Preserving tennis strokes and timing when playing ping-pong in the winter
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only crossover i was able to practice in table tennis, was keeping my eyes on contact.... but otherwise, it's a completely different stroke where i mostly only have time to "arm" it back (and i have shakehands grip... even less crossover with a penhold grip))
table tennis is generally good for "quick feet".....
Mountain Ghost
Professional
It is totally possible to use a table tennis setup to practice tennis-specific technique ... but best if you are hitting with another tennis player ... or a robot ... NOT keeping score ... and NOT playing at competition speeds. The normal pace of table tennis does not allow for (full) tennis-style preparations or strokes ... and your body will naturally react impulsively with movements not helpful to your tennis game. If, however, you slow the pace down and focus strictly on "proper" tennis technique ... it CAN help to develop "good" muscle memory.
I recently had some custom paddles made that have 4" inches added to the handle (to accommodate 2-handed backhands) and have a weight similar to that of a light tennis racquet. I am installing a table and a high-quality robot (ball machine) ... in the development of a system where tennis players can repeat thousands of "correct" muscle memories on specific stroke aspects. The key word here is "correct" ... as in specific, intelligent and ... preferably ... under the guidance of a tennis pro.
Coming SOON ... to every tennis club ... and tennis player's home ... on the planet ... ... ... MOUNTAIN GHOST TENNIS !!! ~ MG
I recently had some custom paddles made that have 4" inches added to the handle (to accommodate 2-handed backhands) and have a weight similar to that of a light tennis racquet. I am installing a table and a high-quality robot (ball machine) ... in the development of a system where tennis players can repeat thousands of "correct" muscle memories on specific stroke aspects. The key word here is "correct" ... as in specific, intelligent and ... preferably ... under the guidance of a tennis pro.
Coming SOON ... to every tennis club ... and tennis player's home ... on the planet ... ... ... MOUNTAIN GHOST TENNIS !!! ~ MG
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
The kinetic chain (KC) is often different for pp than for tennis -- at least the KC used by many Asian and other pp players. I have seen some European pp styles that employ a more tennis-like KC. You can strive for that. Some of us have even incorporated a 2-handed BH for pp (altho pro pp players don't do this).
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SystemicAnomaly
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It is totally possible to use a table tennis setup to practice tennis-specific technique ... but best if you are hitting with another tennis player ... or a robot ... NOT keeping score ... and NOT playing at competition speeds. The normal pace of table tennis does not allow for (full) tennis-style preparations or strokes ... and your body will naturally react impulsively with movements not helpful to your tennis game. If, however, you slow the pace down and focus strictly on "proper" tennis technique ... it CAN help to develop "good" muscle memory.
I recently had some custom paddles made that have 4" inches added to the handle (to accommodate 2-handed backhands) and have a weight similar to that of a light tennis racquet. I am installing a table and a high-quality robot (ball machine) ... in the development of a system where tennis players can repeat thousands of "correct" muscle memories on specific stroke aspects. The key word here is "correct" ... as in specific, intelligent and ... preferably ... under the guidance of a tennis pro.
Coming SOON ... to every tennis club ... and tennis player's home ... on the planet ... ... ... MOUNTAIN GHOST TENNIS !!! ~ MG
GR8 stuff. Didn't know that you were still around. Good see you're back, MG.
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S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
TT is also good for the quick reactions needed for doubles volley exchanges.
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please post a vid!It is totally possible to use a table tennis setup to practice tennis-specific technique ... but best if you are hitting with another tennis player ... or a robot ... NOT keeping score ... and NOT playing at competition speeds. The normal pace of table tennis does not allow for (full) tennis-style preparations or strokes ... and your body will naturally react impulsively with movements not helpful to your tennis game. If, however, you slow the pace down and focus strictly on "proper" tennis technique ... it CAN help to develop "good" muscle memory.
I recently had some custom paddles made that have 4" inches added to the handle (to accommodate 2-handed backhands) and have a weight similar to that of a light tennis racquet. I am installing a table and a high-quality robot (ball machine) ... in the development of a system where tennis players can repeat thousands of "correct" muscle memories on specific stroke aspects. The key word here is "correct" ... as in specific, intelligent and ... preferably ... under the guidance of a tennis pro.
Coming SOON ... to every tennis club ... and tennis player's home ... on the planet ... ... ... MOUNTAIN GHOST TENNIS !!! ~ MG
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
It is totally possible to use a table tennis setup to practice tennis-specific technique ... but best if you are hitting with another tennis player ... or a robot ... NOT keeping score ... and NOT playing at competition speeds. The normal pace of table tennis does not allow for (full) tennis-style preparations or strokes ... and your body will naturally react impulsively with movements not helpful to your tennis game. If, however, you slow the pace down and focus strictly on "proper" tennis technique ... it CAN help to develop "good" muscle memory.
I recently had some custom paddles made that have 4" inches added to the handle (to accommodate 2-handed backhands) and have a weight similar to that of a light tennis racquet. I am installing a table and a high-quality robot (ball machine) ... in the development of a system where tennis players can repeat thousands of "correct" muscle memories on specific stroke aspects. The key word here is "correct" ... as in specific, intelligent and ... preferably ... under the guidance of a tennis pro.
Coming SOON ... to every tennis club ... and tennis player's home ... on the planet ... ... ... MOUNTAIN GHOST TENNIS !!! ~ MG
Just use 2 paddles simultaneously like @LGQ7 uses 2 racquets simultaneously.
pencilcheck
Hall of Fame
Wow, that is the weirdest table tennis racquet I have ever seen!!
coupergear
Professional
I grew up playing a lot of ping pong in the rec room. I don't think there is much direct crossover nor do I think is there any real damage done by playing a lot of ping pong it's just too different to either mess up or improve your strokes in tennis. So if you're playing less actual tennis yes you are skills are going to get rusty.
I will say though when I first started playing ping pong before I really used a lot of spin, as most people do, people play a push game where hold the paddle frying pan BH and block balls all back.
I think that is a as good an analogy/feel of hitting volleys in tennis as anything. I think some of my ability for volleys came from those initial days of ping-pong with the hand-eye coordination and blocking the ball back. It's very similar timing and footwork.
so for all you people who are really flummoxed by the volley and just can't seem to get it maybe try some ping pong!!
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Don't know about direct crossover but no doubt that pp helped my tennis. Didn't pick up tennis til I was ~21. Prior to that, not much athletic activity except for some rec pp from the age of 10 onward. No formal training but I did develop my hand-eye with pp. Mastered putting topspin and other spins on a ball.
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S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
TT helped me recognize the sidespin from junkballers that can bedevil other rec players.
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
The best thing you can do for tennis, when you can't play...is to WATCH tennis.
All these other racquet sports are too different to really help you. Tennis is the queen, the most powerful and most deliberate.
If I haven't played in a while, I will watch videos and work on visualization. That helps A LOT when I need to shake off rust.
All these other racquet sports are too different to really help you. Tennis is the queen, the most powerful and most deliberate.
If I haven't played in a while, I will watch videos and work on visualization. That helps A LOT when I need to shake off rust.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
How is it that you have 1327 messages and 1132 likes? That's the highest % I've ever seen! Professional quality. You should go on tour.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Disagree. Strongly. PP and, even moreso, badminton helped my tennis game. Even the RF, the GOAT, has indicated that badminton and other sports helped him to develop his tennis game. Witness, the squash shots and the jumping overhead (badminton-style) that he employs. Pretty certain that he played PP, badminton, squash and other sports as he was developing his tennis.
NY Times: How Badminton Helped Federer’s Game
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SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
OK, I'll concede that. And I had forgotten about badminton.
But...that's Fed. What works for him may not work for others.
I know that racquetball made me much more comfortable going to one hand on the BH side in tennis...but I'm not sure that helped me very much. Until 2015ish I was still returning serve with one hand, and struggling badly. My hitting partner worked with me on fixing that and now I have a much more solid return game.
On the plus side it still helps me on the run and when defending.
I hadn't actually taken notice of that. But that's an 85% winning percentage for my posts! lol
Best guess, it's because I stay out of the noxious Fedalovic debate tangents.
I don't post enough to know who people are, so I'm not pre-judging anything I respond to. I have my hot takes and my strong opinions but I try to state them factually and respectfully.
I guess it's working. Thanks for pointing that out!
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coupergear
Professional
I think you make a great point any type of racket sport where your racket is an extension of your arm is going to help with coordination timing athleticism etc. No doubt.
However the op seems to be getting at whether he can maintain his tennis game via ping pong practice. In lieu of actually playing tennis. I don't believe that a lot of ping pong is going to keep you from getting rust if you don't play tennis for a long stretch.
but who knows maybe just the hand-eye coordination at least keeps you in the game a little bit? So playing ping pong would be slightly better than doing nothing?
