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One of the matches that gave me the most happiness as a Roger Federer fan
Prime Novak vs prime Federer on clay
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One of the matches that gave me the most happiness as a Roger Federer fan
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This can be spun in whatever way convenient by fans and you are also doing the same thing.
What has Roger's Wimbledon 2012 form to do with RG 2012 ?
Actually Roger struggled through out the RG 2012. He lost a set each in second , third and fourth round. He was two sets to down against del Potro in QF and because of an injury to del Potro he managed to escape from that match. To call this tournament as Roger in great form is not true..
Cherry picking
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tennis_error
Professional
In that case, What Novak's form previous to FO 2011 has to do with the match with Fed.
And about cherry-picking, is there the worst cherry-picking than using one single surprise result as proof of anything, lol...
Facts are that Novak is wayyyy better clay player, and about prime/pick, that's just subjective blabbing.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
The light balls in 2011 were epic af.
PMChambers
Hall of Fame
6-4 Djok.
It's close.
It's close.
AlexATP
New User
Thats the most less tennis knowledge i have seen in history
Oleksandr.Usyk
Rookie
Lol. Djokovic 2011 was 10:1 against Fedal. One match and you make a simple conclusion. How about FO 2012?
) Prime Federer in 2011 played a better tennis on clay than nervous Prime Federer in 2005, 2006, 2007, 08 or 09 with that crazily unstable one handed backhand (already beaten in a locker those years). Federer was outsider in 2011 and did not play under the any pressure after he got his RG trophy in 2009 where he played crap and got lucky in several matches. A lot of people forget that Djokovic had match against Gasquet in 29th May 2011 and then no match in a quartefinal of FO 2011. Djokovic did not have a match for 3 or 4 days before the semifinal against Federer. Djokovic did not have rhythm for the majority of their semifinal match. That was a big advantage for Federer.Many people also forget that Djokovic 2011 was NOT his best version on clay and Grass in his career.
If Prime Djokovic and Prime Federer play against each other on the same conditions (they both have zero RG trophies or both have already won RG and both have a good rhytmh) Prime Djokovic beats Prime Federer 7x out of 10. Djokovic is a better player on clay than Roger.
droliver
Professional
I give the edge to Novak just because he was a little more accomplished on clay, but it’s kind of silly as they are arguably both top 5 of the open Era on clay, only clearly behind Nadal and Borg. Those two guys h2h was comically evenly matched most of their overlapping years for the # of match’s they had. Unbelievable rivalry
inflation_era
Professional
Accomplishments of course Novak. Peak for peak, easily fed.
Oleksandr.Usyk
Rookie
You don't have any supporting argument for that statement. I can say vise versa then that Djokovic is Peak for Peak a better Grass court player and even with off day finds the way how to beat Federer on grass.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
2011. The best Djokovic has ever looked and an old Federer took him down. Your bias towards Djokovic is disgusting to read. The only surface prime for prime that I would give Djokovic is slow hard court.You don't have any supporting argument for that statement. I can say vise versa then that Djokovic is Peak for Peak a better Grass court player and even with off day finds the way how to beat Federer on grass.
Oleksandr.Usyk
Rookie
2011 was not the best Djokovic - definitely not on clay, he was making small adjustments year by year. Federer was not old in 2011, in fact it was his best clay version ever as we can see from both semifinal and final. Not to mention that people are forgeting important context before semifinal FO in 2011. Australian Open 2011 (even that is not so sure) was maybe Djokovic's best there, he her a very agressive version, but he was not at his best on clay and grass. 2013, 2015, 2016, 2021, 2023 versions were better on clay - mainly tactic, technique and skills and style of play. Becker and Goran have made huge improvements on his technique through the years. Everybody who does not see this is ignorant or deluded. Roger was always milking era because his main Rivals were kids. Roger had a negative H2H with Young Murray until 2008 - that's say everything what we need to know. Losses agaisnt Berdych in Olympics 2004, his Prime was not as short as his fans trying to make and was not so shiny as propaganda tries to sell.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
I think Fed had a slightly stronger peak at RG and the Hamburg/Madrid slot. Also blue clay for what it’s worth.
Djokovic better peak in MC and Rome.
Djokovic’s consistency and longevity are what give him the overall edge on clay, not necessarily peak level. After age 31, Fed didn’t have many good runs at RG whereas Djokovic has had quite a few in his old age.
Djokovic better peak in MC and Rome.
Djokovic’s consistency and longevity are what give him the overall edge on clay, not necessarily peak level. After age 31, Fed didn’t have many good runs at RG whereas Djokovic has had quite a few in his old age.
inflation_era
Professional
You don't have any supporting argument for that statement. I can say vise versa then that Djokovic is Peak for Peak a better Grass court player and even with off day finds the way how to beat Federer on grass.
Djoker never played peak Fed on grass. The closest he played peak Fed on grass was in 2012.
Djokovic defeated Federer at WB both in '14 and '15. Didn't Federer capture the WB crown in '17, with an injured Djokovic looking on?
I know Fedfans are justly proud of '12 WB, because it was the only post-'11 slam title that Federer won with a fully functional Djokovic, out of (I guess) 24 or so attempts!
But Federer did very well when Djokovic got injured: he won 3 of 6 slams in '17-18!
inflation_era
Professional
Federer wasn't peak in 14 and 15. Djokovic was absolute peak in 11 and 12.
Injured Djokovic? So you admit Djokovic won AO08 only because of mono
Djokovic started beating Federer at AO when Federer was 26, and at US when Federer was 29! Is that close enough for you? And Djokovic was never defeated again in either AO or US!Federer wasn't peak in 14 and 15. Djokovic was absolute peak in 11 and 12.
Injured Djokovic? So you admit Djokovic won AO08 only because of mono
The 6-year difference in their ages is nothing, compared with the 16-year difference between Novak and Carlos!
inflation_era
Professional
You mean he started beating Fed with mono. The 16 year age difference between Novak and Carlos proves Novak had a free 10 years with no younger ATG challenging him, hence his over inflated stats. The truth of how good Novak actually is, was shown at FO2011.
mental midget
Hall of Fame
agree...i think both at their absolute bests, i'd give the slightest of edges to fed's swarming offense, improvisational talent and defense (young fed)...but in general 50-50, and i could see novak w edge over 10 matches for example.
Oleksandr.Usyk
Rookie
Djokovic was not grass peak neither on Wimbledon 2012 skill wise and strategy wise. In fact, Olympics in London 2012 only confirmed that. He played awful. Moving well, but that's it. Too obsessed by winning FO. And if we go further.... Djokovic played really bad tennis also in US Open 2012 - one of the worst performances in the final I remember since he switched to glutein free diet.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
That was because of the wind. Djokovic has never been very good at playing in the wind relative to his peers. Before the bad conditions set in he was brilliant, as the Delpo match attests.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
I'd say 55:45 Djokovic. I think their 2011 is the only match when they collided while they were close to their best and Federer won. However, over 10 match series, I don't know if Federer's style would win more often.
Just for fun, I think out of 10 matches, peak for peak, it will be 50:50 on HC, AO and USO, while 70:30 on grass for Federer. The fact that 2019 match was so close convinces me that Federer is easily the better on grass of the two.
Just for fun, I think out of 10 matches, peak for peak, it will be 50:50 on HC, AO and USO, while 70:30 on grass for Federer. The fact that 2019 match was so close convinces me that Federer is easily the better on grass of the two.
Turning Pro
Hall of Fame
FO 2011 tells the story with Peak Djoker vs Post prime Fed.
But Fed was better at the Fo 06,07 anyways.
But Fed was better at the Fo 06,07 anyways.
mavsman149
Hall of Fame
Fed was incredible that day in the RG 2011 SF, probably his greatest clay match, but that is just 1 match and it was a huge upset considering what had occurred at the beginning of that year. Don’t forget Djokovic was fresh off beating prime Nadal in back to back clay masters titles.
Djokovic 6-4 or 7-3 if they played ten times
Djokovic 6-4 or 7-3 if they played ten times
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
Who took Nadal to 5 sets?
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
At the Australian Open post 2007 on slow outdoor hard especially at night Djokovic definitely has the edge. I think Federer definitely has the edge at the Us Open especially when it was a quicker surface. Djokovic is the best in conditions which do not reward aggresive play and make the game a battle of consistency.
Turning Pro
Hall of Fame
inflation_era
Professional
Yes he was, he won 2011 destroying the field. He reached the semi in 2012. That's peak.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
Yes, I think a lot depends on court speed. AO has been faster since 2017, but used to be slower. USO used to be very fast, but was slowed down. I guess on fast condition, Federer has the edge and vice versa.
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