Prime Fed vs Djokovic at the USO : 1 set lost in 3 matches (including prime level djoko in USO 08)

[DSH]

fed saved both the SPs he had in the 2nd. Not a choke at all.
if fed had lost the 1st set, he'd have raised his level and beaten djokovic in 4 sets. He did beat Djokovic of USO 08 in 4 sets after all.

the desperation of the djoko fandom/fed dislike from you is palpable.

No, for you, someone who disagrees with your opinion deserves those qualifications and that is frankly regrettable. Please, that version of Federer was beatable and unfortunately Djokovic did not know how to take advantage of that opportunity.

 

[abmk]

No, for you, someone who disagrees with your opinion deserves those qualifications and that is frankly regrettable. Please, that version of Federer was beatable and unfortunately Djokovic did not know how to take advantage of that opportunity.

beatable by whom? Not 2007 USO djokovic.
Fed was worse in 2011 USO SF and peakiest of peak Djokovic had to save 2 MPs vs him

you started the qualification sh*t with the earlier post in another thread and then same what if "poor woe be Djokovic" in this thread.

 

[InsideOut900]

fed saved both the SPs he had in the 2nd. Not a choke at all.

Didn't Djoko miss a FH by an inch on the 2nd one?

beatable by whom? Not 2007 USO djokovic.
Fed was worse in 2011 USO SF and peakiest of peak Djokovic had to save 2 MPs vs him

Maybe better in the 3rd set lol. With how Fed played in the first 2 sets during 2007 F, he could have easily lost them both to 2011 Djoker.
Severe case of underrating how well Fed played to get a 2 sets to 0 lead in 2011. Of course he couldn't keep at it after that.

 

[abmk]

Didn't Djoko miss a FH by an inch on the 2nd one?

in a rally that went beyond 5-6 shots and Djoko barely missed.

Maybe better in the 3rd set lol. With how Fed played in the first 2 sets during 2007 F, he could have easily lost them both to 2011 Djoker.
Severe case of underrating how well Fed played to get a 2 sets to 0 lead in 2011. Of course he couldn't keep at it after that.

fed 07 loses the 1st set if he plays that loose game to get broken as he did, but he'd probably tighten up his game after that.

I was evaluating the matches as a whole anyways.
07 fed might also turn up sharper vs 2011 Djokovic (he did vs Roddick in the QF) - he could raise his level if required. that's the point.

 

[InsideOut900]

in a rally that went beyond 5-6 shots and Djoko barely missed.

fed 07 loses the 1st set if he plays that loose game to get broken as he did, but he'd probably tighten up his game after that.

I was evaluating the matches as a whole anyways.
07 fed might also turn up sharper vs 2011 Djokovic (he did vs Roddick in the QF) - he could raise his level if required. that's the point.

We never know. In both 2011 RG and USO, Fed managed to frontrun after getting the 1st set.
The 2nd was even more dominant in both instances. If he doesn't get the early lead, he might be in trouble down the road.

You can't always command how sharp you turn out either, off days can happen to anyone. Also very good patches like the first 2 sets from 2011 USO SF can happen when you least expect them.

 

[abmk]

We never know. In both 2011 RG and USO, Fed managed to frontrun after getting the 1st set.
The 2nd was even more dominant in both instances. If he doesn't get the early lead, he might be in trouble down the road.

You can't always command how sharp you turn out either, off days can happen to anyone. Also very good patches like the first 2 sets from 2011 USO SF can happen when you least expect them.

I agree. Its not that easy to guess here.

But the main argument was 2007 USO federer was so beatable by 2007 USO djokovic.
Even if fed had lost the 1st set, I don't think so.


"It is clear that this title of your idol was more due to the Serbian's shortcomings than the Swiss's virtues."

When I see stuff like this from djoko fans/fed dislikers or haters, it deserves to be dismissed badly for its ridiculousness.
(even more so considering each of Djokovic's wins over Fed at the USO were closer than USO 07 final)

the hype over Djokovic choking away 1 set (and djoko got that break courtesy fed UEs anyways) is downright humungous and ridiculous - especially since he didn't even win any other set.

 

[DSH]

For Federer fans it's either white or black:
If he plays very well, he cannot lose.
If it's the other way around, the possibility exists somehow.

 

[abmk]

For Federer fans it's either white or black:
If he plays very well, he cannot lose.
If it's the other way around, the possibility exists somehow.

for fed haters its like this:
1 player chokes a set away vs fed (after fed gifts him the break with UFEs) -> He'd have won vs Fed if not for choking away that set. ROTFL.

humungously desperate overreach

Another one which you started before this:

That whole semifinal was played indoors.
Outdoors, the result could have been completely different.

when I called that out, you slunk away to do the same in another thread.
So stop playing the victim.

fed beat djokovic outdoors in RG 11 and had MPs vs him outdoors in USO 11. So wouldn't have made that much of a difference. (Djoko did beat fed indoors YEC final in 12)
Now Wim 18 SF OTOH, Djokovic benefited from it being indoors vs Nadal.

 

[DSH]

At 26 and the No.1 player in the world for the last 187 weeks, Federer took advantage of Djokovic’s mistakes, capturing a 7-6 (4), 7-6 (2), 6-4 victory that gave him his 12th Grand Slam title and his fourth straight Open title.

Federer Downs Djokovic to Capture Fourth Straight U.S. Open Title (Published 2007)

Roger Federer, the No.1 player in the world for the last 187 weeks, took advantage of Novak Djokovic’s mistakes to capture a 7-6 (4), 7-6 (2), 6-4 victory.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Deleted member 777746]

lol prime Fed lost 2 sets alone in his 2010 match with Nole, not to mention the match. Let's not even mention prime Fed in 2011 and Peakerer in 15

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Prime Djokovic in 2008!? The guy who was losing to every Tom, Dick and Harry in the second half of the 2008 season. Lol Djokovic should have lost already to the effing Robredo in the 1/8 final. He was that bad in the 2008 USO.

This is the same guy who argues 07 AO Nole should be factored into discussions about peak/prime play between Fed and Nole

 

[Deleted member 777746]

At 26 and the No.1 player in the world for the last 187 weeks, Federer took advantage of Djokovic’s mistakes, capturing a 7-6 (4), 7-6 (2), 6-4 victory that gave him his 12th Grand Slam title and his fourth straight Open title.

Federer Downs Djokovic to Capture Fourth Straight U.S. Open Title (Published 2007)

Roger Federer, the No.1 player in the world for the last 187 weeks, took advantage of Novak Djokovic’s mistakes to capture a 7-6 (4), 7-6 (2), 6-4 victory.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah, everyone watching the match at the time knew it was on Nole's racket for the first two sets, but his newbie status meant he didn't know how to handle the pressure. If I were a Fedfan, I'd want to forget about a match where a 20 year old almost beat my guy when I consider him at his peak, not advertise it lol

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Yeah, everyone watching the match at the time knew it was on Nole's racket for the first two sets, but his newbie status meant he didn't know how to handle the pressure. If I were a Fedfan, I'd want to forget about a match where a 20 year old almost beat my guy when I consider him at his peak, not advertise it lol

Lol silly, worst case it's kinda like PETE v Chang in 1993, 6-7(0) 7-6(2) 6-1 6-1 to remind. Btw Djok 07 > Chang 93.

 

[Crazy Finn]

lol prime Fed lost 2 sets alone in his 2010 match with Nole, not to mention the match. Let's not even mention prime Fed in 2011 and Peakerer in 15

I hope that last one is a joke.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Lol silly, worst case it's kinda like PETE v Chang in 1993, 6-7(0) 7-6(2) 6-1 6-1 to remind. Btw Djok 07 > Chang 93.

Of course Open finalist Djoker is greater than Chang. He was greater than Federer after all

 

[Druss]

2010 USO - fed sucked for 2 whole sets (2 and 4). not a sick match at all. djoko didn't play better than in any of their previous 3 encounters IMO. Did great to save those 2 MPs though.
2011 USO - was a pretty good match, but still falls short of prime level fed (worse than fed from USO 04-09). prime fed would not have been winded and moving sloppily like he was in set 4 of this match. found a 2nd wind in the 5th set, but then choked after that return.

Between Federer's USO 2011 and 2015, which do you think played better (throughout the tournament i.e.)?

 

[DSH]

Yeah, everyone watching the match at the time knew it was on Nole's racket for the first two sets, but his newbie status meant he didn't know how to handle the pressure. If I were a Fedfan, I'd want to forget about a match where a 20 year old almost beat my guy when I consider him at his peak, not advertise it lol

It seems that some lost their sense of sight that time!

 

[maratha_warrior]

Fed Fan says - Djokovic was in prime at US Open in 2007,08,09 aged 20 ,21,22

Federer was also in prime at age 20,21,22 .
His results -
2001- 4th round beaten by Agassi
2002 - 4th round beaten by M Mirnyi
2003 - 4th round beaten by Nalbandian

 

[CYGS]

Desperate

 

[blablavla]

Desperate

you entered into a self-reflection mode?
wow

 

[abmk]

Fed Fan says - Djokovic was in prime at US Open in 2007,08,09 aged 20 ,21,22

Federer was also in prime at age 20,21,22 .
His results -
2001- 4th round beaten by Agassi
2002 - 4th round beaten by M Mirnyi
2003 - 4th round beaten by Nalbandian

Actually you didn't read properly: I only said prime level Djokovic for USO 08.

"Prime Fed vs Djokovic at the USO : 1 set lost in 3 matches (including prime level djoko in USO 08)"

 

[abmk]

At 26 and the No.1 player in the world for the last 187 weeks, Federer took advantage of Djokovic’s mistakes, capturing a 7-6 (4), 7-6 (2), 6-4 victory that gave him his 12th Grand Slam title and his fourth straight Open title.

Federer Downs Djokovic to Capture Fourth Straight U.S. Open Title (Published 2007)

Roger Federer, the No.1 player in the world for the last 187 weeks, took advantage of Novak Djokovic’s mistakes to capture a 7-6 (4), 7-6 (2), 6-4 victory.

www.nytimes.com

Fed being better than Djokovic was what won him the match in USO 07 final - the most major factor.
Players take advantage of other player's mistakes. Only an ignoramus/pretentious propagandist wouldn't know that/pretend not to know that. Doesn't mean those mistakes were the most major factor in the match.

 

[abmk]

Between Federer's USO 2011 and 2015, which do you think played better (throughout the tournament i.e.)?

USO 2011 clearly. clearly better FH, better movement as well
he cleaned up Monaco in the 4th round. played aggressive in the QF to not allow tsonga to tee off much and beat him straight sets (tsonga had beaten him at Wim - just the previous slam)
of course played better in the match vs peakest Djoko in USO 11 SF. djoko was clearly worse in USO 15 final and fed lost worse in that match.

one set lost vs Cilic in 3R in 2011 doesn't mean much

 

[mike danny]

Between Federer's USO 2011 and 2015, which do you think played better (throughout the tournament i.e.)?

Clearly 2011. No debate whatsoever.

 

[RS]

lol prime Fed lost 2 sets alone in his 2010 match with Nole, not to mention the match. Let's not even mention prime Fed in 2011 and Peakerer in 15

Was 2015 a peak Federer?

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Was 2015 a peak Federer?

 

[RS]

Taking that as a yes.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Taking that as a yes.

 

[RS]

lol prime Fed lost 2 sets alone in his 2010 match with Nole, not to mention the match. Let's not even mention prime Fed in 2011 and Peakerer in 15

 

[Deleted member 777746]

 

[RS]

Nice.

 

[Deleted member 777746]

Nice.

Rafa's forehand is damn beautiful. Especially on clay.
I still lol when people call it ugly.

 

[RS]

Rafa's forehand is damn beautiful. Especially on clay.
I still lol when people call it ugly.

Love the buggy whip forehand.