Thanks for everyone's help. I really appreciate your patience. I ordered a Gamma 6004 today from TW.
My choice overall is Alpha. I'm noting that you cant go wrong with either.Now I am confused he said alpha (swivel clamps) and then he said you can't go wrong picking swivel clamps (alha) over glide bar (NEOS 1000.) then he said he made a mistake.
I don't think you will go wrong with either but I would prefer swivel clamps over glide bar even though have their advantages.
I would vote for the 6004 as well, but I prefer the 2pt mount. Both are great though, and the self-centering mount on the 6004 is an absolute joy to use.I agree with dak95, unless you really have an itch to buy a new machine.
I'm for the 6004, but I would go with the 6-point instead of the 2 point. The price went up $50, but it at least includes the cover and a starting clamp.
I own a 2-point, because that's what was available (used) at the time. Though I don't mind having a 2-point it has it's advantages and dis-advantages. That's probably the reason why I still own it, but would gladly trade up in a heartbeat.Lakers4Life, I noticed you recommended the 6pt but have the 2pt. Are you saying if you had to do it again you would go with the 6pt and why? I am torn between the two
I prefer 2-point in general, but I should note that all 2-point systems are NOT equal (see below). If I was choosing between mounts on Gamma systems only, I would go in this order of personal preference.Lakers4Life, I noticed you recommended the 6pt but have the 2pt. Are you saying if you had to do it again you would go with the 6pt and why? I am torn between the two
That's a bit of a stretch comparing simple 2-pt (klipper/low-end dropweights) with a well-designed/robust 2-point. Strictly speaking, most "2 point" mounts are more like 4+ point mounts, the major difference is that they are "inside" mounts. I should also point out that inside mounts are designed to resist/prevent deformation, whereas 6 point outside mounts are designed to counteract active deformation. Note that outside supports in a 6 point mount are not designed/supposed to be tightened (too) firmly against the frame. If you follow the commonly accepted "finger tight" methodology, the outside supports actually do absolutely nothing UNTIL the frame deforms. I'd personally go with a well designed inside mount over an outside mount, but when we're talking about the higher/highish end machines, there's really no major reason to choose one or the other unless there's a specific preference for either. (Speed, blockage, etc). I WILL happily/readily admit that deformation can/does occur on large headsizes coupled with flexy racquets on most 2-point designs regardless of robustness. I'm specifically referring to large sized head frames (namely the Radical OS). You'll see some compression.I'm not L4L but 6pt has more support throughout the frame. 2pt is more prone to deforming the racquet in my thoughts. Theres a whole thread about this somewhere..
Here it is!
If its cheaper to get a 2pt, then just go with that. If you don't mind spending some extra cash, definitely go for a 6pt. Well worth the upgrade.
The Gamma 2-point IMO is not the greatest two point ever conceived. I've had issues with the mounting posts popping out (and from what I collect, this is because 'i was mounting it wrong.'). Apparently you're not supposed to torque down on the mounting post too hard, or else it's MORE prone to slippage The height adjustment on the stocks is fine (and standard design), but I find that the frame will compress/lower a bit when the mounting post is lowered, so you have to actively adjust the plastic stocks a tiny bit lower than normal. The throat mounting is also problematic on thin throated frames. The proposed fix for this (according to the manual) is to put the throat mounting pieces INSIDE the throat, with no active throat-bridge support. Yeah, I don't do that. I use leather belt scraps as spacers on the bottom so the frame stays roughly flat. It would be best practice to do this with a harder plastic material due to compression/lowering issues as mentioned above. Laserfibre resolved their similar issues by creating an "aero" specific throat adapter. This would be nice, but height adjustment would remain a problem. The NEOS used throat spacers, and I felt that even though the mounting plastic bars were narrower in design, the system overall was excellent.I own a 2-point, because that's what was available (used) at the time. Though I don't mind having a 2-point it has it's advantages and dis-advantages. That's probably the reason why I still own it, but would gladly trade up in a heartbeat.
Some complain that a 6 point, the side supports blocks grommet holes. Those people are just mounting the rackets wrong, IMHO. Albeit, the Gamma does have wide side supports. My Sensor has a 6 point mounting system, but the towers are fixed, and are limited to mainly tennis rackets. Another reason why I keep the Gamma.
More or less it's personal preference, both systems work fine, and both systems have some slight dis-advantages.
I agree with the crack theory, assuming the frame was mounted properly to begin with (on any system). If you find your arms often getting in the way, you need to be adjusting your turn table mounting stocks. I also shift the C/V mounting posts at the throat to the lower position (presumably designed for badminton), as I find the area that the mounting pieces actually supports the frame more from deformation in that location. It's also a nice indicator so I'm mounting the frame the same way every time. I should note (that when I used the 6 points) I also offset the turn table stocks lower (biased towards the throat). This was to reduce the turn table torquing on Prince O port frames. If the frame is set very low (relative to turn table center), you could get away with one or two less "body braking" events during the string job. This IS NOT ideal from a string length consistency issue (when tensioning).I've had the 5003 and found the towers and the arms often times getting in the way.. I only string for myself and occasionally family and I rarely string anything above 62 lbs. My thought is that if the racket deforms or cracks, then it was poorly made and about to go anyway. Im leaning toward the 2pt but you may have saved me the other way.
Off topic, the Pro's Pro P100 guy from **** texted me and said they were out of stock, why place an ad on **** for an item you don't have? hmmmmm