Prince Official - Racquets

Still loving the Tour 100P. Right at a perfect swingweight, could maybe add a few grams when I’m playing a lot of tennis. The slightly heavier racket with balance towards head light is what I learned to play with, so I’ll probably always love it.

The one strange thing, and probably my only negative is that I feel like I need multiple dampeners. I hate playing with no dampener due to the sound, and that sound is still slightly there with a normal dampener. It almost sounds like something is loose in the rackets. So I’m gonna bring the worm back.

This racket is crazy maneuverable. It has surprising power for such low RA. Like it has a good trampoline effect for an 18x20. Spin is above average, launch angle feels a hair lower than most. Serving is great.

Anyway I’m just trying to find a string setup. I could go full poly with a racket this flexible but syn gut give me some free power which is good for a lower powered racket. Also I hated the drop off in tension for full poly. The first day was amazing and the second day was like a different setup, dead and low powered (I’d think it’d be more power with the tension drop but idk). I guess I could try a poly poly hybrid with a softer cross, but idk if that would feel any better. Also could try super low tension, maybe that’d make the drop off less jarring, we’ll see.

Might try something stiffer like red code mains since it is so flexible and that could help with how fast the strings die.
 
Kemitak said:
That’s not a Rebel though. You’re describing a Diablo, which Prince should also reincarnate.
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you are correct that it would be a modified rebel. I love the mold and o-ports on my rebel 95s, but would like to try a slightly stiffer head and a slightly more open stringbed. i think the originals are great, though, and still use them.


I thought the diablo was suppposed to be a lot stiffer, but I could be wrong. I would like to try one at some point.
 
tele said:
you are correct that it would be a modified rebel. I love the mold and o-ports on my rebel 95s, but would like to try a slightly stiffer head and a slightly more open stringbed. i think the originals are great, though, and still use them.


I thought the diablo was suppposed to be a lot stiffer, but I could be wrong. I would like to try one at some point.
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TW had the Diablo mid at 66ra. I always thought it felt firm but not stiff.
O ports alienated quite a few people, including myself, but I’ve come around since and think it’s good tech.
 
Kemitak said:
TW had the Diablo mid at 66ra. I always thought it felt firm but not stiff.
O ports alienated quite a few people, including myself, but I’ve come around since and think it’s good tech.
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O3 was not presented properly. The "Boomerang tool " was not supported and the various sized one needed for different models meant stringers needed to stock a bunch of small parts for a new frame. Starting the crosses in the 50 /50 pattern doesn't require a lock.-ing turntable or any other work around.
 
tele said:
you are correct that it would be a modified rebel. I love the mold and o-ports on my rebel 95s, but would like to try a slightly stiffer head and a slightly more open stringbed. i think the originals are great, though, and still use them.


I thought the diablo was suppposed to be a lot stiffer, but I could be wrong. I would like to try one at some point.
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Based on this you should try the Exo3 Ignite
 
PBODY99 said:
O3 was not presented properly. The "Boomerang tool " was not supported and the various sized one needed for different models meant stringers needed to stock a bunch of small parts for a new frame. Starting the crosses in the 50 /50 pattern doesn't require a lock.-ing turntable or any other work around.
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There is this enduring perception that o-port racquets are difficult to string and require boomerangs, turntable locks, 50/50 stringing etc.

I have three o-port racquets and find them as easy to string as any other racquet, and in some aspects slightly easier. Just use a sharpie in the ports to keep the top half dozen strings apart while under tension and there's no issue. Yes, that's a little fiddly, but no great problem.

Where stringing ported racquets is actually easier than a racquet with traditional grommets is when feeding the cross through the grommet on the inside. The large ports make it far easier to feed the crosses through than much smaller traditional grommets. For my older eyes that's a real godsend.
 
aussie said:
There is this enduring perception that o-port racquets are difficult to string and require boomerangs, turntable locks, 50/50 stringing etc.

I have three o-port racquets and find them as easy to string as any other racquet, and in some aspects slightly easier. Just use a sharpie in the ports to keep the top half dozen strings apart while under tension and there's no issue. Yes, that's a little fiddly, but no great problem.

Where stringing ported racquets is actually easier than a racquet with traditional grommets is when feeding the cross through the grommet on the inside. The large ports make it far easier to feed the crosses through than much smaller traditional grommets. For my older eyes that's a real godsend.
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I recently got new glasses, after 20+ years of the same prescription. My new prescription allows me to see far, but I can't read or see up close, so I need to take my glasses off when I thread string through grommet holes. If I'm watching a match on the TV, I'm constantly putting my glasses up/down every grommet hole. Giant o ports would be so much easier. I'm old, too.
 
aussie said:
There is this enduring perception that o-port racquets are difficult to string and require boomerangs, turntable locks, 50/50 stringing etc.

I have three o-port racquets and find them as easy to string as any other racquet, and in some aspects slightly easier. Just use a sharpie in the ports to keep the top half dozen strings apart while under tension and there's no issue. Yes, that's a little fiddly, but no great problem.

Where stringing ported racquets is actually easier than a racquet with traditional grommets is when feeding the cross through the grommet on the inside. The large ports make it far easier to feed the crosses through than much smaller traditional grommets. For my older eyes that's a real godsend.
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Thanks for the o port hack (y)
 
ey039524 said:
I recently got new glasses, after 20+ years of the same prescription. My new prescription allows me to see far, but I can't read or see up close, so I need to take my glasses off when I thread string through grommet holes. If I'm watching a match on the TV, I'm constantly putting my glasses up/down every grommet hole. Giant o ports would be so much easier. I'm old, too.
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Ahh my brother from another mother!!

I've worn glasses for most of my life and am very short sighted. I wear glasses for everything other than close up activities such as reading and you guessed it, stringing racquets. Believe you me, feeding crosses through small black grommets when the string is black and the room slightly dim, is a challenge!!

The ports do make that task quite a bit easier both inside and outside the frame for that matter.
 
TW community,


We have been away for a while but we are back and looking forward to discussing all things Prince with you all. It’s been an up and down few years and we’ve all been through a lot but we are working hard and are committed to continuing to develop high quality product but also to push our limits on how we think about the game and the product.


I’m Tim Puttock, Senior Director of Research and Development at Prince, and oversee all product development and new technologies, while also being heavily involved in other areas of running the brand. Joining me here is Ramon Villanueva, Principle Product designer who is also heavily involved with the development of the product, taking the lead on bag development, footwear development and developing the look and feel of the brand/product.


While we are really busy developing 2025 product and working on new ideas for 2026 and beyond, we may have times where we will not be able to answer all questions or reply immediately. However, we’ll do our best to stay active, keep lines of communication open and answer questions to the best of our ability. Looking forward to chatting with you all and sharing some of things going on behind the scenes.


Prince Team
 
Prince Tennis Official said:
TW community,


We have been away for a while but we are back and looking forward to discussing all things Prince with you all. It’s been an up and down few years and we’ve all been through a lot but we are working hard and are committed to continuing to develop high quality product but also to push our limits on how we think about the game and the product.


I’m Tim Puttock, Senior Director of Research and Development at Prince, and oversee all product development and new technologies, while also being heavily involved in other areas of running the brand. Joining me here is Ramon Villanueva, Principle Product designer who is also heavily involved with the development of the product, taking the lead on bag development, footwear development and developing the look and feel of the brand/product.


While we are really busy developing 2025 product and working on new ideas for 2026 and beyond, we may have times where we will not be able to answer all questions or reply immediately. However, we’ll do our best to stay active, keep lines of communication open and answer questions to the best of our ability. Looking forward to chatting with you all and sharing some of things going on behind the scenes.


Prince Team
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Tim! Your interview with Tennis Nerd some time ago convinced me that your team at Prince really knows what you're doing when it comes to racquet design. It will be great to hear from you and Ramon.

Curious to hear if there's any updates as to "developing the look and feel of the brand/product." I've appreciated Prince's commitment to making racquets that make tennis easier to play for various needs and styles, regardless of what it looks like to mainstream thought (Prince's 16x18 design is an underrated example of this imo). Is this still the driving mantra going forward? How do you see this playing out in future racquets and in other products, like bags, shoes, maybe strings?
 
jimdontcare said:
Tim! Your interview with Tennis Nerd some time ago convinced me that your team at Prince really knows what you're doing when it comes to racquet design. It will be great to hear from you and Ramon.

Curious to hear if there's any updates as to "developing the look and feel of the brand/product." I've appreciated Prince's commitment to making racquets that make tennis easier to play for various needs and styles, regardless of what it looks like to mainstream thought (Prince's 16x18 design is an underrated example of this imo). Is this still the driving mantra going forward? How do you see this playing out in future racquets and in other products, like bags, shoes, maybe strings?
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Thanks Jim. We're going to continue to innovate and continue to challenge the status quo with the intent to push forward performance for different players. That is the DNA of Prince going all the way back to Howard Head creating the Prince Classic with the oversize head in order to make the game easier to play. Of course, we have to understand where the game is, what is working and popular with consumers but we wouldn't be doing the brand, or players that like to use our product, justice if we don't continue to try to push things forward. Sometimes those are very minor adjustments to layup composition or string spacing that we think will improve the product but we are definitely exploring some really interesting concepts in order to really push forward. That will always be our mantra, we can't always get to every project at the same time given the demands on our team but we want to be able to bring you all new product across all categories that is at the very least a little different and interesting to try.
 
Lord of the Crags said:
Keep on innovating!

18x18 Synergy
Vortex unique shape and string pattern
O ports
CTS beam
ATS system

Bring it all on, and more!
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There is definitely more to come in terms of innovation, both evolutions of what we have done and maybe some more revolutionary ideas. There are things that we've introduced, including some of those listed above that we really believed in and thought would gain more traction but sometimes it doesn't connect or resonate with the consumer and so we have to do a better job explaining why we have made certain updates and technical choices. We'll continue to try though and hopefully bring some fun to those who do try them out.
 
Prince Tennis Official said:
TW community,


We have been away for a while but we are back and looking forward to discussing all things Prince with you all. It’s been an up and down few years and we’ve all been through a lot but we are working hard and are committed to continuing to develop high quality product but also to push our limits on how we think about the game and the product.


I’m Tim Puttock, Senior Director of Research and Development at Prince, and oversee all product development and new technologies, while also being heavily involved in other areas of running the brand. Joining me here is Ramon Villanueva, Principle Product designer who is also heavily involved with the development of the product, taking the lead on bag development, footwear development and developing the look and feel of the brand/product.


While we are really busy developing 2025 product and working on new ideas for 2026 and beyond, we may have times where we will not be able to answer all questions or reply immediately. However, we’ll do our best to stay active, keep lines of communication open and answer questions to the best of our ability. Looking forward to chatting with you all and sharing some of things going on behind the scenes.


Prince Team
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Hi Tim & Ramon,

Thanks for contributing and providing info, it’s much appreciated. Can you tell me what research goes into the decision on cosmetics? Do you focus group test things like the camo green color of the Phantoms or the twist shape of the Twistpower?

Also, how much overlap or communication do you have with the development department at Prince Japan?
 
Just got home, two guys next court were both hitting with Prince rackets! One, a coach, hitting with the latest Tour of somekind. I'll definitely try it and post hitting clips and feedback. The other guy, an older, 2019 16x18 Tour Textreme.

Welcome back @Prince Tennis Official . I loved the 2015 Tour 95 and then bought retail Synergy 98. Very interesting 18x18 and standout mold. Didn't gel with it, but I appreciate the effort with it. Do be honest, I didn't play it long enough, mostly because of the high swingweight for my level.

Look forward to news.
 
Prince Tennis Official said:
TW community,


We have been away for a while but we are back and looking forward to discussing all things Prince with you all. It’s been an up and down few years and we’ve all been through a lot but we are working hard and are committed to continuing to develop high quality product but also to push our limits on how we think about the game and the product.


I’m Tim Puttock, Senior Director of Research and Development at Prince, and oversee all product development and new technologies, while also being heavily involved in other areas of running the brand. Joining me here is Ramon Villanueva, Principle Product designer who is also heavily involved with the development of the product, taking the lead on bag development, footwear development and developing the look and feel of the brand/product.


While we are really busy developing 2025 product and working on new ideas for 2026 and beyond, we may have times where we will not be able to answer all questions or reply immediately. However, we’ll do our best to stay active, keep lines of communication open and answer questions to the best of our ability. Looking forward to chatting with you all and sharing some of things going on behind the scenes.


Prince Team
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Welcome back @Prince Tennis Official !
One of your many loyalists here that has been playing with the 2015 Textreme Tour 95 and ATS Textreme Tour 95 racquets.
When might we see the next generation of the Prince Tour series and what changes will we see?
 
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Prince Tennis Official said:
TW community,


We have been away for a while but we are back and looking forward to discussing all things Prince with you all. It’s been an up and down few years and we’ve all been through a lot but we are working hard and are committed to continuing to develop high quality product but also to push our limits on how we think about the game and the product.


I’m Tim Puttock, Senior Director of Research and Development at Prince, and oversee all product development and new technologies, while also being heavily involved in other areas of running the brand. Joining me here is Ramon Villanueva, Principle Product designer who is also heavily involved with the development of the product, taking the lead on bag development, footwear development and developing the look and feel of the brand/product.


While we are really busy developing 2025 product and working on new ideas for 2026 and beyond, we may have times where we will not be able to answer all questions or reply immediately. However, we’ll do our best to stay active, keep lines of communication open and answer questions to the best of our ability. Looking forward to chatting with you all and sharing some of things going on behind the scenes.


Prince Team
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Good to see you back!

Since the first 93P released I have been mainly loyal to prince and with good reason. Every time I tried a different brand I always came back for the grip shape as @Fed Kennedy pointed out and also the feel.

I am wondering whether any additions are scheduled for the phantom line or if the new slimmed down offering is the plan moving forward?

Currently using the 97P which I love and view as the best in the prince lineup imo but slightly 'rubbery' in the throat. Would have been interesting to try it with a different layup with more stability in that area without the need of increasing twist weight.
 
@Prince Tennis Official

A regular rebel 95 and ATS 98 user here. I have been using Prince racquets on and off since my old cts storm as a kid.

I do not know how much you work with Prince Japan, but the layup on the Phantom Graphite 97 315g is really nice in terms of balancing comfort, feedback, pop, and control. I think it also nails the right throat thickness and drill pattern, but the hoop width and upper beam made it feel too clunky. Would love to see a similar layup/drill pattern on a sub−100 inch phantom in the future.
 
tele said:
@Prince Tennis Official

A regular rebel 95 and ATS 98 user here. I have been using Prince racquets on and off since my old cts storm as a kid.

I do not know how much you work with Prince Japan, but the layup on the Phantom Graphite 97 315g is really nice in terms of balancing comfort, feedback, pop, and control. I think it also nails the right throat thickness and drill pattern, but the hoop width and upper beam made it feel too clunky. Would love to see a similar layup/drill pattern on a sub−100 inch phantom in the future.
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Agree, the head felt clunky but the throat was nice. I sold it quickly but the layup was good -very solid and low vibrations with really nice feel on contact.
 
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Prince Tennis Official said:
TW community,


We have been away for a while but we are back and looking forward to discussing all things Prince with you all. It’s been an up and down few years and we’ve all been through a lot but we are working hard and are committed to continuing to develop high quality product but also to push our limits on how we think about the game and the product.


I’m Tim Puttock, Senior Director of Research and Development at Prince, and oversee all product development and new technologies, while also being heavily involved in other areas of running the brand. Joining me here is Ramon Villanueva, Principle Product designer who is also heavily involved with the development of the product, taking the lead on bag development, footwear development and developing the look and feel of the brand/product.


While we are really busy developing 2025 product and working on new ideas for 2026 and beyond, we may have times where we will not be able to answer all questions or reply immediately. However, we’ll do our best to stay active, keep lines of communication open and answer questions to the best of our ability. Looking forward to chatting with you all and sharing some of things going on behind the scenes.


Prince Team
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Welcome back @Prince Tennis Official you have not missed much, just the usual posters complaining about Japan only exclusive releases. Prince has given us so many great releases outside of Japan, and for us that have had the privilege to try and buy we are grateful. It is a great sign that there are ideas for 2026 and beyond, that should ease some anxiety of posters, including those who never even purchase your frames :cool:

Keep the innovations coming, love the addictive unique Twist power tech (actually works beautifully) and enjoy the twaron, other tech and foam filled racquets that are available. The o3 tech is great as well, though it was brilliant in the beast series.

Whilst I personally don't care for padel or similar, it is good to see you branching out in other dimensions, it can only make the company stronger. Your QC has not suffered, the last 5 prince frames purchased have been near perfect in terms to specs tolerance. The x100 paint is also holding up nicely after court action. Have a JP o3 tour 305gr coming soon, hopefully that will continue with the standards. Still have my 9r Tour green bag since 2015, and the quality on that is amazing, hope to see some new bags coming too with the same quality.

Keep up the great work, looking forward to future frames and products. Good to also see players still rocking prince on tour...
 
DJ- said:
Welcome back @Prince Tennis Official you have not missed much, just the usual posters complaining about Japan only exclusive releases. Prince has given us so many great releases outside of Japan, and for us that have had the privilege to try and buy we are grateful. It is a great sign that there are ideas for 2026 and beyond, that should ease some anxiety of posters, including those who never even purchase your frames :cool:

Keep the innovations coming, love the addictive unique Twist power tech (actually works beautifully) and enjoy the twaron, other tech and foam filled racquets that are available. The o3 tech is great as well, though it was brilliant in the beast series.

Whilst I personally don't care for padel or similar, it is good to see you branching out in other dimensions, it can only make the company stronger. Your QC has not suffered, the last 5 prince frames purchased have been near perfect in terms to specs tolerance. The x100 paint is also holding up nicely after court action. Have a JP o3 tour 305gr coming soon, hopefully that will continue with the standards. Still have my 9r Tour green bag since 2015, and the quality on that is amazing, hope to see some new bags coming too with the same quality.

Keep up the great work, looking forward to future frames and products. Good to also see players still rocking prince on tour...
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:unsure: :sneaky:
 
TwinCinema said:
Hi Tim & Ramon,

Thanks for contributing and providing info, it’s much appreciated. Can you tell me what research goes into the decision on cosmetics? Do you focus group test things like the camo green color of the Phantoms or the twist shape of the Twistpower?

Also, how much overlap or communication do you have with the development department at Prince Japan?
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Good questions.

We work very closely with the team from Japan. Despite what many believe they are not a completely separate brand from us and are in fact run by a licensee that was formally the distributor for the brand in Japan. We still act as the R&D team for them and we share many models, even if with some different specs and Japan specific cosmetics. There are of course a number of models that are unique to the Japan market, a lot of this stems from times in the past where we have had slightly different needs in the two markets. Take the Phantom line for example, the Japan team felt that it was underpowered for their consumer and so a different Phantom line was created for the Japanese market that utilized updated versions of some old models that had been developed as prototypes. They have quite a different consumer base to many other regions and the team in Japan has a lot of information on what works well and doesn't for their market and so this is why there are quite significant differences. However, we are in constant communication with the team over there and they are always involved in new developments.

Regarding design choices, i'll let Ramon dive into that a little more. We always appreciate feedback and we take into consideration the input of all our global teams and many other input groups. The challenge with this is you always get different answers and opinions and so we have to still have to make the decisions based on our planning. We are usually planning how the models will roll out and look 3 years in advance and sometimes color trends will change and design strategies get updated but we normally have a pretty good idea of where the line is going at that point.
 
10S-Junkie said:
Welcome back @Prince Tennis Official !
One of your many loyalists here that has been playing with the 2015 Textreme Tour 95 and ATS Textreme Tour 95 racquets.
When might we see the next generation of the Prince Tour series and what changes will we see?
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Might have to wait a little while longer for the Tour. We are working on some big tech updates that we hope to intro with that franchise. We'll do our best to bring out some interesting racquets in the meantime.
 
stephenclown said:
Good to see you back!

Since the first 93P released I have been mainly loyal to prince and with good reason. Every time I tried a different brand I always came back for the grip shape as @Fed Kennedy pointed out and also the feel.

I am wondering whether any additions are scheduled for the phantom line or if the new slimmed down offering is the plan moving forward?

Currently using the 97P which I love and view as the best in the prince lineup imo but slightly 'rubbery' in the throat. Would have been interesting to try it with a different layup with more stability in that area without the need of increasing twist weight.
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While we would like to be in a position to launch with 12 Phantom models instead of the 5 we also want to be able to offer product that will sell and doing that all at the same time isn't necessarily the best way for us to go about it. We haven't forgotten about the Phantom 93, we love that frame too and there will be other additions to the line outside the original 5. You'll have to keep your eyes peeled for more details once we are ready to share.
 
I didn't know there's a Beast "Power" (red one on the right) 100sq inch, 300 grams, 16x19 with 8 holes in the throat. This Beast and Warrior line should be selling like crazy with some marketing to back them up. Ι mean Prince needs to re-introduce their lineup on a podcast with Tennis Warehouse and/or Tennis Nerd.

As I've said already before, I'm willing to go full Prince-mode. Prince Europe especially need to use their Instagram and YouTube more effectively. Prince US is all about clothing and other staff it seems.

prince-beast-vs-beast-power.jpg
 
Prince Tennis Official said:
While we would like to be in a position to launch with 12 Phantom models instead of the 5 we also want to be able to offer product that will sell and doing that all at the same time isn't necessarily the best way for us to go about it. We haven't forgotten about the Phantom 93, we love that frame too and there will be other additions to the line outside the original 5. You'll have to keep your eyes peeled for more details once we are ready to share.
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Hope to see the 100G LB added to the line in that next round of releases. I understand this is more of a niche frame and that is probably why it didn't make the 1st 5 recently released, but for this same reason there aren't many options out there. And I would prefer a Prince option if possible.
 
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Might have to wait a little while longer for the Tour. We are working on some big tech updates that we hope to intro with that franchise. We'll do our best to bring out some interesting racquets in the meantime.
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Thanks for the update. Looking forward to the big tech updates. You have your work cut out for you in trying to improve upon the tech in the ATS 95! Cosmetics on the other hand... :sneaky:
 
gooberwho said:
@Prince Tennis Official Welcome back to the boards! Who at Prince handles marketing and licensing? I would like to see more sponsorships of pro players again.
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Much cheaper to go Toroline-mode on social media, getting a few of their frames into circulation to guys like Jonas, Tennis Euphoria, Tennis Guy etc, so that we can see actually someone hitting with them, not just reviews from retailers. Make Prince cool again!
 
@Prince Tennis Official ! Are you looking at doing anything with the POG?

It would be very cool to see a POG V2.0 similar to what head have done with the PT2.0, PC2.0 and Radical Ltd frames.

The POG is so iconic. and there is a real gap for player level OS frames right now, the new 107 look great (No that i have had the opportunity to try any of the OS Phantoms yet) but it would be a great point of differentiation
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Much cheaper to go Toroline-mode on social media, getting a few of their frames into circulation to guys like Jonas, Tennis Euphoria, Tennis Guy etc, so that we can see actually someone hitting with them, not just reviews from retailers. Make Prince cool again!
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This kind of marketing doesn’t really work without the other (pro) kind. It’s a piece of the puzzle but its not the puzzle.
If you get stuck on the social side you just become a kook brand. Prince has way too much history in the game to become a kook brand.
 
@Prince Tennis Official glad to have you on here. I went back and listened to your episode on tennisnerd's podcast. Looking forward to see (and possibly playtest) some of the new racquets not already announced.

I need a second bag. Stuffed w a Prince woodie, graphite pro 90, 3 powerflex 90, 2 93p, 2 97p, 2 phantom pro 100. Started w the 100, but currently hitting w the powerflexes. Hope you still have some soft, controlled player's frames on the horizon.
 
dennis said:
I use my hip or leg to stop the turntable as it's quicker than using my machine's brake.
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I often use my hip on say the sixth - seventh crosses down where I've almost reached the point where the string is coming out near perpendicular to the tensioner.

Even though the use of a Sharpie or similar between the crosses is easy and keeps those initial five or so crosses apart there would always be some minor tension loss due to friction.
 
Prince Tennis Official said:
Good questions.

We work very closely with the team from Japan. Despite what many believe they are not a completely separate brand from us and are in fact run by a licensee that was formally the distributor for the brand in Japan. We still act as the R&D team for them and we share many models, even if with some different specs and Japan specific cosmetics. There are of course a number of models that are unique to the Japan market, a lot of this stems from times in the past where we have had slightly different needs in the two markets. Take the Phantom line for example, the Japan team felt that it was underpowered for their consumer and so a different Phantom line was created for the Japanese market that utilized updated versions of some old models that had been developed as prototypes. They have quite a different consumer base to many other regions and the team in Japan has a lot of information on what works well and doesn't for their market and so this is why there are quite significant differences. However, we are in constant communication with the team over there and they are always involved in new developments.

Regarding design choices, i'll let Ramon dive into that a little more. We always appreciate feedback and we take into consideration the input of all our global teams and many other input groups. The challenge with this is you always get different answers and opinions and so we have to still have to make the decisions based on our planning. We are usually planning how the models will roll out and look 3 years in advance and sometimes color trends will change and design strategies get updated but we normally have a pretty good idea of where the line is going at that point.
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Seriously, it’s fine by me if you just go with the Japanese Tour paint jobs...
 
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