Prime Fed vs Djokovic at the USO : 1 set lost in 3 matches (including prime level djoko in USO 08)

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Prime fed beat Djoko in 07 in straight sets
Prime fed beat prime level djoko in 08 in 4 sets
Prime fed beat Djoko in 09 in straight sets

So only 1 set lost in 3 matches - including 1 where Djoko was prime level (USO 08) and having a pretty good year



Enjoy!
 
That point at 10:58 in 2008....
The 2011 return shot already happened before. The warning was there!
And already, Federer couldn't believe it.
 
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Prime Djokovic in 2008!? The guy who was losing to every Tom, Dick and Harry in the second half of the 2008 season. 8-B Lol Djokovic should have lost already to the effing Robredo in the 1/8 final. He was that bad in the 2008 USO. ;)
 
Apollo17 said:
I'm surprised you didn't make a thread about their AO07 match as well considering how desperate you are :-D.
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Reminding people of some things and for putting a check on some of the BS from djoko fanboys/fed haters isn't desperation. :-D

But if you don't want countering of such 5+4 = 27 threads by them, that's your problem.
And I am doing it with sanity, not with nonsense. So no similar AO 07 thread. (sorry to disappoint you)
 
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abmk said:
Reminding people of some things and for putting a check on some of the BS from djoko fanboys/fed haters isn't desperation. :-D

But if you don't want countering of such 5+4 = 27 threads by them, that's your problem.
And I am doing it with sanity, not with nonsense. So no similar AO 07 thread. (sorry to disappoint you)
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abmk said:
what is not sane about what I said?
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Making multiple threads about these matches at the same time seems like stooping to Djoker fanboys nonsense, but then Lew did you a favor and stoop even lower with that QUOTE-worthy comment from your other thread :-D.
 
Apollo17 said:
Making multiple threads about these matches at the same time seems like stooping to Djoker fanboys nonsense, but then Lew did you a favor and stoop even lower with that QUOTE-worthy comment from your other thread :-D.
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hey, 3 different slams. 3 different threads with highlights of the matches.
Again, simple question, what is not sane about what I said? You can't answer that, can you?
Just because I created threads doesn't mean its nonsense. If I was doing BS threads far off from reality or completely misleading, you'd have a point. I didn't.
 
abmk said:
hey, 3 different slams. 3 different threads with highlights of the matches.
Again, simple question, what is not sane about what I said? You can't answer that, can you?
Just because I created threads doesn't mean its nonsense. If I was doing BS threads far off from reality or completely misleading, you'd have a point. I didn't.
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What I was saying was that your threads are still a desperate attempt to prove a point, like Lew's are, even if these ones are based on real matches, while most of Lew's are based on meaningless statistics.
 
Apollo17 said:
What I was saying was that your threads are still a desperate attempt to prove a point, like Lew's are, even if these ones are based on real matches, while most of Lew's are based on meaningless statistics.
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Its to remind people of some things and to counter the nonsense of the fed-hating/crazy ones among the djoko fanboys.
A single thread wouldn't have the effect.
 
aldeayeah said:
What about 2010 and 2011? Those were some sick matches.

Had the original 15-40 and 40-15 respectively, too.
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2010 USO - fed sucked for 2 whole sets (2 and 4). not a sick match at all. djoko didn't play better than in any of their previous 3 encounters IMO. Did great to save those 2 MPs though.
2011 USO - was a pretty good match, but still falls short of prime level fed (worse than fed from USO 04-09). prime fed would not have been winded and moving sloppily like he was in set 4 of this match. found a 2nd wind in the 5th set, but then choked after that return.
 
2010 Djokovic was simply better anyway.
He could have won the final too, but he had no belief. Too tired from his sf
 
Those two are probably some of their most important matches legacy wise, though. In 2010 Fed lost the chance to try and deny Nadal the career slam. As for 2011, Djoker's year wouldn't have been nearly as impressive without the USO crown, with post peak Fed beating him in 2/4 slams.
 
aldeayeah said:
Those two are probably some of their most important matches legacy wise, though. In 2010 Fed lost the chance to try and deny Nadal the career slam. As for 2011, Djoker's year wouldn't have been nearly as impressive without the USO crown, with post peak Fed beating him in 2/4 slams.
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Without 2007 USO win, fed would only have 2 out of 4 slams in that year.
Without 2008 USO win, fed would have gone frickin slamless in 2008
Without 2009 USO semi win, fed wouldn't have come close to winning 3/4 slams in a year (2 points or a not playing that stupid dropshot away from winning)

2010 match doesn't really mean that much as fed would have to raise his level significantly from the semi.
2011 does matter quite a bit obviously
 
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abmk said:
Without 2007 USO win, fed would only have 2 out of 4 slams in that year.
Without 2008 USO win, fed would have gone frickin slamless in 2008
Without 2009 USO semi win, fed wouldn't have come close to winning 3/4 slams in a year (2 points or a not playing that stupid dropshot away from winning)

2010 match doesn't really mean that much as fed would have to raise his level significantly from the semi.
2011 does matter quite a bit obviously
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That's a good point, I guess once you get so close to the business end of a slam all matches are important.

It's just that the stakes felt lower in the early matches, because fed was so dominant and you didn't really expect nole to win. Post-2008 and especially post-2009 the narrative shifted quite a bit.
 
Djokovic at 20 was making slam finals and only mental vulnerability stopped him from breaking through against Federer at USO in 2007 (the AO the following year was simply confirmation of that fact). Meanwhile an older Federer was losing to the likes of Arazi in Paris in straights coming off a masters win two weeks prior. Would love to have seen a young Federer coming up against a peak Djokovic and (especially) a peak Nadal. We saw how much even a peak/prime Federer struggled with Youngdal and how the losses that ensued affected his confidence, so how badly would a younger Federer fare against peak Nadal and what affect would those losses have had on his development given the mental vulnerabilities that have manifested themselves throughout his career? Luckily for you Federer rose in a vacuum and had complete and utter freedom and space in which to develop his game, unlike Djokovic and Nadal, so a possible Dimitrov-esque (albeit to a much lesser degree obviously) situation was avoided.
 
Mivic said:
Djokovic at 20 was making slam finals and only mental vulnerability stopped him from breaking through against Federer at USO in 2007 (the AO the following year was simply confirmation of that fact). Meanwhile an older Federer was losing to the likes of Arazi in Paris in straights. Would love to have seen a young Federer coming up against a peak Djokovic and (especially) a peak Nadal. We saw how much even a peak/prime Federer struggled with Youngdal and how the losses that ensued affected his confidence, so how badly would a younger Federer fare against peak Nadal and what affect would those losses have had on his development given the mental vulnerabilities that have manifested themselves throughout his career? Luckily for you Federer rose in a vacuum and had complete and utter freedom and space in which to develop his game, unlike Djokovic and Nadal.
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Rate Djokovic USO finals out of 10.
 
Mivic said:
Djokovic at 20 was making slam finals and only mental vulnerability stopped him from breaking through against Federer at USO in 2007 (the AO the following year was simply confirmation of that fact). Meanwhile an older Federer was losing to the likes of Arazi in Paris in straights. Would love to have seen a young Federer coming up against a peak Djokovic and (especially) a peak Nadal. We saw how much even a peak/prime Federer struggled with Youngdal and how the losses that ensued affected his confidence, so how badly would a younger Federer fare against peak Nadal and what affect would those losses have had on his development given the mental vulnerabilities that have manifested themselves throughout his career? Luckily for you Federer rose in a vacuum and had complete and utter freedom and space in which to develop his game, unlike Djokovic and Nadal.
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No.
Djokovic only choked the first set. If fed had lost it, he'd have raised his level and beaten him in 4 sets most probably.
The following year at USO in 2008 was confirmation of that. Not AO 08 with mono fed. I made this thread including a mention of USO 08, but that went over your head?

Fed trailed h2h with Agassi, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Henman and turned them all around in spectacular fashion. Only an ignorant fellow or hater can say it was freedom or vaccum.

Nadal anyways got the mental advantage with majority or close to 50% of their matches being played on clay. Youngdal was prime Nadal on clay.
06-07 part of his grass prime.

As far as Djokovic is concerned, past his prime fed was the only one coming close to beat him in slams in 11.
Was 2-3 vs peak djokovic in slams in 11-12. A point away from 3-2. Djokovic so lucky to have far more matches with advantages to him.

Also re: djoko in 07 vs fed in 02, that part is true. what you forgot to mention is 09-10 for djoko, clearly worse than 03-04 for fed (corresponding years).
 
aldeayeah said:
That's a good point, I guess once you get so close to the business end of a slam all matches are important.

It's just that the stakes felt lower in the early matches, because fed was so dominant and you didn't really expect nole to win. Post-2008 and especially post-2009 the narrative shifted quite a bit.
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not in 08. Fed had not won a slam that year. After 11 slams in 4 years (04-07), the stakes were huge.
People tend to forget these things.
 
Mivic said:
Djokovic at 20 was making slam finals and only mental vulnerability stopped him from breaking through against Federer at USO in 2007 (the AO the following year was simply confirmation of that fact). Meanwhile an older Federer was losing to the likes of Arazi in Paris in straights coming off a masters win two weeks prior. Would love to have seen a young Federer coming up against a peak Djokovic and (especially) a peak Nadal. We saw how much even a peak/prime Federer struggled with Youngdal and how the losses that ensued affected his confidence, so how badly would a younger Federer fare against peak Nadal and what affect would those losses have had on his development given the mental vulnerabilities that have manifested themselves throughout his career? Luckily for you Federer rose in a vacuum and had complete and utter freedom and space in which to develop his game, unlike Djokovic and Nadal, so a possible Dimitrov-esque (albeit to a much lesser degree obviously) situation was avoided.
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young Fed had to deal with:
Sampras
Agassi
Hewitt
Roddick
Safin

Young Djokodal had to deal with:
Fed

Now the big question.
Which younger ATGs are chasing Djokodal?
you know, like they chased Fed
like Fed & his generation chased those before them
 
blablavla said:
young Fed had to deal with:
Sampras
Agassi
Hewitt
Roddick
Safin

Young Djokodal had to deal with:
Fed

Now the big question.
Which younger ATGs are chasing Djokodal?
you know, like they chased Fed
like Fed & his generation chased those before them
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You asked that question 100 times.
 
blablavla said:
So I'd expect at least one decent answer to it
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I'll try.

I think that Federer had enough freedom from Djokodal (outside clay) in 2001-06. Not Djokodal's problem that he managed to win his 1st Slam when he was 22.

Also, which older ATGs did Federer chase? Post-prime Sampras and Agassi?
 
Nole Slam said:
I'll try.

I think that Federer had enough freedom from Djokodal (outside clay) in 2001-06. Not Djokodal's problem that he managed to win his 1st Slam when he was 22.

Also, which older ATGs did Federer chase? Post-prime Sampras and Agassi?
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question is which younger ATGs are chasing Djokodal
how Sampras and Agassi are linked to this? lol
 
blablavla said:
question is which younger ATGs are chasing Djokodal
how Sampras and Agassi are linked to this? lol
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To be fair, atleast there's a show against Nadal on clay even though its unsuccessful till now, unfortunately there's no show against Djokovic on grass!! The one who got more benefited from young gens is Djokovic to be fair
 
blablavla said:
question is which younger ATGs are chasing Djokodal
how Sampras and Agassi are linked to this? lol
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We already know that younger ATGs are not chasing Djokodal. That's why I responded the way I did.

The point is that I don't think that Federer often had to chase older in-form ATGs himself. Also, he had 6 years without peak Djokodal arriving.
 
Nole Slam said:
We already know that younger ATGs are not chasing Djokodal. That's why I responded the way I did.

The point is that I don't think that Federer often had to chase older in-form ATGs himself. Also, he had 6 years without peak Djokodal arriving.
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peak or not, at what age Nadal:
"bloccupied" clay?
became world #2?

Fed had to deal with:
Agassi, peak or not, he was still reaching GS finals and late rounds
plethora of folks that reached #1 and won GS tournaments: Kuerten, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero in no particular order
 
blablavla said:
peak or not, at what age Nadal:
"bloccupied" clay?
became world #2?

Fed had to deal with:
Agassi, peak or not, he was still reaching GS finals and late rounds
plethora of folks that reached #1 and won GS tournaments: Kuerten, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Ferrero in no particular order
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Nadal won FO in 2005. That's why I originally said outside clay.

Then I can say that Djokovic had to deal with:
Federer, peak or not, he was still winning GS titles, reaching GS finals and late rounds.
Nadal, peak or not, he's an ATG from Djoko's own generation that he had to deal with. Or the other way around.
Murray, a borderline great, and then peaking Wawrinka...
 
If the roles were reversed and it was prime Djoko playing 20yo Fed then Feddy boy wouldn't get more than 3 games in a set. Novak should have won in 2007 and overall all the matches were respectable fights from Novak.
 
Nole Slam said:
Nadal won FO in 2005. That's why I originally said outside clay.

Then I can say that Djokovic had to deal with:
Federer, peak or not, he was still winning GS titles, reaching GS finals and late rounds.
Nadal, peak or not, he's an ATG from Djoko's own generation that he had to deal with. Or the other way around.
Murray, a borderline great, and then peaking Wawrinka...
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I think nobody denies that Novak dealt superbly with his own generation

just like nobody should argue that Fed had poor generation. Given that he peaked later, he had to take down some great peers
and no, I don't think that he had 6 years of no competition

while Djokodal have nobody chasing them.
folks 12 years younger are far from Roddick, Safin and Hewitt.
just to put things in perspective

it is the way it is
not Djokodal fault
but those who are throwing stones at weak era, should admit that 2015 onward is weaker than the weak era
 
blablavla said:
I think nobody denies that Novak dealt superbly with his own generation

just like nobody should argue that Fed had poor generation. Given that he peaked later, he had to take down some great peers
and no, I don't think that he had 6 years of no competition

while Djokodal have nobody chasing them.
folks 12 years younger are far from Roddick, Safin and Hewitt.
just to put things in perspective

it is the way it is
not Djokodal fault
but those who are throwing stones at weak era, should admit that 2015 onward is weaker than the weak era
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Many objective Federer fans say that 2015 was a decent year. Talk about 16-20 all you want, but leave Djokovic's 2015 out of it.
 
Nole Slam said:
Many objective Federer fans say that 2015 was a decent year. Talk about 16-20 all you want, but leave Djokovic's 2015 out of it.
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yeah, but the tour isn't made of 2 players

if you only are pushed to the limits 4-6 times per year, you can play many years
the trick with older athletes is the recovery time
if they are pushed to the limits 2-3 times at every major tournament, there is no way they can dominate like Big 3 does today

that's why Agassi eventually retired, he couldn't bring his top form to every match during the season
and that's why many other folks retired
Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Kuerten, Ferrero, Davydenko, Nalbandian might be way below the Big 3, and even below Sampras and Agassi, but collectively they were pushing them to the limits often enough to break them down
tear & wear
that's the part that is missing since a long time
 
abmk said:
If 2015 was a decent year, then so was 2006 and so was 2010.
Not too big of a difference b/w the 3 years.
I prefer to say relatively weak years for all 3.
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2015 APT top 5 and 10 set a record for highest points total ever. And you want to compare it to 2006 with Ljubicic and Blake finishing the year in the top 5 o_O
 
abmk said:
choking 1 set isn't choking the whole match.
do you really want to keep displaying such partisan hackery?
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Joker had 4 set points in the first and two sets points in the second, not counting the break points he had in the third.
It is clear that this title of your idol was more due to the Serbian's shortcomings than the Swiss's virtues.
:D
 
DSH said:
Joker had 4 set points in the first and two sets points in the second, not counting the break points he had in the third.
It is clear that this title of your idol was more due to the Serbian's shortcomings than the Swiss's virtues.
:D
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fed saved both the SPs he had in the 2nd. Not a choke at all.
if fed had lost the 1st set, he'd have raised his level and beaten djokovic in 4 sets. He did beat Djokovic of USO 08 in 4 sets after all.

the desperation of the djoko fandom/fed dislike from you is palpable. :-D :-D
 
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