Prestige of players beat in Slam finals/semi

Phoenix1983 said:
Yeah, I get that - I'm an atheist myself. Although the vast majority of people in Western countries spend time with their families/loved ones on Christmas Day, in spite of their religious beliefs. They don't spend it gathering and posting stats supporting Novak Djokovic for tennis websites. However, I don't know where Lew comes from.
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Italy.
 
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Phoenix1983 said:
Yeah, I get that - I'm an atheist myself. Although the vast majority of people in Western countries spend time with their families/loved ones on Christmas Day, in spite of their religious beliefs. They don't spend it gathering and posting stats supporting Novak Djokovic for tennis websites. However, I don't know where Lew comes from.
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In Serbia, we celebrate Christmas (with families/loved ones, just as you described) on January 7th (Gregorian calendar), so it could be that Lew is my fellow Serb. :)
 
Phoenix1983 said:
Yeah, I get that - I'm an atheist myself. Although the vast majority of people in Western countries spend time with their families/loved ones on Christmas Day, in spite of their religious beliefs. They don't spend it gathering and posting stats supporting Novak Djokovic for tennis websites. However, I don't know where Lew comes from.
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Yes, or spend time with loved ones whenever he can, like I do and many do too.
Its not your business to take care of his or anyone else schedule.
And if he spend too much time on tennis matter, I have feeling you spent even more, so dont make anyone no lifer here, if dont have anything to say about topic.
And he obliously like statistics, like me, so its win win situation.
 
Lew II said:
Geometric mean doesn't give much weight to that no.395, and there are even more outliers for Djokovic and Nadal, since they beat more players who are still young and can climb that GOAT ranking
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Ummmm, so you think that throwing in a 188 and a 395 and a whatever into the calculation together with a 2, a 4, a `10, etc. makes for a meaningful statistic??
 
I wonder how Federer would score more wins over number 2 Djokovic in 2009AO-2010AO?

I mean, he reached every slam final, except Nole was busy losing to Roddick, Kohlschreiber, Haas, Tsonga the round before.

Then when Nole peaks in 2011-2012? Fed is right there again making constant SF with 5 slam meetings.

Nole peaks again in 14-16? Fed is there again with 4 meetings aged 32-34.

2017 when Fed has a resurgence and looks better than ever with the new racket from the baseline? Nole too busy losing to Istomin, Berdych, Chung to reach Fed.

Federer is the true GOAT. He’s always been there making SF/F more than anyone else.
 
KINGRAFA said:
if only meaningful discussion is had about what it means
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meaningful discussion would only be possible if you believe there is linear significance to the numbers used, for example that beating #100 is twice the accomplishment of beating #200. Since injuries in the past year, variation of tournament schedules among players, somewhat arbitrary ranking points assigned to different tournaments, and a myriad other issues make that not the case, the data are pointless.
 
beard said:
Yes, or spend time with loved ones whenever he can, like I do and many do too.
Its not your business to take care of his or anyone else schedule.
And if he spend too much time on tennis matter, I have feeling you spent even more, so dont make anyone no lifer here, if dont have anything to say about topic.
And he obliously like statistics, like me, so its win win situation.
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I’ve already given responses on the topic itself - you clearly haven’t been reading it. I have no idea whether I spend more time on “tennis matter” than Lew, but I certainly take breaks from posting.

It was just noticeable that Lew continued doing the same repetitive stats gathering and posting on a day when the vast majority of those living in the Western world (as he’s now confirmed he does) would take a break from such things.

Read into that what you will.
 
Lew II tries to find a way to mathematically describe strengths of opposition different player faced. That is not an easy task and he has to try many different things. This approach deserves to be commanded and not ridiculed. I take that all these attacks on Lew II personal life, habits, culture, whatever, serves to distract him and shut him down.

@Lew II, whoever you are, I appreciate your attempts to do something constructive, as opposed to many here.
 
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ABCD said:
Lew II tries to find a way to mathematically describe strengths of opposition different player faced. That is not an easy task and he has to try many different things. This approach deserves to be commanded and not ridiculed.
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No, it deserves to be treated as pointless. Rankings are ordinal numbers and should not be treated like cardinal numbers as a way to assess a player's opponents.
 
ollinger said:
No, it deserves to be treated as pointless. Rankings are ordinal numbers and should not be treated like cardinal numbers as a way to assess a player's opponents.
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

Don't criticize. Do it.

tennisaddict said:
You are talking way too much sense. And @ABCD claims to be an academician specializing in statistics.
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21 and you are never to be seen here again.
 
Lew II said:
He became the most accomplished player ever (+) by beating players who were not among the most accomplished ever (-).
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So you're saying that he's not the greatest?

How does Djokovic or Nadal beating him prove that they are any good?
 
tennis_pro said:
We were here in 2013 and 2016. I don't remember you posting here at all during 2017 and the first half of 2018 you wave riding wimp.
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You were here whining about weak era the whole time. No good graces. That doesn't count.
 
ABCD said:
Don't criticize. Do it.
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Don't do it. Criticize it when it's worthless.

I guess you also believe a win against the guy ranked 100 is exactly twice as prestigious as a win against the guy ranked 200, because that's the sort of assumption this house of cards is built on. Bravo for the effort, but that doesn't mean the result is worth a damn.
 
125downthemiddle said:
You were here whining about weak era the whole time. No good graces. That doesn't count.
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How does that compare to what I just said? Federer was the no 2 player in the world in 2014-2015, reaching Slam finals, winning Masters and was the only player who was able to beat Djokovic on a consistent basis despite being 33/34 years old. Super hard times to be a Fed fan. :/
 
ollinger said:
Don't do it. Criticize it when it's worthless.

I guess you also believe a win against the guy ranked 100 is exactly twice as prestigious as a win against the guy ranked 200, because that's the sort of assumption this house of cards is built on. Bravo for the effort, but that doesn't mean the result is worth a damn.
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If you have issues with the methodology feel free to show your methodology. Explain how would you assess strength of players objectively and in unbiased way. Do it now.

Lew II is infinitely better than usual "because I say so", "woulda shoula, coulda" etc.
 
Lew II said:
Roddick beat 1 top ten at Wimbledon in all his career, and 1 in other grass tournaments.

The competition he faced other than Federer was a joke.
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He beat Hewitt in 04 at Queens one week before he reentered the top 10, also had wins over other Wimbledon semifinalists Ancic x2 and Grojean - all top 10 if not top 5 grass courters that year. All in 2004.

In 2005 he beat Grojean again and also a guy like Coria who was top 10 at the beginning and end of the year but dropped out for a bit in the middle.

Basically what I'm saying is your stats are often arbitary and often serve to expose you...
 
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LOL. Wuss like you who vanished 2016-18 reminding others is funny
 
ABCD said:
If you have issues with the methodology feel free to show your methodology. Explain how would you assess strength of players objectively and in unbiased way. Do it now.

Lew II is infinitely better than usual "because I say so", "woulda shoula, coulda" etc.
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Do what?

8-)
 
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