad no one is saying it anymore.
Now you are trying to change your own claim:

"Maybe not. But thankfully we're past that ridiculous phase of talking about how Novak is still unproven on clay since his comeback and Rafa's on his last legs so Thiem should actually be the favorite"

Referrals to "talk" are done when it is done on a large basis, otherwise why would you be going to the pains of talking about whole threads?

Also, there will always be people that would think something different (including that Thiem is the favourite), so what exactly are you referring to?

It is not the predominant opinion, and it is not the said posters, so which group is the focus of your comment?

:cool:
 
#33
Now you are trying to change your own claim:

"Maybe not. But thankfully we're past that ridiculous phase of talking about how Novak is still unproven on clay since his comeback and Rafa's on his last legs so Thiem should actually be the favorite"

Referrals to "talk" are done when it is done on a large basis, otherwise why would you be going to the pains of talking about whole threads?

Also, there will always be people that would think something different (including that Thiem is the favourite), so what exactly are you referring to?

It is not the predominant opinion, and it is not the said posters, so which group is the focus of your comment?

:cool:
An opinion can be widespread without being literally 99%.

Maybe I just spend more time in the daily match threads than you do? So I see a lot more of the quick over-reactionary "Yeah, Rafa's not winning RG" comments everytime he misses a routine backhand.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
#35
An opinion can be widespread without being literally 99%.

Maybe I just spend more time in the daily match threads than you do? So I see a lot more of the quick over-reactionary "Yeah, Rafa's not winning RG" comments everytime he misses a routine backhand.
So, it is not the majority (which never held such opinion), and it is not some people (who will continue to consider Thiem the favourite, no matter what), so the reality is that whatever you are talking about doesn't refer to any scenario of consequence/longstanding position that has any effect on anything.

If I am to ask what "widespread" refers to I am sure that I will read another custom made non-consequential explanation.

Where do you learn to write like that: Daily Mail?

Oh, and, by the way, your effort to involve the thread I made with your implications is another proof that you use quite liberally your conclusions of who thinks what.

:cool:
 
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DSH

Hall of Fame
#36
When the fans understand that neither the cheerladers nor the haters have influcience with the possible outcome of the event.
This thread is a big fail, and only has the intention of provoking controversy and child disputes that exacerbate the mood of the participants.
It always amazes me or should not, the stupidity of humankind.
(n)
 
#41
The second set is a bad sign for Rafa I think.

I bet I could good odds betting on Djokovic right now. And I think that’s the smart money
Sure. I think that 2nd set was just a blip though and I wouldn't read too much into it. Serving from behind you can't afford to make many mistakes anyway.

As I saw it, Rafa wasn't getting blown away by Novak's ground game at any point, and did not look out of sorts like the AO final (fatigue for Novak was definitely a factor here too, no doubt). His forehands were firing all cylinders and his movement was on target. He was on top of the ball most of the time and opening the court at will. The cross court exchanges (forehand to backhand) weren't bothering him as much and he was covering down the line very well. Those are all very good signs.

As for the RG odds, I wouldn't put money on anyone else especially at RG but that is just me.
 
#43
Sure. I think that 2nd set was just a blip though and I wouldn't read too much into it. Serving from behind you can't afford to make many mistakes anyway.

As I saw it, Rafa wasn't getting blown away by Novak's ground game at any point, and did not look out of sorts like the AO final (fatigue for Novak was definitely a factor here too, no doubt). His forehands were firing all cylinders and his movement was on target. He was on top of the ball most of the time and opening the court at will. The cross court exchanges (forehand to backhand) weren't bothering him as much and he was covering down the line very well. Those are all very good signs.

As for the RG odds, I wouldn't put money on anyone else especially at RG but that is just me.
Good analysis (y) I think Novak and Rafa will be the ones to look out for at RG for sure..
 

DSH

Hall of Fame
#44
Better than Nadal but it's not hard to reach the 2nd round
¿?
Again, that doesn't make any sense.
Last year Nadal was a semifinalist losing in the match of the tornament against eventual champion, Novak Djokovic, your beloved idol was defeated on his favorite surface by a player like Anderson, someone known with few successes in the Majors, nothing comprable in a round earlier, the quarterfinals.
When I asked for your prediction for Wimbledon, I meant it, but you always succumb to the troll you have inside and do not respond with clarity or reason.
Ironically more than Federer, your answers resemble the personality of Djokovic, which I find very curious.
 
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#45
¿?
Again, that doesn't make any sense.
Last year Nadal was a semifinalist losing in the match of the tornament against eventual champion, Novak Djokovic, your beloved idol was defeated on his favorite surface by someone like Anderson, someone known with few successes in the Majors, nothing comprable in a round earlier, the quarterfinals.
When I asked for your prediction for Wimbledon, I meant it, but you always succumb to the troll you have inside and do not respond with clarity or reason.
Ironically more than Federer, your answers resemble the personality of Djokovic, which I find very curious.
2012-2017
 
#48
Sure. I think that 2nd set was just a blip though and I wouldn't read too much into it. Serving from behind you can't afford to make many mistakes anyway.

As I saw it, Rafa wasn't getting blown away by Novak's ground game at any point, and did not look out of sorts like the AO final (fatigue for Novak was definitely a factor here too, no doubt). His forehands were firing all cylinders and his movement was on target. He was on top of the ball most of the time and opening the court at will. The cross court exchanges (forehand to backhand) weren't bothering him as much and he was covering down the line very well. Those are all very good signs.

As for the RG odds, I wouldn't put money on anyone else especially at RG but that is just me.
I guess what I was getting at is, Rafa should have won that easily in straights. Djokovic was definitely not playing at anything close to his best. And even at that, he was able to take a set.

To me, that’s troubling for Nadal.

If this were the French Open, Novak would have given it all he had. How much was that? Hard to say. So I guess the worry for Novak is, will he be in the same condition facing Rafa in the finals? Can he win 7 matches?

To me, this was a weird clay season. It didn’t look like Rafa gave his best effort for much of it either. The only tournament I put any stock in with him is Rome. I really don’t think he cared about winning every clay tournament this year. I think both Rafa and Novak were just pacing themselves to peak and win the only tournament on clay that really matters to either of them.

I think it’s going to be a hell of a finals between them in 3 weeks, but I’ve got Djokovic taking it in 4 sets
 
#49
I guess what I was getting at is, Rafa should have won that easily in straights. Djokovic was definitely not playing at anything close to his best. And even at that, he was able to take a set.

To me, that’s troubling for Nadal.

If this were the French Open, Novak would have given it all he had. How much was that? Hard to say. So I guess the worry for Novak is, will he be in the same condition facing Rafa in the finals? Can he win 7 matches?

To me, this was a weird clay season. It didn’t look like Rafa gave his best effort for much of it either. The only tournament I put any stock in with him is Rome. I really don’t think he cared about winning every clay tournament this year. I think both Rafa and Novak were just pacing themselves to peak and win the only tournament on clay that really matters to either of them.

I think it’s going to be a hell of a finals between them in 3 weeks, but I’ve got Djokovic taking it in 4 sets
Good post. Yeah, I definitely understand your point about Novak taking that set. Valid observation. But then, they have always had ebbs and flows in their marathon matches. Even in top form, Rafa goes through slumps and raises his game again. Same for Novak. Serving from behind, you start falling back on the scoreline and before you know it, the opponent can sneak the set away. I mean, Novak got only 2 break points in the entire set and was able to convert one, the set point. For me, that doesn't show the entire picture especially because Rafa wasn't on the ropes the entire set, and did not seem uncomfortable. Movement was good, forehand was working and he wasn't troubled by Novak's cross court backhand that pushes him aside and opens the court for Novak most of the time.

And by same token, had Rafa converted any of the 4 break point chances he had, we would most likely have a very different scoreline. I think that 0-40 game where Novak saved those three break points was the game which affected the set the most in Novak's favor.

As for his chances at FO, we all know when Rafa is on the terre battue in Chatrier, he is a whole another beast. And it would make sense to call it a fluke if it was just once or twice but 11 times? I am admittedly mindful of his age/stamina though and not so sure about marathon 5 setters anymore. Father time is merciless. But still.

I also think that given the way he was playing Rome final, and now a win over Novak giving him the much needed mental edge going into RG, most of the doubts over his form will be laid to rest by the rest of the field and Rafa himself too. I also understand that Novak won Madrid and that is a big confidence boost, but he lost (getting first ever bagel from Rafa, and a breadstick along the way) to the guy who has always been the clear RG favorite for over a decade. That I think will also play with him mentally. But credit where due, Novak is a gladiator and you just don't want to count him out.

I agree about both of them wanting the slam bad. But given their last meeting (today) and the form Rafa brought, I will be favoring Rafa in 4.

Lets meet up back here after the RG and exchange notes (y)
 
#50
Good post. Yeah, I definitely understand your point about Novak taking that set. Valid observation. But then, they have always had ebbs and flows in their marathon matches. Even in top form, Rafa goes through slumps and raises his game again. Same for Novak. Serving from behind, you start falling back on the scoreline and before you know it, the opponent can sneak the set away. I mean, Novak got only 2 break points in the entire set and was able to convert one, the set point. For me, that doesn't show the entire picture especially because Rafa wasn't on the ropes the entire set, and did not seem uncomfortable. Movement was good, forehand was working and he wasn't troubled by Novak's cross court backhand that pushes him aside and opens the court for Novak most of the time.

And by same token, had Rafa converted any of the 4 break point chances he had, we would most likely have a very different scoreline. I think that 0-40 game where Novak saved those three break points was the game which affected the set the most in Novak's favor.

As for his chances at FO, we all know when Rafa is on the terre battue in Chatrier, he is a whole another beast. And it would make sense to call it a fluke if it was just once or twice but 11 times? I am admittedly mindful of his age/stamina though and not so sure about marathon 5 setters anymore. Father time is merciless. But still.

I also think that given the way he was playing Rome final, and now a win over Novak giving him the much needed mental edge going into RG, most of the doubts over his form will be laid to rest by the rest of the field and Rafa himself too. I also understand that Novak won Madrid and that is a big confidence boost, but he lost (getting first ever bagel from Rafa, and a breadstick along the way) to the guy who has always been the clear RG favorite for over a decade. That I think will also play with him mentally. But credit where due, Novak is a gladiator and you just don't want to count him out.

I agree about both of them wanting the slam bad. But given their last meeting (today) and the form Rafa brought, I will be favoring Rafa in 4.

Lets meet up back here after the RG and exchange notes (y)
I’m watching the draw. To me, Thiem is the guy neither wants on their half.

I think Kyrgios could possibly give Novak a test; maybe Wawrinka. Rafa won’t have any problems with either of these guys.

I don’t think any of them can beat Rafa or Novak, but they could take valuable energy. Fed could also make both guys work a bit more than they want to.

The difference for the final will be who comes in fresher. I hope they both make it with full energy and give us a finals to remember.
 
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