Not exactly the same racquet as what is sold in the US, though.One of the most detailed online reviews of the ATS tour 98.
Aside from the paint job, any idea what the differences are? The whole Prince Japan vs Prince Everywhere-Else thing is so confusing.Not exactly the same racquet as what is sold in the US, though.
I agree that it is confusing. IIRC, the flex is lower, the beam width is slightly thicker, there is vibration dampening called PVS in the handle that appears to be only in Japanese Prince racquets, and the throat grommet has extra cushioning.Aside from the paint job, any idea what the differences are? The whole Prince Japan vs Prince Everywhere-Else thing is so confusing.
Still paintjob is the most terrible thing from all of the aboveI agree that it is confusing. IIRC, the flex is lower, the beam width is slightly thicker, there is vibration dampening called PVS in the handle that appears to be only in Japanese Prince racquets, and the throat grommet has extra cushioning.
Been using the Classic Graphite 100s for 7 years, but got a 100G as my graphites are wearing down and this seemed to be the closest replacement. The feel is a bit different, but I actually find the 100G to have more power than the Classic Graphite. I used the 100G this past weekend and enjoy serving with it, but still have to dial in some ground strokes, as at times I find them to run long a little. I also added 3" of TW tape at 10 and 2 on both sides.Anyone else playing with Phantom 100Gs as their mains these days? I just switched over recently. Added 1g at 10/2 which helped move up and open up the sweet spot a bit more too.
Been using the Classic Graphite 100s for 7 years, but got a 100G as my graphites are wearing down and this seemed to be the closest replacement. The feel is a bit different, but I actually find the 100G to have more power than the Classic Graphite. I used the 100G this past weekend and enjoy serving with it, but still have to dial in some ground strokes, as at times I find them to run long a little. I also added 3" of TW tape at 10 and 2 on both sides.
Just in the transition phase myself. Bought four of them during the 30th anniversary sale and I am enjoying it so far. I put a lot of weight on it to get it up to my specs (leather grip, Blu tack in the tubes, 3 grams of lead at 12 o clock, 2 layers of lead at 3 & 9 o clock) of 369 grams string, 10 pts head light. I would not call it low powered, but it definitely lower powered than my MG Radical OS’s. Ash Kev/ZX hybrid at 55 lbs x 50 lbs and I am really enjoying the pocketing/ dwell time I am getting. Decent spin production, great on the slice, wonderful touch, and solid on the serves. The honeymoon is going well so far.Anyone else playing with Phantom 100Gs as their mains these days? I just switched over recently. Added 1g at 10/2 which helped move up and open up the sweet spot a bit more too.
Hey do you happen to have a picture of your Prince ATS Textreme Tour with the Diadem strings? I like matching string colors to the racket if I can, and I'd love to see what the racket looks like with teal strings.I cannot wait to get the frames in, I decided to string them with Diadem Solstice Power 17's @ 50 Lbs. From the spec-sheet to @fsutennis93 review, this racquet could be the answer to my prayers and peRFectly fit my game.
FYI the Prince Phantom Pro 100 and Phantom Pro 100 (18x20) are going for $99 on Tennis Warehouse right now
Yeah, I saw that sale and still am not sure if a Phantom 100X 290 would be a little too demanding. Think I'd prefer the ATS Textreme Tour 100 (290g) since it's still pretty soft but gives more free power.A few weeks ago in recognition of TW’s 30th birthday, the Phantom Pros were only $75 and the newer generation Phantoms just $99.
Oh that teal grip is a nice touch. Thanks so much for sharing! Excited for when I finally get my ATS TT 100 290.
@BoxbeamsFTW. Just out of curiosity, did you ever get a chance to play with the new ATS 95?My review of the White 2020 Textreme Tour 95 released in Japan
Unstrung stock specs(with plastic on grip):
311g even static weight, take off 2g for the plastic
311mm balance
288 swingweight
I think I got a little lucky with the overall specs this time. There was just a tiny bit of silicon in the handle, probably more for adjusting the static weight than the balance. Which is a great bonus, because occasionally it's not like that.
Strung with Solinco Hyper-G at 47/49lbs mains/crosses, no overgrip, no dampener.
So far I've found from the racquet, on a scale between the 2015 original and 2019 version:
Power is at an increase to 70-80% of the 2019 version in a lesser weight, pop is 70% of the 2019 version
Flex profile(!) of the original, but updated feel and stiffness, kinda, like in the 2020 blue and purple set of phantoms
Stability is improved, I'm really surprised how stable it is at the stock weight, which is lower than the other versions
Maneuverability is slightly better, but I'm not sure if it's really from the frame or hairpin itself, I think it could be from the slightly flatter bumperguard, the side grommet channels definitely seem more flush though, I'll explain more in a separate cosmetic review
Feel of the original is there, what the 2019 version should have been, more in depth explanation below
Comfort is improved like between the original and 2020 Phantoms, maybe more so in here on the Tour from a thicker beam, due to a larger surface area
Sweetspot size is the same I think, but the effective hitting area definitely seems to have increased. Think of it almost like a 97 sq. in headsize!
Control and spin is the same, spin is maybe slightly better. I feel like my slice maybe skims and sticks to the ground just a bit lower. And maybe my slice serve has the tiniest bit more spin and heaviness.
It is definitely more responsive in the racquet head and upper head especially, outside the sweetspot. It has a cleaner, slightly stiffer upper hoop. Cleaner feeling in the shaft too, I'm pretty sure the overall flex and stiffness is the same as the 2015 original though. Power closer down to 6 o'clock is not overwhelming either, very similar to the original
Control, Bending/deflection profile, dwell time, and pocketing of original, with the feel for the ball impact location in the stringbed of the original
For volleys, touch shots -
This is where the difference is most noticeable. Feel of the pocketing is maybe 10% down, but more comfortable at a 10g lighter package, still have to be careful with tennis elbow probably, the control is there, but it's just a little more muted on touch shots than the original
But strangely, on a cold night at least with mildly used balls, strung with Hyper-G, struck in the sweetspot, I feel no difference at all in feedback on groundstrokes between the original and this one.... I'm not kidding and a bit surprised...
During the daytime or when it's warmer it's different, and comfort is different too. But feel or touch on shot location is the same. Edit: On groundstrokes whenever the weather warmed up, some of my shots would land just out. Particularly if I tried to hit a high topspin forehand or backhand but didn't follow through with enough racquet head speed. But shots hit back with hard volleys and blocks would land where the original TT95 would send them, just with more pace. So that was welcome. But most welcome was that shots hit outside the sweetspot did not have a noticeable drop in power like in the original. It was almost like the sweetspot increased massively to a 97 or 98 sq. inch racquet! But control or feel did not diminish, I think lots of people will like this part.
On soft volleys or delicate touch shots is where I missed the feeling and magical connection to the ball of the original the most. The control and touch is still there, it's just with a distinct aramid feeling this time. People who played with the Pro Staffs that had kevlar probably won't mind, but anyone who loved the feeling of the center of the sweetspot of the original, or some of the feeling of the original Phantom Pro 93P, will miss that a little. Maybe the 2012 Pro Staff Six.one 95 and PS97S too. That softer, comfortable connected plushness in the feedback.
It's much more crisply dampened like the PS90s with kevlar or the first RF97 minus the stiffness and better touch. But I don't think the pocketing or dwell time had changed much if at all. I should experiment with strings more first though to see if I can improve or maybe get it back. Anyways, this was literally only on delicate drop shots. Which aren't the majority of shots I get to hit in a match.
Also the sound from hitting a ball is much more like the Pro Staffs. There's that distinct slightly higher-pitched fibery-sounding ping. Like there was some really stiff fibreglass inside.
On the Japanese Prince website, they state that the Textreme and twaron in the shaft and upper hoop has lead to torque reduction and increased propulsion. Which means better stability and power. I think they've don't exactly that. Without taking much away from the original at all. Which seems remarkably impressive to me.
In summary:
Performance of the original, with 70-80% the power of 2019 version, with the feel in the top of the hoop and shaft of the original mixed with the Pro staffs with kevlar, and with the improved comfort like in the update of the 2020 blue or purple Phantoms, plus a much better effective hitting area in the racquet head
Think of it like a baby between the 2015 original,
a Pro Staff with kevlar inside it,
mixed with some of the pop and power of 2019 TT95,
also throw in the 2020 Phantoms too I guess, P models,
and maybe even a Pro Tour 630/280/PT57a with the weight distribution it has stock.
If the original was like what the Pro Staff 85 would play like in the larger 95 sq. inch headsize, this one is even more so. Like what an update to the Pro Staff 90 or 95 should have been, or what the PS97 should have been like. I think it's really that good.
It does have an increase in power, my only real problem with it was on groundstrokes if I didn't take a full swing and was looking to block a return or tried to slap a wide ball back, also on flat serves because the tension I strung it at. In warmer conditions during the day I had some trouble trying to dial in the flat serve.
It's just a tiny bit more powerful than I was hoping for, but on the plus side poly players who play full bed could string their favourite poly in it now at their regular tension, keeping the weight lower for older folks and a wider share of rec. players. I think I could fix it by stringing 2-3 lbs higher anyway. This is the update for everyone who was playing with the original in a firmer full bed of poly but wanting more power was waiting for. Or people playing with the original in Hyper-G liking but not loving it. The power, responsiveness outside the sweetspot, and minor stability issues are fixed here.
This is a good update, not like maybe a different version of the same racquet like the 2019 version. I'm excited for the eventual North American and European release. I think it might be even better, hopefully. Hope it arrives around the time of the Aussie Open. I could play with this one stock, unlike the original, except with some weight in the handle to get the balance where I normally like it.
Great job Prince. Keep it going. Thanks.
How are you liking your ATS 290?Oh that teal grip is a nice touch. Thanks so much for sharing! Excited for when I finally get my ATS TT 100 290.
Not sure why Prince varied the colors slightly between the various models of the line. The 100 290g has a red bumper guard, 100 310g has red grommets, and the 95, 98, and 100P only have black guards and grommets. Would've preferred to have both a red bumper guard and red grommets, but oh well.
Ah sorry to disappoint, but I'm actually planning on buying it months (possibly years) down the road when it goes on sale; I just plan really far ahead.How are you liking your ATS 290?
Thats some crazy patience, I need the best stuff asapAh sorry to disappoint, but I'm actually planning on buying it months (possibly years) down the road when it goes on sale; I just plan really far ahead.
Wish more companies outside of Prince had flexy, 10.6 - 10.8 oz tweener rackets, but I'm happy with Prince's offerings. The ATS Textreme Tour 100 (290g) and Textreme Tour 100T from 2015 have awesome specs for beginner to intermediates who want an arm-friendly racket that still has some space for customization.
Lol if I play with it long term and realize it's way better suited than my current main racket, then I'll just feel really bad that I "wasted" $200 on my previous racket. At least if I buy the ATS TT 100 on sale for $100-150, I can comfort myself with the fact that I got a great deal.Thats some crazy patience, I need the best stuff asap![]()
Haha I just stop caring about previous racquet and sell it on auction siteLol if I play with it long term and realize it's way better suited than my current main racket, then I'll just feel really bad that I "wasted" $200 on my previous racket. At least if I buy the ATS TT 100 on sale for $100-150, I can comfort myself with the fact that I got a great deal.
I have not played with the 98, but I also think the ATS 95 is great. The sweet spot feels ample, and I wouldn't want to give up any more control or want a thicker beam. I added a little weight, and at 348 strung and 324 SW, it still feels very maneuverable.For those wanting a comparison on how the TT95 plays compared to the TT98, I finally managed to get my hands on a TT98 in the UK and had a few games with it. Until now I've been pretty much uniquely playing with the original 2015 TT95 and for the last couple of months with the new ATS TT95 (which I love and previously semi reviewed on this thread), I really wanted to try the 98 as I'm getting to an age where a little bit of easier power and a slightly more forgiving racket would/could be helpful and I thought that based on the reviews the 98 could be exactly the racket to help me transition from the 95's.
Firstly they are both great rackets, the TT98 is noticeably lighter as you'd expect from the spec compared to the 95. I found it really easy to generate good depth and spin with the racket with my sliced backhand especially going deeper into the court. Likewise with the serve, depth and placement are easier than with the TT95 and at the net its more maneuvarable which is particularly helpful at doubles. Oh and the racket is definitely a bit more forgiving with off centre shots. Basically everything the reviews say is true and interestingly alot of my friends who have tried the racket have loved it, not something that generally happens when Bab or Wilson players use a Prince (they didn't like the ATS 95 as much).
Would I give up my TT95's for it? Surprisingly no. This came as a slight surprise to me, especially after I played my first match with the 98, but the more I've played with the 98 the more I found myself missing the precision and solidity of the 95, yes it asks more of me, but when you get it right, few rackets feel as nice as the ATS 95. I found the 98 a little too light, the ball was a little more floaty, I was struggling to generate quite the weight of shot on my forehand and against bigger hitters the difference in weight put a bit more strain on my arm and elbow. Yes alot of this is down to my technique (or lack thereof!) and I'm sure if i fully committed to the 98 I'd be able to resolve some of these issues, but with the 95 playing as sweetly as it is, the 98 just felt like comprimising for comprimisings sake.
I'd definitely advise people trying both rackets and I'm absolutely sure that the 98 will outsell the 95 by a huge margin, but for those who play alot with 95's (or smaller) rackets, you might find the new 95 is a better fit, especially as the ATS 95 addressed many of the niggles with the previous two TT95 launches.
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Still seems not many (if at all from what I've read here) are playing with the ATS 100 (16x18)? Curious how it compares to the 98 and maybe even some of the Phantoms if anyone has played with either?
This! Inquiring minds want to know.
I've been using the Phantom 100 since May 2017 and have been looking for a racquet with more power for the last year as I make my push towards UTR 10. I saw that the new ATS racquets had come out and looked at reviews for the previous Tour 100 310 and they were overwhelmingly positive so I decided to buy the new one without a demo (I also live in Canada).
Ordered three matched two Mondays ago, got them last Wednesday and have hit with them for around nine hours now. Maybe demand for racquets are high right now but I've never had to wait close to 10 days to get matched racquets from TW before which was unfortunate but now I have the racquets.
The feel at first was much crisper than the Phantom and though it's still crisp, I'm much more accustomed to it; there's no discomfort or anything (I also use gut/poly). Launch angle is slightly higher than the Phantom but by no means a large departure and slices are much better with the Tour 100 than Phantom. For those who aren't coming from ports, there might not be an adjustment at all.
The power is noticeably higher with this racquet and it's immediately felt/seen/heard on both first and second serves and ground strokes. I played my fellow UTR 9.xx Sunday morning who's also making his push towards UTR 10 and had a tennis enthusiast watching on the sidelines waiting to give me my little gifts from his trip to Madrid. My friend watching mentioned that I was hitting much bigger than before and dictating more frequently. With the same swing as I would the Phantom, the ball goes through the court more quickly. Any time I launched the ball, it was because of technique, not because the racquet is inherently "launch-y". I didn't notice any flutter on mishits or off-centre hits.
My outgoing Phantoms have a SW of 332/333 and returning with them (a strength of mine) was a breeze with easy depth. The Tour 100 is good on returns but because the SW is 324, you gotta work a bit harder to get the same depth. My practice partner has a massive serve so it's a very good test of the racquet on returns.
Volleys are more or less the same as Phantom which is good, the biggest difference being the feel which is a big adjustment coming from the Phantom with its flex.
Maybe it's been the humidity here but I broke the strings after 2.5 hours. Maybe just a fluke.
I'm very happy with the racquets and look forward to playing tournaments with them during the summer.
I think that only big names increase overall sales. I never heard any recreational player, even those into ITF, to switch or talk about switching/buying/trying a frame because a junior or ITF player is using it.Pretty disappointing that Prince doesn’t really offer many sponsorships / discounts for juniors or college players. Doesn’t make much sense to pay twice the price for frames - even if you’d like to play with them.
Sure, but if you can break 'even' while offering discounts - you increase the number of players using your frames. Not so say that I would sell Prince more frames if I used there frames (as a lowley Division 3 tennis player) - I'm just saying even though I like their frames, I probably won't pay more to buy their frames while every other company gives college players discounts. Maybe Prince couldn't care less about everything but making profit off of sales (and more power to them) - it's just alienating a market. One that I might even argue would contribute to their sales. Who wants to use a frame that no one else uses? How much more likely are you to pull the trigger on a frame if more people who train at your club use them? Offering colegent players discounts would not only keep the competitive with other companies, but might help them re-energize their brand.I think that only big names increase overall sales. I never heard any recreational player, even those into ITF, to switch or talk about switching/buying/trying a frame because a junior or ITF player is using it.
Junior sponsorships are nice to get some lower tier exposure but if these kids go big they'll follow the money. Prince won't be able to match it.
If a junior player wins, their opponents might be interested in switching but paying the bills will make them stick with manufacturers who give them more.
At least that's how I see it.
As noted previously, the TT98 is no wider than the the TT95 - meaning that there is no increase in spin window - it simply has longer mains which increase the trampoline effect and reduce control.For those wanting a comparison on how the TT95 plays compared to the TT98, I finally managed to get my hands on a TT98 in the UK and had a few games with it. Until now I've been pretty much uniquely playing with the original 2015 TT95 and for the last couple of months with the new ATS TT95 (which I love and previously semi reviewed on this thread), I really wanted to try the 98 as I'm getting to an age where a little bit of easier power and a slightly more forgiving racket would/could be helpful and I thought that based on the reviews the 98 could be exactly the racket to help me transition from the 95's.
Firstly they are both great rackets, the TT98 is noticeably lighter as you'd expect from the spec compared to the 95. I found it really easy to generate good depth and spin with the racket with my sliced backhand especially going deeper into the court. Likewise with the serve, depth and placement are easier than with the TT95 and at the net its more maneuvarable which is particularly helpful at doubles. Oh and the racket is definitely a bit more forgiving with off centre shots. Basically everything the reviews say is true and interestingly alot of my friends who have tried the racket have loved it, not something that generally happens when Bab or Wilson players use a Prince (they didn't like the ATS 95 as much).
Would I give up my TT95's for it? Surprisingly no. This came as a slight surprise to me, especially after I played my first match with the 98, but the more I've played with the 98 the more I found myself missing the precision and solidity of the 95, yes it asks more of me, but when you get it right, few rackets feel as nice as the ATS 95. I found the 98 a little too light, the ball was a little more floaty, I was struggling to generate quite the weight of shot on my forehand and against bigger hitters the difference in weight put a bit more strain on my arm and elbow. Yes alot of this is down to my technique (or lack thereof!) and I'm sure if i fully committed to the 98 I'd be able to resolve some of these issues, but with the 95 playing as sweetly as it is, the 98 just felt like comprimising for comprimisings sake.
I'd definitely advise people trying both rackets and I'm absolutely sure that the 98 will outsell the 95 by a huge margin, but for those who play alot with 95's (or smaller) rackets, you might find the new 95 is a better fit, especially as the ATS 95 addressed many of the niggles with the previous two TT95 launches.
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I don’t have an ATS TT95 to compare against here, but my recollection from older versions is that the main strings are spaced wider on the TT95 than the TT98, which has 8 mains up the middle. Does anyone have both to make a comparison?As noted previously, the TT98 is no wider than the the TT95 - meaning that there is no increase in spin window - it simply has longer mains which increase the trampoline effect and reduce control.