Prestige of players beat in Slam finals/semi

[Sport]

Cmon what?

Bring some data.

Usually Federer fans do not reply to your comments with data supporting the assumption that Federer's GS rivals were comparable in strength with Djokodal. Instead, they simply say your data are pointless.

An unusual exception is @Towny. He has made some interesting replies to your comments with data.

 

[tennisaddict]

Usually Federer fans do not reply to your comments with data supporting the assumption that Federer's GS rivals were comparable in strength with Djokodal. Instead, they simply say your data are pointless.

An unusual exception is @Towny. He has made some interesting replies to your comments with data.

Lew’s Stats will show Djokovic did good if Fed at 43 years makes it to Djokovic in a major final . Similarly if Anderson goes on to win 5 majors from here , Djokovic would claim to have Wimb 18 over a 5 major winner

Such is the stupidity

 

[Towny]

Usually Federer fans do not reply to your comments with data supporting the assumption that Federer's GS rivals were comparable in strength with Djokodal. Instead, they simply say your data are pointless.

An unusual exception is @Towny. He has made some interesting replies to your comments with data.

I think it's unfair to say all the data that Lew presents is pointless and cherry picked and therefore invalid. I think it's reasonable to engage with his data and if his conclusions seem erroneous, to explain why you think that is. However, his data is not faultless and I have sometimes had to correct mistakes. He ignores some of the counter arguments given. And he only really presents stats that fit his narrative. When I created the ELO thread, he straight up admitted that he only used Elo as it presented 2003-7 in a bad light and 2011-16 in a good light.

Anyway, I appreciate the shout out. I really try to engage with what is presented as fairly as I can, although I don't manage that all the time.

 

[NoleFam]

Yourself, hitman, Doctor, jm1980 will always deserve my respect for that.

But I can make a long list of those who vanished- includes assjoker, abcd. cygs, 5555, djok2011 and even Nolefam was seen hardly ever.

Now i know what the excuse would be - this place was too intolerable with the Fedal euphoria and all that. But fact remains most of the members were more happy about Fedal's success and sympathetic towards Djoker's injury

Contrast that with what happens now -- there is not a celebration of Djoker's success - 3 out of 3 majors . Lew opens every day a thread diminishing Fed and folks like ABCD, CYGS all add fuel to fire.

Djokovic2011 had personal issues he had to deal with that were far more important than his favorite player losing a tennis match (which he told everyone on here that was listening) and I made over 2700 posts in 2017 when my favorite player was struggling and yours was dominating. So if you "hardly seen" me then you need to get your vision checked. I think I have been over this before with you and I took breaks in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018. Everyone's life doesn't revolve around ttw 24/7 like yours seemingly does and when they leave for a bit it doesn't necessarily mean they can't handle their player losing. It's amazing that this is some big achievement for you.

 

[Sport]

I think it's unfair to say all the data that Lew presents is pointless and cherry picked and therefore invalid. I think it's reasonable to engage with his data and if his conclusions seem erroneous, to explain why you think that is. However, his data is not faultless and I have sometimes had to correct mistakes. He ignores some of the counter arguments given. And he only really presents stats that fit his narrative. When I created the ELO thread, he straight up admitted that he only used Elo as it presented 2003-7 in a bad light and 2011-16 in a good light.

Anyway, I appreciate the shout out. I really try to engage with what is presented as fairly as I can, although I don't manage that all the time.

Yes. Your ELO thread was really data-based and interesting, thus worth of discussion!

 

[tennisaddict]

Djokovic2011 had personal issues he had to deal with that were far more important than his favorite player losing a tennis match (which he told everyone on here that was listening) and I made over 2700 posts in 2017 when my favorite player was struggling and yours was dominating. So if you "hardly seen" me then you need to get your vision checked. I think I have been over this before with you and I took breaks in 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018. Everyone's life doesn't revolve around ttw 24/7 like yours seemingly does and when they leave for a bit it doesn't necessarily mean they can't handle their player losing. It's amazing that this is some big achievement for you.

One doesn’t need great observational skills to see who is around and who is not

It is common knowledge that the Djokovic fan base here is the most cowardly one except a few notable exceptions I listed

 

[NoleFam]

One doesn’t need great observational skills to see who is around and who is not

It is common knowledge that the Djokovic fan base here is the most cowardly one except a few notable exceptions I listed

Well obviously your observational skills are not that great if you think Djokovic2011 wasn't around because Novak was struggling. He himself was struggling and was dealing with quite a bit. To insinuate he was cowardly because he wasn't around shows you in a bad light. However, I don't think anyone around would mistake you as being a great moral authority and credible judge on anyone's character.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Well obviously your observational skills are not that great if you think Djokovic2011 wasn't around because Novak was struggling. He himself was struggling and was dealing with quite a bit. To insinuate he was cowardly because he wasn't around shows you in a bad light. However, I don't think anyone around would mistake you as being a great moral authority and credible judge on anyone's character.

He said that he didn't see him around, and you confirm what he says.

One doesn't have to be particularly invested in following who is here and who isn't either: you need to see what is on the first page day after day and you get an idea which fanbase is most vocal and presented, and, yes, when Djokovic was not playing well there wasn't much presence from the more established posters (maybe 4-5 people).

However, the Djokovic fanbase successfully acquired the tactic of the Nadal fanbase and "new users" or users that weren't really all that active started appearing like mushrooms after rain: aditya123, ADuck, AndyM, AngryBirds, Asif, astronautzor, Bavaria, beard, brickier_damage, Broken Gears, Comb Over Champion, Lew1/2, djokerer, Dr moose, Drlexus, Eye Test, nick_crompton, Noletheking, Pantera, Freezer, punter lad, Spenser Bore and many many more

I have never seen anything like this, yet Federer fans are accused of swamping this place.

The most amusing part is that there are trends/waves of the trolls: the current one is the pseudo statisticians, before them were the pseudo historians, before them were the "also fans", before them were the astrologists etc etc. It is like a mental institution.

 

[helterskelter]

Yes, there is many more non cristians in world than cristians. And there are many atheists even in mainly cristian countries. And there are even Pastafarians like I am who doesn't give shee. about some pagan stuff.

All this is true, but it's also true that there are many atheists or agnostics or non-Christians who celebrate Christmas with their family.

 

[Druss]

LOL at Ferrer ranking in top 30, well ahead of Safin!

 

[Lew II]

There's no point going back and forth on this. I already gave you a scenario that would improve federer's geometric mean by losing more which clearly invalidates the criteria.

You didn't show me how the criteria could put Federer as the greatest if he lost more.

He should have lost like 10 slams to Roddick/Hewitt to make them look as ATGs, but with 10 slam titles he would certainly not be the GOAT.

 

[Lew II]

Usually Federer fans do not reply to your comments with data supporting the assumption that Federer's GS rivals were comparable in strength with Djokodal. Instead, they simply say your data are pointless.

An unusual exception is @Towny. He has made some interesting replies to your comments with data.

@Towny just shows some flaws in my criterias, but no criteria is flawless, that's why I use many different criterias.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

LOL at Ferrer ranking in top 30, well ahead of Safin!

When the ridiculousness and ignorance don't know boundaries such things can happen.

 

[Username_]

These psuedo stats day in day out to diminish Federer appear to be such an embarrassment compared to back in the days on TT forums when all you read was "23-10" from a certain fanbase.

OP needs to up his game

 

[Tennis_Hands]

These psuedo stats day in day out to diminish Federer appear to be such an embarrassment compared to back in the days on TT forums when all you read was "23-10" from a certain fanbase.

OP needs to up his game

LOL

23-10, Davis cup, OG, RG, old geezer from weak era, grass incompetent, AO history etc etc.

All pretty much in the History book of Hilarity.

No doubt that these current musings will be added there soon (but they are not as remarkable, so maybe just a mass of indefinite unrest before the big three retire).

 

[Lew II]

Since the focus is about Grand Slams, I should probably use the second ranking, which gives more weight to Slam results:

• GS, titles and No. 1 focus - Grand Slam tournament titles are emphasized with x 4 the default weight, other GS tournament points (F, SF, QF) x 2, other titles x 2 (resulting in 1 GS = 4 Masters, 1 title = 4 finals), Grand Slam achievement points x 4 and weeks at No. 1 points x 4

Not a big change, but this way Wawrinka (no.29) and Safin (no.31) are above Ferrer (no.33), for example. Which seems fair.

Here is the result in the geometric mean:

finals:

Nadal 6.80
Djokovic 7.13
Federer 18.82

semifinals:

Djokovic 16.52
Nadal 19.87
Federer 29.92

 

[beard]

All this is true, but it's also true that there are many atheists or agnostics or non-Christians who celebrate Christmas with their family.

Yes, but there are those like me (lives in cristian country) who hate to give anything special to such holidays because I hate religion and its impact on human society. I like to spend those days like any free day, with or without family (have two children) or friends, with or without this forum. And wouldn't like someone to call me no lifer because of my decision. Its not nice. This site is about tennis....

 

[Gazelle]

He became the most accomplished player ever (+) by beating players who were not among the most accomplished ever (-).

Is there another way to become the most accomplished. Only one can be that guy.