ariwibowo
Semi-Pro
The glossy reminds me of wilson ultra tour
Prince Official - Racquets
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ariwibowo
Semi-Pro
The japanese version has 100 sq inch 305 grams 16x19
jmacdaununder2
Legend
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Donuts & Deadlifts
Rookie
I really hope this is it. I like the black and orange, but that purple is NICE!
LordGulbis
Semi-Pro
Will the Toroline edition be super expensive or not?
(This was meant as a reply to @ariwibono above, but I messed up...)
Understood. The point I was trying to make is that 300g 100 inch is by many considered the "golden standard". If you are relatively new to the sport and don't know (and/or care) much about equipment and your coach tells you to pick up a standard 27", 300g, 100sq inch racquet, that is what you will go look for. If Prince only offers 290g or 310g (or 305g even) in their most "allround" package, then Prince will not be an option for someone who is out specifically for a 300g racquet. While 5g may be considered a very minor difference for someone more experienced with equipment, and likely well within QC tolerances, those 5g could very well be considered a deal breaker for a weekend warrior.
Understood. The point I was trying to make is that 300g 100 inch is by many considered the "golden standard". If you are relatively new to the sport and don't know (and/or care) much about equipment and your coach tells you to pick up a standard 27", 300g, 100sq inch racquet, that is what you will go look for. If Prince only offers 290g or 310g (or 305g even) in their most "allround" package, then Prince will not be an option for someone who is out specifically for a 300g racquet. While 5g may be considered a very minor difference for someone more experienced with equipment, and likely well within QC tolerances, those 5g could very well be considered a deal breaker for a weekend warrior.
jimdontcare
Professional
I think someone like this will be cross-shopping the Ripcord anyway.
ozbikebuddy
Professional
Just have to say it ...damn!!!!That just made my day!
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
Phantom-ish purple, but a bit brighter.The purple one is probably going to be the lighter versions only if they ever come out.
It would be so damn awesome if I can have a purple 100p though...
The phantom purple was way more classy IMHO. This Toroline version seems more inline with the actual market tough.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Was the purple collab mooted as being on the 95 later in the year?
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
Not mine this one, but while I didn't like the 23mm hoop, at least the throat is much slimmer. If only, it was a constant 22mm like the 95.
Anyway, I could easily switch to this one, why? The box beam, the glossy paint finish that i like my fingers to touch and the fact that this one, as I've said before, while haaving a relatively small sweetspot for a 98, it felt like a Prestige Mid93 on steroids.
From the new Tours, I'm only interested in the 100P and the 290 gram version.
Other Prince frames I've played with in the recent past:
Tour 310 O-port & ATS98 Tour 95 2015 - still use it Synergy 98 - would like a lower 310 Tour Hydrogen Tattoo Vortex 300
too high swingweight finally dialed it the string setup swingweight, other than that it high swingweight and static on of the easiest rackets to
with a multi-cross string was an excellent and unique frame pick-up and play right away
that I used for 2 months didn't stick to it because I used to
use one-handed backhand, but now
that I hit it with two, I could easily use it again
Anyway, I could easily switch to this one, why? The box beam, the glossy paint finish that i like my fingers to touch and the fact that this one, as I've said before, while haaving a relatively small sweetspot for a 98, it felt like a Prestige Mid93 on steroids.
From the new Tours, I'm only interested in the 100P and the 290 gram version.
Other Prince frames I've played with in the recent past:
Tour 310 O-port & ATS98 Tour 95 2015 - still use it Synergy 98 - would like a lower 310 Tour Hydrogen Tattoo Vortex 300
too high swingweight finally dialed it the string setup swingweight, other than that it high swingweight and static on of the easiest rackets to
with a multi-cross string was an excellent and unique frame pick-up and play right away
that I used for 2 months didn't stick to it because I used to
use one-handed backhand, but now
that I hit it with two, I could easily use it again
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Jasper Ruud
New User
I just had a listen to the podcast, and while it was ambiguous as to whether or not there will be any Japanese frames (or collaborations) available, I got the impression that there is actually a good chance we'll see something pop up in the non-Japan markets. Time will tell!
finalfantasy7
Professional
finalfantasy7
Professional
Out really soon = French Open
mixtape
Hall of Fame
I finally got to finishing the podcast and Tennisnerd's review. I'm hyped and excited for the new lineup. I was initially gravitating towards the 100P, because of the 18x20 string pattern, but my current racquet specs of choice are preferring the 100 310. The ISO-Fiber tech and partial foam placement is interesting as well.
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
I'd appreciate a more thorough overview of the line, like Jonas did for the last series. This one felt like a quick presentation with very little new info about them...
Personally, I'd like to have two of these in my back and settle for good:
The 290 for the room of customisation it offers (310 is too high for me now) and
The 100P because I've never played a 100 sq inch 18x20 and I would like to see how much better it could complement my dead-flat strokes on the forehand side.
Too bad, me as Greek cannot sign up for any of Tennis Warehouse racket playtests. I feel I could really do a good job offering first-hand feedback accompanied by hitting clips and comments from my hitting partners.
Got burned out trying different rackets and strings these past 4-5 years, I'm looking to settle with something for at least one year, but nothing excites me.
finalfantasy7
Professional
last time i messaged you, you wanted the nordicotts, did you get one
i had thr last prince ats 98 - loved it, but needed another racket which helps my backhand side as its my weakest shot - i bought the nordicotts 99 - loved it but, just didnt have enough topspin(however im using it as 2nd racket), bought the nordicotts 98 pro - this was too flat for my 2nd serve, then i bought and settled with the Gravity pro = gives me that arch which the nordicotts 98 pro couldnt
however since the nordicotts 99 g2 out - im very interested
but will wait till this new prince is out to decide.
Jasper Ruud
New User
Agreed, this review an advertisement. If you are doing the review with the racket maker, it's not likely to be very objective.
For the super flat shots you will not like the 290/310. It will almost feel like the racket spins your shots anyway. I would only recommend these rackets for players who live to spin the ball. Just go with 100P.
aussie
Professional
I've been posting this for quite some time but the orange/black Tour 100 models in both the 18x20 and 16x18 patterns are the pinnacles of the o-port frames. Got mine (and a EXO3 Tour 100 18x20) in 2014/2015 when rehabbing from TE surgery.
Have occasionally strayed from them but always come back because they are just so so good. The comfort, the spin, the manoeuvrability, the control and enough power for the modern game. I have two Phantoms and while they are nice to play with they fall short of what the ported Tours offer.
Played two days ago with the 16x18 strung full bed with 17g synthetic gut to protect a sensitive wrist and honestly I could not strike the ball any better.
I really wish if Prince want to stick with ports that they revisit the orange/black molds and do no more than modernise the colorway because everything else is perfect. BTW grommet strips are still available for mine to keep them fresh.
tele
Hall of Fame
Are your 2 phantoms the new new o-port model? Asking because I heard the latter was inspired by the former.
aussie
Professional
No I have the 2020 Phantom Pro 100 and the Phantom 100x 290 which are both non ported. Of those two I prefer the Pro 100 for it's insane flex, comfort and spin - as well as it's stunning colorway ( black with green lettering).
tele
Hall of Fame
i agree the green/black paint job looked great.
i also realized my previous response was poorly worded. I meant to say the new o3 phantoms were inspired by the exo3 tours, not by the other phantoms.
flyfshrmn98
Rookie
Been a long time Prince user. Started with a Thunderstick as my first racket ha, Ozone Pro Tour in college (wish I still had one for nostalgia) then the orange and black tour pro, and recently the ATS tour 98 and 100P. Looking forward to this new tour line coming out. Was hoping we would get the same Tour 100 16x19 like Japan but unfortunately not. Hopefully this like will sit somewhere between the ATS and 2019 versions
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
I don't play enough tennis to go for racket hunting, like I used to a couple years ago.
I've settled with a Blade V5 16x19 and a Prince Tour 95 2015.
I only play for the exercise and stay in touch with the unique sensation of hitting the tennis ball from baseline to baseline.
I find Padel much more enjoyable and much less stressful.
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
That English Sean Hodkin does a better job right now. Luka Berg and TennCom share more specific feedback from their experience, they seem to really care to share their experience.
What's the most promising thing is the Toroline-collaboration which I've been urging Prince to copy to get Prince back to where they belong.
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
A number alone doesn't say the whole story. The string spacing of both the 290 and the 310 is uniformed around the sweetspot and there's a big gap from the top, bottom and sides of the hoop apparently to allow for more ball pocketing and more launch/power.
My Diadem Elevates have a MUCH more open 16x20 pattern, but the last mains are much closer to the sides of the hoop to tame/reduce the stringbed launchiness.
Another huge factor is that all tennis balls I've used the past 2 years play very fast and ""hard"" for the first 15-20 minutes and then fall off the cliff in a rapid fashion. They become MUCH slower for me after half an hour and don't last more than 3 hours total. So, yes, for the very first 20 minutes i get several "sails" out of any racket i used and after that it feels very hard to overshoot.
Lord of the Crags
New User
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
The dark-purple the previous Phantoms had would be an excellent addition.
I'll say it once again: in order to make Prince cool again, they need to push through Instagram and TikTok (I don't have one, but everyone seems to have one).
In a smaller scale, they should do what Toroline did after Covid and in two years time they got ahead of everyone else in the tennis string market.
It's super cheap and super intrusive/brainstorming way to make your rackets more and more relevant by bringing the COOL-VIBE and entertainment factor back to our hands!
Prince have by far the most diverse range of molds. For example, there should be much more Vortexes out there being used by players of my level or lower.
I'll say it once again: in order to make Prince cool again, they need to push through Instagram and TikTok (I don't have one, but everyone seems to have one).
In a smaller scale, they should do what Toroline did after Covid and in two years time they got ahead of everyone else in the tennis string market.
It's super cheap and super intrusive/brainstorming way to make your rackets more and more relevant by bringing the COOL-VIBE and entertainment factor back to our hands!
Prince have by far the most diverse range of molds. For example, there should be much more Vortexes out there being used by players of my level or lower.
I don’t care about numbers. I used all of these rackets and that’s my feeling. 100P is much less powered and has more control and flat trajectory. 100 310 is much more spin and power and less control.
jimdontcare
Professional
I do think 310 (and 290 presumably) is at its best with some shape. But unlike pretty much all my experiences with "spin" 100s, I find the 310 quite versatile and up for a lot of tasks. So long as you're fine with the launch angle, which is consistent but indeed high.
This was mentioned earlier in the thread but the 310 is a kind of control-spin frame, but its comparative advantage in that segment is better feel and a more forgiving stringbed. It doesn't do lasers on dimes like the PA98. The PA98 is the deadliest weapon in the category. The 310 is the swiss army knife.
Another way I'd think about the 310 and the 100P is asking yourself what makes you feel in control. For me, shape makes me feel like I'm in control of my shots. I know for others, shape can feel less controlled (even if it's necessary sometimes) and they'd rather know they can just hit to spots. If that's you, you'll probably find yourself more at home with the 100P.
This was mentioned earlier in the thread but the 310 is a kind of control-spin frame, but its comparative advantage in that segment is better feel and a more forgiving stringbed. It doesn't do lasers on dimes like the PA98. The PA98 is the deadliest weapon in the category. The 310 is the swiss army knife.
Another way I'd think about the 310 and the 100P is asking yourself what makes you feel in control. For me, shape makes me feel like I'm in control of my shots. I know for others, shape can feel less controlled (even if it's necessary sometimes) and they'd rather know they can just hit to spots. If that's you, you'll probably find yourself more at home with the 100P.
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
Already did this quite a few years ago (but mine’s a Wilson)
Lavs
Hall of Fame
I tested 310 quite thoroughly. Unfortunately, even with good feel and mass, this racket DOES HAVE some kind of inconsistency in its stringbed. The only way to control the ball is with spin, shaping it gracefully. It is not that easy to play flat with it, producing pinpoint accuracy and directional control. For this kind of play you just need to bring up 100P.
LordGulbis
Semi-Pro
Gorgeous, would love a tutorial.
LordGulbis
Semi-Pro
What are the main differences between the Tour 98 and the Tour 100P in playability?
longtimelurker
Professional
As always the tour100 impresses. Labelled as a control frame now?
NetDump5000
New User
Tour 98 is a touch more powerful because, QC variance aside, the SW is typically a touch higher and that is the primary determinant of power, aided by stiffness and beam thickness. I personally prefer 97/98 frames in general, but the 100p is very manouevrable even for the 1hbh drive while the 98 can be more sluggish, but hits hard and with precision.
Aside from the string patterns, the molds are very similar as I have both here beside me from the previous ATS iteration. The 98 hoop is somewhat more narrow (around 1cm) than the 100p but the mains are the same length. The beam of the 98 (16x19) is 23mm at the tip but is 22mm on the 100p (18x20). The other difference is the 100p is far more headlight than the 98, although that difference might be reduced in the new ones which may also be truer to target specs.
The launch angle is a bit higher on the 98, but both can he used to hit flat winners comfortably when needed. The 98 is like a blend of the Speed Tour 97 and the Blade 98 but with a tapered beam. 100p is quite unique because it is quite an open 18x20 and very usable.
konstantinos kalfountzos
Hall of Fame
The ATS98 headshape is very similar to the headshape a Pacific racket I have and also similar to one Angell TC95 V3 I once had (and still regret trading).
Long central mains and narrow headshape and this is why the sweetspot feels relatively small compared to, let's say, a Blade 98.
Long central mains and narrow headshape and this is why the sweetspot feels relatively small compared to, let's say, a Blade 98.
Wow! That review did exactly what it was supposed to do-got me really excited for this racket! I appreciated the string suggestions that were discussed as well.
jimdontcare
Professional
The DNA has always been primarily that of a control frame. It's a box-ish beam with an average width below 23mm. It's just a lot more than just a control frame. And because it tries to be so well rounded, if you come to the 100 expecting a CX or Blade you're probably going to feel hoodwinked. I think it's tricky for enthusiasts like us to go into a frame blind, not knowing its weird specs, but if you can keep an open mind like Michelle I can guarantee you will at least have a smile on your face playing with it.
mixtape
Hall of Fame
That review gets me even more excited and curious about it's feel! That's the quirky thing I like about Prince specs, it could be listed as a 16x18, but play like a controlled 18x20. Plus now adding new tech, like ISO-fiber and with foam in in certain places, the racquet might feel more like a 16x20 string pattern.
Before I committed to the Phantom Pro 100P (16x18), I tried the Phantom Pro 100 (18x20) thinking it would be best for my flat hitting style, but was amazed the 100P suited my flat strokes just as well. I got the same results, but with more depth. So I'm not surprised the Tour 100 310g would be a control frame.
Before I committed to the Phantom Pro 100P (16x18), I tried the Phantom Pro 100 (18x20) thinking it would be best for my flat hitting style, but was amazed the 100P suited my flat strokes just as well. I got the same results, but with more depth. So I'm not surprised the Tour 100 310g would be a control frame.
