Prime Stef Tsitsipas against the 2012 top 8 on all surfaces : who wins ?

[TsitsiBH]

My boy prime Tsitsipas (2019-2021) reached one of the highest levels in tennis but how would he compete against arguably the strongest year end top 8 in the history ?

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Djokovic :
Outdoor Hard = Djokovic
Indoor Hard = Djokovic
Clay = Djokovic
Grass = Djokovic

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Murray :
Outdoor Hard = Murray
Indoor Hard = Murray
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Murray

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Federer :
Outdoor Hard = Federer
Indoor Hard = Federer
Clay = Toss-up
Grass = Federer

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Nadal :
Outdoor Hard = Nadal
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Nadal
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Del Potro :
Outdoor Hard = Del Potro
Indoor Hard = Del Potro
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Del Potro

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Tsonga :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Tsonga
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsonga

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Ferrer :
Outdoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Berdych :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Berdych
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsitsipas

Overall : Tsitsipas wins 9 matches but Tsitsipas loses 18 matches and the jury is out on 5 matches

 

[peRFecto]

these hypothetical scenarios make no sense at all

 

[dking68]

My boy prime Tsitsipas (2019-2021) reached one of the highest levels in tennis but how would he compete against arguably the strongest year end top 8 in the history ?

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Djokovic :
Outdoor Hard = Djokovic
Indoor Hard = Djokovic
Clay = Djokovic
Grass = Djokovic

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Murray :
Outdoor Hard = Murray
Indoor Hard = Murray
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Murray

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Federer :
Outdoor Hard = Federer
Indoor Hard = Federer
Clay = Toss-up
Grass = Federer

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Nadal :
Outdoor Hard = Nadal
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Nadal
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Del Potro :
Outdoor Hard = Del Potro
Indoor Hard = Del Potro
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Del Potro

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Tsonga :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Tsonga
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsonga

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Ferrer :
Outdoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Berdych :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Berdych
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsitsipas

Overall : Tsitsipas wins 9 matches but Tsitsipas loses 18 matches and the jury is out on 5 matches

What have you been smoking?

 

[Turning Pro]

Is there a Minus 1 option?

 

[jl809]

Let me fix this for you

My boy prime Tsitsipas (2019-2021) reached one of the highest levels in tennis but how would he compete against arguably the strongest year end top 8 in the history ?

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Djokovic :
Outdoor Hard = Djokovic
Indoor Hard = Djokovic
Clay = Djokovic
Grass = Djokovic

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Murray :
Outdoor Hard = Murray
Indoor Hard = Murray
Clay = Murray
Grass = Murray

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Federer :
Outdoor Hard = Federer
Indoor Hard = Federer
Clay = Federer
Grass = Federer

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Nadal :
Outdoor Hard = Nadal
Indoor Hard = Nadal
Clay = Nadal
Grass = Nadal

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Del Potro :
Outdoor Hard = Del Potro
Indoor Hard = Del Potro
Clay = Del Potro
Grass = Del Potro

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Tsonga :
Outdoor Hard = Tsonga everywhere except AO although even then, probably Tsonga
Indoor Hard = Tsonga
Clay = Tsonga
Grass = Tsonga

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Ferrer :
Outdoor Hard = Ferrer
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Ferrer - you putting Tsitsi here is the funniest thing on the whole thread
Grass = Ferrer

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Berdych :
Outdoor Hard = Berdych
Indoor Hard = Berdych
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Berdych

Overall : Tsitsipas wins 2 matches out of 32

 

[dking68]

these hypothetical scenarios make no sense at all

Yup. Tsonga would defeat Tsitsipas on clay no doubt if he pushed Peakovic to five in RG QF

 

[dking68]

Let me fix this for you

I agree with you

 

[fedfan24]

He might be able to nick a match or 2 against Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga

 

[TsitsiBH]

Is there a Minus 1 option?

I didn't ask for Hewitt's number of wins vs Andy Murray so no

 

[TsitsiBH]

What have you been smoking?

Nadal lost to Rosol of all people on grass in 2012 so it's tough to call the match against Stef on this surface

 

[dking68]

Nadal lost to Rosol of all people on grass in 2012 so it's tough to call the match against Stef on this surface

Nadal 2011 made the finals. I’m sure Nadal 2011 would defeat Tsitsipas on grass in straights

 

[Turning Pro]

I didn't ask for Hewitt's number of wins vs Andy Murray so no

OK serious answer then.

Murray, Nadal, Fed, Djoker in 2012 vs Peak Tsitsipas. They'll all be done in 1.

 

[TsitsiBH]

OK serious answer then.

Murray, Nadal, Fed, Djoker in 2012 vs Peak Tsitsipas. They'll all be done in 1.

You are very harsh towards Stef. We are talking about peak Tsitsipas not his current slumping version

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

If you think the big3 were going to let such a loopy, short backhand unpunished on any surface, you need to re-watch the entire sport.
Even peak Tsitsipas went down about 5 consecutive times against an ageing Djokovic from 2019 to 2021.

 

[dking68]

If you think the big3 were going to let such a loopy, short backhand unpunished on any surface, you need to re-watch the entire sport.
Even peak Tsitsipas went down about 5 consecutive times against an ageing Djokovic from 2019 to 2021.

He’s delusional it’s not even funny. Peak Berdych would NOT lose to Tsitsipas on grass

 

[The Sinner]

D#*^ 2012 had a formidable top 8 line-up! 2009 also comes close.
Tsitsi got no hope at all.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Peak GOATsipas was a force of nature, but hard to compare him with a Top 8 like that.

I think the OP has some pretty reasonable conclusions. The match I would most like to see would be Vs Tsonga at RG. JW was something of a demon on clay at that time. Would be interesting to see if Stef would be able to achieve the clutch Ferrer / Wawrinka / Djokovic level on clay required to take Tsonga out. If it’s a final I would 1000% back Tsonga, but Stef would have his chances in a non-final match.

 

[chjtennis]

Now I believe Tsitspas at best would be a top 10 level if he was playing in 2012. Berdych, Tsomga, etc, might be better players than him.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Sinner in 3 against all those players, including 2012 Federer at Wimbledon and 2012 Nadal at RG

 

[dr. godmode]

Prime Stef = Weakera Stef

 

[beanchillin]

My boy prime Tsitsipas (2019-2021) reached one of the highest levels in tennis but how would he compete against arguably the strongest year end top 8 in the history ?

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Djokovic :
Outdoor Hard = Djokovic
Indoor Hard = Djokovic
Clay = Djokovic
Grass = Djokovic

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Murray :
Outdoor Hard = Murray
Indoor Hard = Murray
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Murray

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Federer :
Outdoor Hard = Federer
Indoor Hard = Federer
Clay = Toss-up
Grass = Federer

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Nadal :
Outdoor Hard = Nadal
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Nadal
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Del Potro :
Outdoor Hard = Del Potro
Indoor Hard = Del Potro
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Del Potro

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Tsonga :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Tsonga
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsonga

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Ferrer :
Outdoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Berdych :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Berdych
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsitsipas

Overall : Tsitsipas wins 9 matches but Tsitsipas loses 18 matches and the jury is out on 5 matches

Murray:
clay - tsitsipas

Federer:
clay - Toss up

I stopped reading right there

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

Berdych alone would destroy the Greek philosoraptor.

 

[Pheasant]

Tsitsipas beat the very best version of Fed at the AO in 2019 quite easily. The best version of Fed on grass courts was bageled by baby Hurkacz.

Tsitsipas probably goes 22-10 vs the top 8 players of 2012. Djoker and Nadal would be responsible for 7 of those losses. Guys like Murray, Delpo, and Tsonga might squeeze out a single victory in 4 chances. Fed would get swept by Tsitsipa; even at Wimbledon.

 

[TsitsiBH]

Berdych alone would destroy the Greek philosoraptor.

Even on clay you reckon?

 

[ElChivoEspañol]

Even on clay you reckon?

On clay would potentially be his salvation.

But he's a mental midget, if Berdych is zoning he could very well fall apart in a potential match up.

 

[GloW]

everybody wins(except tsitsipas)

 

[DSH]

everybody wins(except tsitsipas)

 

[Dane_is_Finnish_OJ]

My boy prime Tsitsipas (2019-2021) reached one of the highest levels in tennis but how would he compete against arguably the strongest year end top 8 in the history ?

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Djokovic :
Outdoor Hard = Djokovic
Indoor Hard = Djokovic
Clay = Djokovic
Grass = Djokovic

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Murray :
Outdoor Hard = Murray
Indoor Hard = Murray
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Murray

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Federer :
Outdoor Hard = Federer
Indoor Hard = Federer
Clay = Toss-up
Grass = Federer

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Nadal :
Outdoor Hard = Nadal
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Nadal
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Del Potro :
Outdoor Hard = Del Potro
Indoor Hard = Del Potro
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Del Potro

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Tsonga :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Tsonga
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsonga

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Ferrer :
Outdoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Indoor Hard = Tsitsipas
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Toss-up

Prime Tsitsipas vs 2012 Berdych :
Outdoor Hard = Toss-up
Indoor Hard = Berdych
Clay = Tsitsipas
Grass = Tsitsipas

Overall : Tsitsipas wins 9 matches but Tsitsipas loses 18 matches and the jury is out on 5 matches

Tsitsipas is awful on grass. He would never beat Berdych or Nadal.