Prestige Pro vs Phantom Pro 100p

[buda77]

Hello TW. I am a big fan of both the shop and the community and been following a lot of posts.

Now I could use some advise. I am looking for a new racket and I narrowed it down to the Prestige Touch Pro and the Prince Phantom 100p Pro. I checked a lot of shops on Switzerland but none offer Demos of either of the two rackets.

I played with the HEAD Prestige graphene Pro which had a considerably higher swing weight than the graphene Touch pro.

can anybody share some light on how they two rackets compare? Kind regards and thank you for any input.


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[toby55555]

You can of course demo from TW for only the cost of postage.

 

[buda77]

You can of course demo from TW for only the cost of postage.

Hi Toby. As I wrote TW does not send demos to Switzerland.


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[lucieisland]

hello.. just my experience...

my brother give me 2 head prestige IG MP... so heavy for me.
i give him back his prestige, and he looking for me two prestige IG S, they were not good for me, on stock, a friend decide to custom them, with 2X2g at 2-11, and 4g on handle, and when i trying this, there wasnt the same frame..

there is two years, i'm loosing my bag, with 3 prestige IG S, and decide to try the XT model, the graphene model, many people say that prestige S IG have nothing to do with prestige, that they are false prestige, but in the end, with a few grams of lead they are doing very well. but I find that the graphene and and XT prestige have even less to do with IG MP prestige for example, I tried them, stock, leaded, to any sort of string at different tension, it was impossible, I lost at less than fifteen matchs before deciding to ask my brother to find me new old prestige IG S.

there, last week, I tried two rackets, which I find good alternatives (more expensive yes) to the prestige. especially the S IG prestige.

these are the donnay pro one hexacore (and pentacore) 97. and a little bigger, donnay 102 allwood.
I tried a few minutes (45 and 30) pentacore 97 (57RA) allwood (50RA). as the pentacore, I took about 5 minutes to regain my marks, and it was progressing like IG S prestige, but better, more control, mastery. the allwood 102 are confusing. already, the size of the sieve, I do not understand why donnay did not release a model 97, 98 or 99 maximum. it's a framework beyond everything. once we understand how it works it's hard to get back to something else. so much control, comfort, we put the ball or we want the eyes closed !.

i decide to order 4 frames... 2 allwood, and 2 pentacore 97!

now, I will have to get rid of my prestige IG S, and my prestige IG MP .. quickly. my banker will not be happy.

 

[buda77]

hello.. just my experience...

my brother give me 2 head prestige IG MP... so heavy for me.
i give him back his prestige, and he looking for me two prestige IG S, they were not good for me, on stock, a friend decide to custom them, with 2X2g at 2-11, and 4g on handle, and when i trying this, there wasnt the same frame..

there is two years, i'm loosing my bag, with 3 prestige IG S, and decide to try the XT model, the graphene model, many people say that prestige S IG have nothing to do with prestige, that they are false prestige, but in the end, with a few grams of lead they are doing very well. but I find that the graphene and and XT prestige have even less to do with IG MP prestige for example, I tried them, stock, leaded, to any sort of string at different tension, it was impossible, I lost at less than fifteen matchs before deciding to ask my brother to find me new old prestige IG S.

there, last week, I tried two rackets, which I find good alternatives (more expensive yes) to the prestige. especially the S IG prestige.

these are the donnay pro one hexacore (and pentacore) 97. and a little bigger, donnay 102 allwood.
I tried a few minutes (45 and 30) pentacore 97 (57RA) allwood (50RA). as the pentacore, I took about 5 minutes to regain my marks, and it was progressing like IG S prestige, but better, more control, mastery. the allwood 102 are confusing. already, the size of the sieve, I do not understand why donnay did not release a model 97, 98 or 99 maximum. it's a framework beyond everything. once we understand how it works it's hard to get back to something else. so much control, comfort, we put the ball or we want the eyes closed !.

i decide to order 4 frames... 2 allwood, and 2 pentacore 97!

now, I will have to get rid of my prestige IG S, and my prestige IG MP .. quickly. my banker will not be happy.

Hi Lucieisland
Great insight and a very interesting read. But how does it relate to the question of comparison between Prince Phantom 100p pro and Prestige Pro?


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[lucieisland]

for me these frame are on the same level...
small beam, flex -60RA

i think, the phantom pro is a frame made to concurence prestige classic, pt57 etc...(on the choice you can puy wilson ultra tour too i supose)

on this logic, prestige pro (16/19) are very good frame..but not in grahene version.. imo, a good frame (16/19 and flex under 62), is olds prestige pro/s ( ig), i supose radical intelligence and mg, and the recent donnay hexacore 97

but, if you realy want my opinion between prestige graphene pro ant phantom pro, phantom is the better choice for me....(for the reasons on my other post)

 

[buda77]

Cool thank you very much for the insight!!! Have a great day.


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[toby55555]

Hi Toby. As I wrote TW does not send demos to Switzerland.


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I misread your post as you had tried lots of shops in Switzerland. Odd TW doesn’t send to Switzerland.

 

[buda77]

Hahaha that‘s because we Swiss are a bit odd (but very likeable)
Anyway do you have any recommendations on Prestige Touch pro vs Phantom pro 100p


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[sma1001]

Prestige P vs P100P. Both are thin beamed players racquets with an open string pattern. For me the Prestige offers more pinpoint control but with a smaller sweetspot and less spin. It has a relatively "modern" feel - so feels stiffer than the specs suggest. The P100P has quite a large sweetspot (when on spec) with a huge spin window. The pattern is also more open and it has more of a classic "box beam" feel. The result is a forgiving racquet that hits quite a loopy ball with lots of kick spin. Prestige hits a flatter and less spinny ball. Personally i prefer the more forgiving nature and feel of the Prince, but others will disagree.

 

[buda77]

Prestige P vs P100P. Both are thin beamed players racquets with an open string pattern. For me the Prestige offers more pinpoint control but with a smaller sweetspot and less spin. It has a relatively "modern" feel - so feels stiffer than the specs suggest. The P100P has quite a large sweetspot (when on spec) with a huge spin window. The pattern is also more open and it has more of a classic "box beam" feel. The result is a forgiving racquet that hits quite a loopy ball with lots of kick spin. Prestige hits a flatter and less spinny ball. Personally i prefer the more forgiving nature and feel of the Prince, but others will disagree.

Awesome thanks for your input. Really great insight!!


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[flanker2000fr]

Just looking at the racquets you are selecting, you seem to be looking for a racquet that:
- is predominantly a control frame
- offers decent spin potential
- is not too low on power
- is comfortable
- has a decent swing weight in stock form

I only have limited experience with the Head Prestige line, but if you are used to some of the heavier Prestige Graphene Pro, the Prestige Touch Pro might be the way to go, as you will be familiar with the head shape and general feel of the racquet, in a more playable package.

The Phantom Pro 100P is my current racquet of choice, and I really like it. It offers pretty much all of the characteristics I describe above. The swing weight is fairly hefty at 329, but still manageable. I get great spin out of that racquet, but tend to break string more quickly than with the Phantom 93P (18x20) I alternate with. So I had to go from a 17 gauge to a 16L or 16 gauge in the Hyper G that I use. I find it to be a great frame for the all round type of play I favour: lots of spin on kick serve, big forehand, sliced backhand and net play. It also helped me quite a bit in weaker areas of my game: return of serve (I clear the net more easily thanks to the open pattern / high launch angle) and topspin one handed backhand (very round head / big spin window). The only two knocks I have is that I have lost a bit of speed on serve compared to the 93P, and although I find the sweet spot quite generous when strung at 48lbs, the ball tends to fly if hit outside the sweet spot. Overall, I think it is a great frame, once one finds the right string setup. Overall, I find the Prince Phantom line to be one of the best offerings around, for someone who wants a racquet with a thin beam and traditional feel.

I hope this helps.

 

[buda77]

Just looking at the racquets you are selecting, you seem to be looking for a racquet that:
- is predominantly a control frame
- offers decent spin potential
- is not too low on power
- is comfortable
- has a decent swing weight in stock form

I only have limited experience with the Head Prestige line, but if you are used to some of the heavier Prestige Graphene Pro, the Prestige Touch Pro might be the way to go, as you will be familiar with the head shape and general feel of the racquet, in a more playable package.

The Phantom Pro 100P is my current racquet of choice, and I really like it. It offers pretty much all of the characteristics I describe above. The swing weight is fairly hefty at 329, but still manageable. I get great spin out of that racquet, but tend to break string more quickly than with the Phantom 93P (18x20) I alternate with. So I had to go from a 17 gauge to a 16L or 16 gauge in the Hyper G that I use. I find it to be a great frame for the all round type of play I favour: lots of spin on kick serve, big forehand, sliced backhand and net play. It also helped me quite a bit in weaker areas of my game: return of serve (I clear the net more easily thanks to the open pattern / high launch angle) and topspin one handed backhand (very round head / big spin window). The only two knocks I have is that I have lost a bit of speed on serve compared to the 93P, and although I find the sweet spot quite generous when strung at 48lbs, the ball tends to fly if hit outside the sweet spot. Overall, I think it is a great frame, once one finds the right string setup. Overall, I find the Prince Phantom line to be one of the best offerings around, for someone who wants a racquet with a thin beam and traditional feel.

I hope this helps.

Wow truly good argumentation. I hear so much about both rackets. Maybe the string breaking is the ultimate argument as I tend to break my strings very often....


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[flanker2000fr]

Wow truly good argumentation. I hear so much about both rackets. Maybe the string breaking is the ultimate argument as I tend to break my strings very often....


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To put things in perspective: I break the Hyper G 17 after about 7 hours of play in the PP100P, and that's me hitting quite hard, and using a ton of kick on the serve, both 1st and 2nd. In the 93P, which is smaller and 18x20, the same string lasts me 12 hours, after which I have to cut it as it is going dead. I believe I can probably add a couple of hours of play by going to a 16 gauge in that string in the PP100P, getting close to 10 hours. So not that far off the time I would cut it anyway, and not bad overall. Certainly not as bad as when I was playing a Prince Graphite Pro 90 in the 80's, and breaking strings like crazy (combination of 14x18 and nylon, as poly didn't exist at the time).

But the Head might be easier on the strings, having a slightly tighter pattern and smaller hoop. It's also likely to play a bit firmer than the Prince, if that's a consideration.