Prince Official - Racquets

mattimag said:
Hello! Can someone compare the Prince Tour Ats 95 to the 98? Are there huge differences?
I play with old Prestige Mp model so I am user to 95 head size. But is the 98 much better? Prices are very different
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I just received and played with my ATS 95 for a couple of weeks. I also own the ATS 98 and the 2015 TT95.

Since you have been playing with the Prestige MP - 95" head size which is a player's racquet you would probably prefer the ATS 95 over the ATS 98. I'm assuming since you are a Prestige user, you are likely a higher level player that is able to generate your own power and have no issues with a 95" head size. You would also probably prefer the weight and balance of the ATS 95 over the 98.

The ATS 95 and 98 are very similar. The head width is exactly the same. The mains are longer on the 98, the 98 is a bit lighter and the balance is 1 point less head light. IMO, I find this translates to the 98 having just a smidge more power but a bit less control. Occasionally, forehands and flat serves will sail with the 98 but I do not encounter this with the ATS 95 or TT95.
I believe others that have tried the ATS 98 have had similar experiences.

Power: ATS 98 > ATS 95 > 2015 TT95

Control: ATS 95 > 2015 TT95 > ATS 98

Cosmetics: 2015 TT95 > ATS 95/98 :D

The ATS 98 is probably intended to compete more with racquets like the Yonex Ezone 98, Wilson Blade 98 (16x19), Babolat Pure Strike. etc.
The ATS 95's specs are more inline with player's racquet specs.

Hope this helps you (and others that are deciding between the ATS 95 and 98)
 
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Out of the following experiments from Prince which ones do you think worked if any and which ones should they keep and build derivatives or delete and release some other interesting frames :

1. Vortex line
2. Twist Power
3. Synergy 98
4. Ripstick

Just from my opinion I would like to see a tour spec version of the Vortex, something close to the Volkl V Engine 10 MP.
My recreational customers really enjoy the comfort and power and ease of use with the Ripstick
 
While I’m on this thread I want to ask people’s opinions on their classic release frames - should they stay or go and what would you change. The frames in question:

1. POG
2. Diablo MP
3. CTS Synergy 97

I didn’t buy Diablo and the CTS because they didn’t off a grip 5 but I would like to see the Warrior MP TT have another go;
 
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Finally if you had to pick one frame from the Prince range that is your favourite or best racquet they make for you, what is it ?

For me it’s the Phantom 93P 18/20 for serving big in singles and Phantom 100P for dubs. I haven’t tried the ATS Tour range so I can’t rate them.
So I have just made 3 posts with 3 topics for people to discuss - please would love to hear your thoughts.
 
Crocodile said:
Finally if you had to pick one frame from the Prince range that is your favourite or best racquet they make for you, what is it ?

For me it’s the Phantom 93P 18/20 for serving big in singles and Phantom 100P for dubs. I haven’t tried the ATS Tour range so I can’t rate them.
So I have just made 3 posts with 3 topics for people to discuss - please would love to hear your thoughts.
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ATS 95. Control, stability and most importantly for me, comfortable!
 
As a big Prince fan I’ve played the Phantom 100x 305, Ripstick, TT95, Twistpower 100 and 100 tour. Honestly I think my favourites of theirs are their box beam style rackets. The Twistpowers are surprisingly controlled, especially the tour. The ripstick is hilariously fun, the 100x 305 felt great but has some instability in the hoop. The TT95 is new to me but I am loving it having played a Prince 95 box beam as a junior.

For me the standout of their new tech is the Twistpower, easily. Feels Aero Storm ish with the angled throat and box beam head.

But for me their classic style rackets are the ones they’re doing better than probably anyone at the moment. The stiffer head/flex throat with CTS is simply a great combo.

If anyone has tried the Phantom 93p 14x18 and can compare to any other Prince rackets I’d love to hear what you thought!
 
Happi said:
Dear @10S-Junkie would you mind sharing your experience and the difference between the new ATS95 and the old 2015 TT95. I have a few of the old ones and wonder if it is worth an upgrade. Thanks H
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Hi @Happi and @SackFeral

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: Absolutely!

As you probably both know, the 2015 TT 95 is a great racquet. I've ventured away from it from time to time as I'm a racquetaholic but have always gone back to my trusty TT95.
The differences are minimal. Same head shape/size but slight thickness differences in the head and throat for the ATS design which translates into more stability and less flutter for off center hits.
As others have mentioned, the new ATS 95 provides the improvements they were hoping for but did not get in the 2019 TT95 generation.
More stability and more plow through power but with the same comfort as the 2015 TT 95.
So far my serves are heavier and more accurate.

The swing weight is not as low as the 2015 TT95 so if you have a one handed backhand, you may need some adjustment time. It didn't affect my 1HBH but I'm a rare bird that hits both 1HBH and 2HBH.

If you can demo the ATS 95 then definitely do it. If not, buy them quickly if the price drops (which may happen soon because I sense a new generation might not be too far away).
One good thing is that the grommet/bumper sets from the TT95 can also be used with the ATS95.
 
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Crocodile said:
While I’m on this thread I want to ask people’s opinions on their classic release frames - should they stay or go and what would you change. The frames in question:

1. POG
2. Diablo MP
3. CTS Synergy 97

I didn’t buy Diablo and the CTS because they didn’t off a grip 5 but I would like to see the Warrior MP TT have another go;
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The POG should definitly stay but not just the OS, the 100 too.
 
I own both TT95 2015 and 2019. I have played with the 2015 version for a few years until recently. In the last two years, I demoed different player's rackets for a replacement. I tried TF40 315 18/20, the most heavy Prestige (2020 model?), Phantom 93P 18x20, 97P, 100P, and Dunlop CX 200 tour 18x20. The Dunlop was the racket I planned to move to when the price is dropped to a clearance price (low 100s). However, Prince TT95 2019 got reduced to a clearance price a few months ago. I picked up two and never looked back.

Both TT95 have similar weight distribution but the feel is different. Contrast to other reviewers, I actually find the 2nd gen plays softer and more comfortable. I can take a full cut on the ball without worry hitting out, which I can't on the 1st gen. My 1st gen has gut/poly, so it probably has more power on the string bed. My 2nd gen has Head Velocity MLT. I like this racket so much that I bought a third one, which is the very last stock from TWE. YMMV.
 
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aus89 said:
I feel like the POG 107/100/100 LB/93 would do better than the slightly modernized and underpowered Phantom Graphites
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Been playing with the Phantom 100G after 6 years of using the Prince Classic Graphite 100. I actually have grown to like the 100G a bit more for feel and out of box stability. Both racquets I add about 3g at 10 and 2 and a leather grip. Us a poly main and multi cross. Love them both.
 
Crocodile said:
Finally if you had to pick one frame from the Prince range that is your favourite or best racquet they make for you, what is it ?

For me it’s the Phantom 93P 18/20 for serving big in singles and Phantom 100P for dubs. I haven’t tried the ATS Tour range so I can’t rate them.
So I have just made 3 posts with 3 topics for people to discuss - please would love to hear your thoughts.
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Probably the Phantom 100G. Plays alot like the Classic Graphite 100. I also enjoyed when it was available the most recent Phantom 100P. I tested in ATS Tour 98 and 100, and the power level takes getting used to after coming from the Phantoms - however did enjoy the feel on the ATS 100 310.
 
scott_home said:
I own both TT95 2015 and 2019. I have played with the 2015 version for a few years until recently. In the last two years, I demoed different player's rackets for a replacement. I tried TF40 315 18/20, the most heavy Prestige (2020 model?), Phantom 93P 18x20, 97P, 100P, and Dunlop CX 200 tour 18x20. The Dunlop was the racket I planned to move to when the price is dropped to a clearance price (low 100s). However, Prince TT95 2019 got reduced to a clearance price a few months ago. I picked up two and never looked back.

Both TT95 have similar weight distribution but the feel is different. Contrast to other reviewers, I actually find the 2nd gen plays softer and more comfortable. I can take a full cut on the ball without worry hitting out, which I can't on the 1st gen. My 1st gen has gut/poly, so it probably has more power on the string bed. My 2nd gen has Head Velocity MLT. I like this racket so much that I bought a third one, which is the very last stock from TWE. YMMV.
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As noted different strings can certainly influence perception; I found the second gen to be the harshest of the three.
The third gen is certainly the best with regard to stability, relative comfort & power compromise imo; it’s like gen one with a far more stable - but not necessarily stiffer feeling - upper hoop.
 
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jmacdaununder2 said:
As noted different strings can certainly influence perception; I found the second gen to be the harshest of the three.
The third gen is certainly the best with regard to stability, relative comfort & power compromise imo; it’s like gen one with a far more stable - but not necessarily stiffer feeling - upper hoop.
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But it is too muted. 61&62 RA when you have Phantom line which is also very soft means Prince does not have any racket stiffer than 62RA apart from Beast 100 but it has thick beam. So it made no sens to make Tours very soft, just like Yonex makes VCore line soft while it has aleays been crisp.
 
Dartagnan64 said:
So my 107G is getting pretty beat up. Any news on refreshes for the Phantom line or should I just bite the bullet and buy another of the current model?
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no news and the Phantom Graphites would probably be updated separately to the regular Phantoms regardless
 
fox said:
But it is too muted. 61&62 RA when you have Phantom line which is also very soft means Prince does not have any racket stiffer than 62RA apart from Beast 100 but it has thick beam. So it made no sens to make Tours very soft, just like Yonex makes VCore line soft while it has aleays been crisp.
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The Tour series has actually been around longer than the Phantom series. Regardless, I believe both of these series aim to be lower RA and arm friendly. The Beast series is their stiffer line but availability depends on where you're located globally.

I don't find my ATS 95 too muted. It's muted enough to prevent unwanted vibration but still provide enough feedback IMO. I string with thin gauge (1.20mm or less) poly at 54/52 lbs.
 
10S-Junkie said:
The Tour series has actually been around longer than the Phantom series. Regardless, I believe both of these series aim to be lower RA and arm friendly. The Beast series is their stiffer line but availability depends on where you're located globally.

I don't find my ATS 95 too muted. It's muted enough to prevent unwanted vibration but still provide enough feedback IMO. I string with thin gauge (1.20mm or less) poly at 54/52 lbs.
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But the Beast line doesn’t have 98 anymore and it has only 100 model. So there isn’t any choice tbh. If you want to play Prince you need to use very soft frame.
I use Textreme 100 310 and now I probably need to go to Pure Strikes or any Tecnifibre racket next…
 
fox said:
But the Beast line doesn’t have 98 anymore and it has only 100 model. So there isn’t any choice tbh. If you want to play Prince you need to use very soft frame.
I use Textreme 100 310 and now I probably need to go to Pure Strikes or any Tecnifibre racket next…
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True, Prince currently doesn't have a stiffer option for you (and neither does Pro Kennex). Seems like the trend for many brands now is to produce more arm friendly frames with low RA and/or vibration dampening tech.

Might be worth it for you to demo the ATS 98 and ATS 100 310 anyways if you haven't already.
What strings and tension do you tend to use?
 
aus89 said:
no news and the Phantom Graphites would probably be updated separately to the regular Phantoms regardless
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I was hoping the G's would come down in price given they've been out without a refresh for quite some time. The original Phantom Pro's are down to $99. I was thinking the newer ones (still old) could be down to $149
 
fox said:
But the Beast line doesn’t have 98 anymore and it has only 100 model. So there isn’t any choice tbh. If you want to play Prince you need to use very soft frame.
I use Textreme 100 310 and now I probably need to go to Pure Strikes or any Tecnifibre racket next…
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Complaining about a company not making an arm wrecker in their lineup seems uproariously funny to me. How much money are you earning on tour that you would sacrifice comfort for performance?

Pretty sure everyone should be thanking Prince for refusing to wreck arms in the racket market. Plenty of arm breaking frames out there. Have at it.
 
Dartagnan64 said:
Complaining about a company not making an arm wrecker in their lineup seems uproariously funny to me. How much money are you earning on tour that you would sacrifice comfort for performance?

Pretty sure everyone should be thanking Prince for refusing to wreck arms in the racket market. Plenty of arm breaking frames out there. Have at it.
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Lol. 65RA in Textreme Tour 100 is an arm wrecker?
Besides, if you can’t use stiffer racket you have plenty of choice in the market. But please understand people who like different things. The are really not many stiffer choices in the market with thin beam.
The same way I can say „don’t produce rackets weighting more than 310g because ameteurs don’t need such weight”….
 
fox said:
Besides, if you can’t use stiffer racket you have plenty of choice in the market. But please understand people who like different things. The are really not many stiffer choices in the market with thin beam.
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i agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion about what flex is best, but your.claim about a lack of stiffer options on the market does not seem accurate. a number of racquet lines (in addition to those from tecnifibre and babolat) with beam widths comparable to that of the textreme tour 100 have higher RAs. These include the ps97, the 6.1 100, the head radicals, the prestige tour, the solinco whiteout, and the angell tc 95 and tc100 (70ra versions).
 
tele said:
i agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion about what flex is best, but your.claim about a lack of stiffer options on the market does not seem accurate. a number of racquet lines (in addition to those from tecnifibre and babolat) with beam widths comparable to that of the textreme tour 100 have higher RAs. These include the ps97, the 6.1 100, the head radicals, the prestige tour, the solinco whiteout, and the angell tc 95 and tc100 (70ra versions).
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Wow, 7 models out of the whole market! Why do we need 40 soft models? :D
Plus take into account that ProStaff or Prestige are more advanced levels rackets.
Also, I don’t claim all rackets must be stiff 70RA frames - just don’t feel the trend to have all models around 60-62RA.
 
fox said:
Wow, 7 models out of the whole market! Why do we need 40 soft models? :D
Plus take into account that ProStaff or Prestige are more advanced levels rackets.
Also, I don’t claim all rackets must be stiff 70RA frames - just don’t feel the trend to have all models around 60-62RA.
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well, to be fair, I didn't say or imply you claimed that all models need to be 70RA, nor were the examples I gave all 70RA. I also left out other relevant models from wilson, yonex, babolat, tecnifibre, and volkl. I was not trying to say these represented the majority of the market, as I do not know if that is the case. I was just pointing out there were numerous frames within the tour 100 spec range that had higher RAs.
 
fox said:
But it is too muted. 61&62 RA when you have Phantom line which is also very soft means Prince does not have any racket stiffer than 62RA apart from Beast 100 but it has thick beam. So it made no sens to make Tours very soft, just like Yonex makes VCore line soft while it has aleays been crisp.
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Flex is not all about the RA value. I have never been a fan of noodlish racquets. My Tour 100p ATS are very comfortable and feel somewhat soft. However they do not feel as soft (I could say noodlish) like some old school racquets with a RA around 60 too. I guess it also has to do with beam thickness, which is not extremely thin on the modern Prince Tours. Keep on the good job, Prince.
 
fox said:
Lol. 65RA in Textreme Tour 100 is an arm wrecker?
Besides, if you can’t use stiffer racket you have plenty of choice in the market. But please understand people who like different things. The are really not many stiffer choices in the market with thin beam.
The same way I can say „don’t produce rackets weighting more than 310g because ameteurs don’t need such weight”….
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I didn't say The TT was an arm wrecker, I said the opposite. Prince rackets are known for comfort just like ProKennex. They should be thanked because every other company out there makes stiff frames. There is no reason for Prince to make an arm wrecking frame when so many already exist.

And I totally disagree that there are a ton of choices in flexible frames. There are way more 64+ RA frames than softer frames. And it used to be far worse before Wilson started dropping their flexes.

And asking for a thin beam stiff racket is asking for someone to break the laws of physics. The thinner the beam the more flex the racket will have. Only way to firm it up is with more material which adds a ton of weight. Those rackets exist in second hand shops as they stopped making them in the 90's.
 
Dartagnan64 said:
I didn't say The TT was an arm wrecker, I said the opposite. Prince rackets are known for comfort just like ProKennex. They should be thanked because every other company out there makes stiff frames. There is no reason for Prince to make an arm wrecking frame when so many already exist.

And I totally disagree that there are a ton of choices in flexible frames. There are way more 64+ RA frames than softer frames. And it used to be far worse before Wilson started dropping their flexes.

And asking for a thin beam stiff racket is asking for someone to break the laws of physics. The thinner the beam the more flex the racket will have. Only way to firm it up is with more material which adds a ton of weight. Those rackets exist in second hand shops as they stopped making them in the 90's.
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Volkl Vcell 10
 
Hi, I'm looking for a Prince racquet that is easy to play, with some free power (maybe similar level to Ezone 100). Both Ripstick 300g and Twistpower X100 Tour got nice reviews and seem to be fitting my needs. There's very little difference in specs so my question is how they feel in play - what is the most noticeable difference between the two.
 
lazywombat said:
Hi, I'm looking for a Prince racquet that is easy to play, with some free power (maybe similar level to Ezone 100). Both Ripstick 300g and Twistpower X100 Tour got nice reviews and seem to be fitting my needs. There's very little difference in specs so my question is how they feel in play - what is the most noticeable difference between the two.
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based on reviews, it seems like ripstick is more powerful and has less control than the x100 tour and the ezone 100.
 
lazywombat said:
Hi, I'm looking for a Prince racquet that is easy to play, with some free power (maybe similar level to Ezone 100). Both Ripstick 300g and Twistpower X100 Tour got nice reviews and seem to be fitting my needs. There's very little difference in specs so my question is how they feel in play - what is the most noticeable difference between the two.
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I’ve used both a fair bit, the ripstick definitely has less control, much more power and a bit more trampoline effect thanks to the giant ports, the hoop is stiffer than the RA rating too, I personally found it a bit erratic but very fun. The twistpower tour has a nice plush feel and feels less stiff than it’s RA, with a controlled response. Think of them as pure drive/pure aero type differences. Hope that helps!
 
jbdbackfan said:
Been playing with the Phantom 100G after 6 years of using the Prince Classic Graphite 100. I actually have grown to like the 100G a bit more for feel and out of box stability. Both racquets I add about 3g at 10 and 2 and a leather grip. Us a poly main and multi cross. Love them both.
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I've been using mine for about 15 months now... the best tennis I've played for sometime using this frame. Classic racquet specs coupled with a 16x18 make it a top-spin machine. Launch angle took a little bit of adjusting . I string mine with 4G rough at 51lbs to compensate for the flex or sometimes I hybrid them with VS Power/Klip Legend. Currently am trialling the Head Prestige Pro but I keep coming back to this frame. Just hit so clean with it
 
Anyone got any ideas about when the new Phantom line might be dropped...

It's such a shame Prince have sunk to the levels they currently reside at because they truly do make quality racquets and equipment.
 
A-Style said:
Anyone got any ideas about when the new Phantom line might be dropped...

It's such a shame Prince have sunk to the levels they currently reside at because they truly do make quality racquets and equipment.
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They arguably are the worst managed brand in the industry. I've emailed them countless times over the years with inquiries or questions - never once have I gotten a response. Their management and social media management are a mess with zero teasers, information, or product news. The only thing they seem to care about is collaborations with unknown clothing brands to sell t-shirts for $89.
 
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