Prime Federer beats 2014 RG version Of Rafa..

[JaxTeller]

Discuss

 

[RS]

He beats no winning Nadal bar possibly 2022. How is that for a take

 

[DSH]

No.
Nadal is unrivaled on clay, let alone on RG playing at 70% and that's enough to beat guys like Federer and Djokovic on a regular basis.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

He beats no winning Nadal bar possibly 2022. How is that for a take

I'd say against 2011 he has a shot. His non-peak version had a decent chance if not for choking, so the 2006/2007 version might do it.

But yeah, other than that I don't see him winning against Nadal at RG except maybe 2022 and 2016. And 2015 pretty much for sure (although with Federer vs Nadal on clay you never know).

 

[Clay lover]

Time travel tennis... love it

 

[geromino]

He beats no winning Nadal bar possibly 2022. How is that for a take

Zero chance any Federer beats 2022 Nadal. Doubt any version of Federer could beat 2009, 2015, or 2021 Nadal either. Federer might have a chance against 2016 Nadal.

 

[abmk]

He beats no winning Nadal bar possibly 2022. How is that for a take

nadal weakest clay era vulture confirmed

 

[RS]

nadal weakest clay era vulture confirmed

Who cares

 

[JaxTeller]

I'd say against 2011 he has a shot. His non-peak version had a decent chance if not for choking, so the 2006/2007 version might do it.

But yeah, other than that I don't see him winning against Nadal at RG except maybe 2022 and 2016. And 2015 pretty much for sure (although with Federer vs Nadal on clay you never know).

If 2011 had a shot then why not 2014, 14 was noway better than 11..
Nadal was 2 steps slower in 2014 plus 70% of his prime physicality. Prime Fed beats that version imo

 

[DSH]

If 2011 had a shot then why not 2014, 14 was noway better than 11..
Nadal was 2 steps slower in 2014 plus 70% of his prime physicality. Prime Fed beats that version imo

Nadal would destroy him with his forehand down the line.

 

[abmk]

Who cares

You don't?

 

[RS]

You don't?

No

 

[Pheasant]

2006-07 Federer would be interesting vs 2014 Nadal at the FO. That looks like a coin flip to me. He'd beat 2015-16, and 2022 Nadal at the FO.

To be fair to Nadal, 2007-08 Nadal would beat 2009-2020 on grass(12 straight wins). So there you have it.

 

[abmk]

No

good to know. then you won't mind it if I keep on repeating it.

 

[RS]

good to know. then you won't mind it if I keep on repeating it.

Idm what opinions you repeat you can post what you want.

 

[jl809]

2014 Nadal would crush any Fed at RG with that insane forehand level. More on this story at 10.

You’re not asking the real questions. The real questions are:

• if 2009 Fed gets 2015 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG?
• if 2010 Fed gets 2016 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG?
• if 2015 Fed gets 2021 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG?
• if 2017 Fed plays clay after all and gets 2023 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG? (We can substitute in 2019 Fed here as he’s the closest Fed for comparison)

For me the answer to 3 of the 4 questions here is yes. But no-one wants to discuss this. It’s a conspiracy. No-one wants to talk about how being born in the wrong year denied Federer a triple career grand slam

 

[WildRevolver]

As vulnerable as 2014 Rafa was, he played that final like a wounded, dangerous animal. Such brutality on his FH. Djokovic had no idea what was happening.

 

[JaxTeller]

Nadal would destroy him with his forehand down the line.

Djokovic was pushing man.. Federer wouldn't give time to Nadal to unleash that FH..

 

[DSH]

Djokovic was pushing man.. Federer wouldn't give time to Nadal to unleash that FH..

Federer's backhand can't do anything against Nadal's forehand on clay, you should know that by now.

 

[The Blond Blur]

 

[TheNachoMan]

No version of Roger Federer beats any version of Rafael Nadal on Philippe Chatrier. There’s an alternative reality for everything, but not that.

 

[Apun94]

Time travel tennis... love it

IF IF IF IF IF IF

 

[daggerman]

He had 6 tries and never won more than 1 set in any single match. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt here, unfortunately.

His fans will have to settle for a resume that's arguably the best in the history of the sport. They don't get to pretend he was 20% better than he actually was.

 

[MeatTornado]

Probably losses the match with a higher dominance ratio, going 2 for 20 on BP.

 

[RS]

Perfect.

 

[helterskelter]

Time travel tennis... love it

Where's our Hall Monitor to tell us all about it?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Don’t see it. No version of Fed is beating Nadal on Chatrier. I’d still back Nadal in his worst years to find a way to win. He’d just abuse the one handed BH still.

 

[NonP]

No.
Nadal is unrivaled on clay, let alone on RG playing at 70% and that's enough to beat guys like Federer and Djokovic on a regular basis.

No version of Roger Federer beats any version of Rafael Nadal on Philippe Chatrier. There’s an alternative reality for everything, but not that.

I'd actually give prime Fraud a good shot against '22 Bull. The one-trick pony's 63.2% of GW at '22 RG is misleading due to Zverev's retirement and Ruud throwing in the towel early after DFing to hand over the 2nd set. His 60.3% for the CC season is more indicative of his actual level last year which is generally speaking no guarantee against a strong clay field. Definitely his least convincing RG run.

Against other championship versions of Pig-Pen, though? Yeah fuhgeddaboudit (unless you're talking an extensive monthlong series). But that goes for Djoker, too. You'd need peak Ivan/Mats/Guga/Sergi/Jim (and, of course, the great Bjorn Borg himself) to dethrone the Dirt King on Philippe Chatrier.

I'd say against 2011 he has a shot. His non-peak version had a decent chance if not for choking, so the 2006/2007 version might do it.

But yeah, other than that I don't see him winning against Nadal at RG except maybe 2022 and 2016. And 2015 pretty much for sure (although with Federer vs Nadal on clay you never know).

How can you consider '16 Bull when he didn't even finish the event, LOL.

And I'd pick plenty of guys over '15 Bull, BTW. He ended up with 60.7% of GW on dirt for the year only due to meaningless results at Rio, Buenos Aires and Hamburg. His GW% in the CC proper was 58.3%, not even on par with the best outings of Pistol, Corretja, Norman, Coria, Davy, Ferrer, Delpo, Gonzo, Kei, Muzz and Thiem (you get the idea). Zero chance he gets the better of actual RG champs in their dream runs (except maybe Gaudio).

 

[Razer]

No version of Federer beats any version of Nadal with that useless 1 handed backhand on clay.

The weakest version of Nadal would beat the strongest version of Federer at RG.

 

[metsman]

Nadal's edge off the baseline in 2011 was smaller than 05-07 despite Federer being much worse off the ground, and Federer's BH was barely being picked on in 2011 from the ground. What it tells us?

 

[TheNachoMan]

Nadal's edge off the baseline in 2011 was smaller than 05-07 despite Federer being much worse off the ground, and Federer's BH was barely being picked on in 2011 from the ground. What it tells us?

2011 had conditions that favored Fed

 

[Incognito]

He beats 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.

2006-2007 Fed would beat the above IMO.

2017 Rafa was a freak incident. He was almost as good as his younger self, turned back time at least 10 years that whole tournament. I dont think Fed would beat that one.

 

[intrepidish]

He beats 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.

This place gets funnier all the time. It's a miracle Nadal and Djokovic actually won a few matches against Roger (I assume he was drugged by Albanian super spies).

 

[zvelf]

2014 Nadal would crush any Fed at RG with that insane forehand level. More on this story at 10.

You’re not asking the real questions. The real questions are:

• if 2009 Fed gets 2015 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG?
• if 2010 Fed gets 2016 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG?
• if 2015 Fed gets 2021 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG?
• if 2017 Fed plays clay after all and gets 2023 Djokovic’s RG draw, does he win RG? (We can substitute in 2019 Fed here as he’s the closest Fed for comparison)

For me the answer to 3 of the 4 questions here is yes. But no-one wants to discuss this. It’s a conspiracy. No-one wants to talk about how being born in the wrong year denied Federer a triple career grand slam

Because people don't pretend hypotheticals actually mean anything unless one is delusional. Also, isn't it time for all these Federer threads to be in the Former Pros section?

 

[RS]

This is like saying Roddick AO 03 QF could beat Federer AO 12 SF but just a bit better.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

He beats no winning Nadal bar possibly 2022. How is that for a take

It's a dumb one.

 

[pedro94]

 

[RS]

It's a dumb one.

Why?

 

[Hitman]

Federer would find a way to choke it away.

 

[Incognito]

This place gets funnier all the time. It's a miracle Nadal and Djokovic actually won a few matches against Roger (I assume he was drugged by Albanian super spies).

Rafa was nowhere close to his best those years and you know it. Against the best version of Federer he would lose. Just like 2009 Rafa at AO would destroy 2017-2018 version of Federer.

 

[Towny]

I doubt it tbh. Nadal was hardly at his very best in 2014 but his forehand was scary good on that day. Peak Federer would have a decent shot at taking it to 5 but Nadal would win

 

[catskillthunder]

I sure hope your off spring and their off spring dont take after you and post on these forums in 70 years. 2083 version of Johnny Tennis would be 2075 version of Tommy Topspin. These threads are stupid as fk and its even worse that its got 40+ responses, including mine.

 

[JaxTeller]

He beats 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022.

2006-2007 Fed would beat the above IMO.

2017 Rafa was a freak incident. He was almost as good as his younger self, turned back time at least 10 years that whole tournament. I dont think Fed would beat that one.

Ofc..but I'm just counting Nadal's prime years.. 2005-14.. and I believe prime Federer beats 2014 version

 

[JaxTeller]

Nadal's edge off the baseline in 2011 was smaller than 05-07 despite Federer being much worse off the ground, and Federer's BH was barely being picked on in 2011 from the ground. What it tells us?

 

[Start da Game]

maybe he beats 14 year old rafa from 2001.....

 

[NeutralFan]

2006-07 Federer would be interesting vs 2014 Nadal at the FO. That looks like a coin flip to me. He'd beat 2015-16, and 2022 Nadal at the FO.

To be fair to Nadal, 2007-08 Nadal would beat 2009-2020 on grass(12 straight wins). So there you have it.

Djokovic is a tougher match up for Nadal and he dealt with peak Djokovic in 2014 and you think 2014 version won't win against a player Nadal had match up advantage? Brilliant! I agree with 2015 and 2021 version.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nadal is so epic on Chatrier it's ridiculous

 

[Backspin1183]

No version of Roger Federer beats any version of Rafael Nadal on Philippe Chatrier. There’s an alternative reality for everything, but not that.

Federer of 2006-2009 would beat 2015 Rafa.

 

[Backspin1183]

Where's our Hall Monitor to tell us all about it?

@GabeT

 

[Sudacafan]

Peak version of Federer has some chances against the Nadal RG 2023 version.
I will elaborate my advanced-technique calculations and report the exact probability percentage to this distinguished forum in no less than 72 hours.