Prime Djokovic v prime Federer on all surfaces?

[T007]

After shifting to new racquet Fed started losing to Djokovic in rallies plus lack of power in returns as he aged also weakened him

But here we are discusssing about Prime Version of both

 

[RS]

Underating of 2009 Federer on grass

Really?

 

[RS]

Yes, there were several words missing from that post lol.

Hewitt AO 05 SF vs Murray AO 12 SF?

 

[Fiero425]

How Djoker sobbed in pain after 2015 FO Final.

...and in 2016 at the Olympics being upset in the 1st round to Del Po!

 

[Sunny014]

But here we are discusssing about Prime Version of both

Prime to Prime Federer beats him black and blue at wimbledon, uso, at the french as well steals win and probably loses in close 5 sets at the AO since those conditions are too slow and help novak's return.

That is simple, but I was wondering that Fed should have developed a henin backhand early on and worked more on his upper body strength to become physically stronger to overpower djokodal, he never did this in his peak, a big mistake.

Whoever was his strength trainer was a big fail.....

 

[RS]

We're all singing to your tune aren't we?

USO ->

2007 - 7/10
2010 - 7.5/10
2011 - 9/10
2012 - 8/10
2013 - 7.5/10
2015 - 9/10
2018 - 8.5/10


Wimbledon ->

2011 - 9/10
2013 - 5/10
2014 - 9/10
2015 - 9.5/10
2018 - 8.5/10
2019 - 9/10
2021 - 8.5/10

The same for AO finals?

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Grass- Federer
Clay - Djokovic
Fast HC - Federer
Slow HC - Very, very close, I'm leaning slightly for Djokovic.

Overall Federer wins in this particular matchup, but individual matchups don't mean much, you play against a whole field. Djokovic would do much better than Federer peak vs peak against Nadal, for instance.

 

[NatF]

Hewitt AO 05 SF vs Murray AO 12 SF?

Hewitt in five

 

[RS]

Djokovic 2015 could take on peak Sampras, that's how good he was that day.

A few adustments for me would be that 2011 Djokovic is better than 2018 Djokovic and Federer would have more trouble with that version. I would have to think more though about which versions I think were better than Federer.

I've always thought that 2009 was probably the weakest Wimbledon winning Federer though but I think he probably beats 2019 Djokovic but not 2021.

What makes you pick Wim 2021 Djokovic over Wim 2009 Federer?

 

[RS]

Hewitt in five

Federer Wim 2009 final vs Djokovic Wim 2015 final?

 

[Kralingen]

Federer Wim 2009 final vs Djokovic Wim 2015 final?

I got Djokovic in 5 here

 

[RS]

I got Djokovic in 5 here

Roddick Wim 2009 final vs Federer Wim 2014 final?

 

[Kralingen]

Roddick Wim 2009 final vs Federer Wim 2014 final?

Flip a coin on the TBs honestly. Federer was pretty clutch in 2014. I want to pick Andy as I think he was overall better start to finish in 2009 but got tight in both 2nd&3rd set TBs.

 

[Deleted member 779124]

Guys stop engaging with RS matchups you keep falling into the same trap

 

[abmk]

The problem Peak Federer would have faced against a top level Djokovic on grass is the same as the one Old Federer faced, which is that Djokovic would get too many returns back into awkward positions and force Federer into baseline rallies. Then Federer would struggle with the inferiority of his backhand once the rally reached a neutral point, which is how Nadal and Djokovic both dominated him at the slams.

Modern grass isn't quite fast enough for Federer to servebot against Djokovic for 5 sets unless he serves like he did in the Murray 2015 SF, which Federer has never done in a slam final.

what a load of utter and complete bullcr*p.
federer on grass from the baseline > djokovic on grass from the baseline
fed's BH held up just fine in 2012 Wimbledon, let alone at peak level.

Djokovic is not winning more than 25% of matches vs fed on grass prime to prime.
All fed needs to serving wise is serve decently, nothing more.

 

[RS]

what a load of utter and complete bullcr*p.
federer on grass from the baseline > djokovic on grass from the baseline
fed's BH held up just fine in 2012 Wimbledon, let alone at peak level.

Djokovic is not winning more than 25% of matches vs fed on gras prime to prime.
All fed needs to serving wise is serve decently, nothing more.

Welcome back.

 

[abmk]

As far as thread goes,
over an extended prime period:
prime fed beats prime Djokovic at RG, Wim, USO, YEC
Djokovic wins at AO on plexi

 

[abmk]

Welcome back.

not really in much of a mood. I see the Djoko nutsoboys are still ruining this forum with their crappy nonsense.

 

[RS]

not really in much of a mood. I see the Djoko nutsoboys are still ruining this forum with their crappy nonsense.

I was just saying it but IDM if you don't engage in the thread or not.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Prime Federer

 

[mike danny]

Yea until you see that that also happened in years when he wasn't 38.

Well for one, peak Djokovic wouldn't play a match as bad as that one.

Yea Federer has 6 AOs but did he dominate the AO like Djokovic has at Wimbledon? Did he do a 3 peat or win 5/7 of them?

Fed won 4/7 in 2004-2010 so pretty close. He's also defended the title twice.

Which years by the way? Can't remember him ever screwing up a slam final like that. USO 2011 was just one tournament.