Prince Official - Racquets

konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Now, I'm in the market for a 300 gram, 100 sq inch frame from Prince with room for customization. Phantoms are like Prestiges in my mind, not for customization, they're ready to go. I'm considering the Beast or Warrior 300 grams.
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if you get a warrior, i think the textreme (black/white)is supposed to be a better frame than the non−textreme 300g warrior.
 
RoarTT said:
How is the launch angle on the Twistpower 100x compared to the PD 21?
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The twist power is a little bit lower launch angle that a pure drive. But it’s not just that. The twist power is much softer and has a thinner beam, resulting in way, more feel, and a little bit less power, in fact, just less power than a Pier Drive. So you have a lot more control over depth with the prince. Now don’t get me wrong. I do love the pure drive because I have tamed it and learn to play with the spin trajectory to my vantage. So I’m not knocking the pure drive. But it’s a different animal.
 
danbrenner said:
The twist power is a little bit lower launch angle that a pure drive. But it’s not just that. The twist power is much softer and has a thinner beam, resulting in way, more feel, and a little bit less power, in fact, just less power than a Pier Drive. So you have a lot more control over depth with the prince. Now don’t get me wrong. I do love the pure drive because I have tamed it and learn to play with the spin trajectory to my vantage. So I’m not knocking the pure drive. But it’s a different animal.
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Thank you for the detailed comparison!
 
danbrenner said:


IN fact .. i like the twistpower x100 tour so much. i decided to demo the reg 100 , the 104. and the textreme 100
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Got to love the glossy-hoop of the Twistpower!
As for the Textremes Warrior, Tours, Beast I have to say I'm very comfused:

That blacked n' white Textreme should be the 300 gram 16*18 version of around 2020 (Jonas the Tennisnerd had the 310 gram version as his racket of choice with the green colour instead of the green.

But, with the current available models in TW and TW Europe, the 16*18 is only found in this model that has a different mold (different throat and beam width):
https://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/Prince_Tour_100_Rackets_310g/descpageRCPRINCEH-PT310-EN.html

2 current frames seem to share the same mold with your Warrior 300, the Beast and Warrior 300 but they come with 16*19.
 
danbrenner said:


IN fact .. i like the twistpower x100 tour so much. i decided to demo the reg 100 , the 104. and the textreme 100
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The TP Tours are some of the sexiest sticks Prince ever made. Too bad neither are available from TWE :(

Still, kudos to these fine folks at TWE for making the DIablo available. My old stick from nearly 20 years ago.
 
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konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Got to love the glossy-hoop of the Twistpower!
As for the Textremes Warrior, Tours, Beast I have to say I'm very comfused:

That blacked n' white Textreme should be the 300 gram 16*18 version of around 2020 (Jonas the Tennisnerd had the 310 gram version as his racket of choice with the green colour instead of the green.

But, with the current available models in TW and TW Europe, the 16*18 is only found in this model that has a different mold (different throat and beam width):
https://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/Prince_Tour_100_Rackets_310g/descpageRCPRINCEH-PT310-EN.html

2 current frames seem to share the same mold with your Warrior 300, the Beast and Warrior 300 but they come with 16*19.
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YES the twispower tour 100 with the glossy hoop is the hottest racquet ever made. lol no joke
the other lines. tour. speaks for itself. the europe and usa share the same sticks. but japan has new ones. lol yes confusing.
twistpower also japan has other sticks. very confusing.
beast. europe has the new beast. so not confusing. we just dont have it here in usa.

but yes overall l very confusing. but just concentrate on what you can get in your area.
 
Japan's market is very much different from any other market in the world. Just, like, wow. If you get a chance, just watch loads of YouTube clips about Japanese culture and marketing. Just a mad, mad place.
One of the biggest differences is not just that most Japanese are slight compared to Americans, and even Europeans, but their women are quite a bit more so than even the men. Tennis is hugely popular amongst women in Japan, and Prince cater to that market very thoroughly.
This often means smaller grips and lighter weights sell in larger quantitites than they might elsewhere. Some colours in Japan are very traditional and some sacred, and we see this reflected in the paint as well.
 
Crocodile said:
Supplementary to what I have written I don’t see any problems with Prince setting up a more prominent arrangement with Hydrogen to give it a fresh image.
They make good racquets, they just need to define and polish their ranges more and really zone in on what racquets they need to sell. Yes the Phantom range update is way overdue. The low sheen purple on the Phantom 100P looks good, maybe they can make the purple more intense. There aren’t many purple racquets out their right now ( accept previous Yonex VCP ) and an electric purple on some of their models could look quite outstanding.
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Although the discussion moved on, I would give me 2 cents on Prince's market position

Keep in mind,that the old continent is mostly cut off due to Brexit, therefore I can only attest, that Prince is non ecisting here. I don't know how big the overall market share for Tennis brands is in Europe, but it certainly does not help.

In general Prince needs to decide, if it wants to be this classy legacy brand, with old money clothing, traditional racquets lines, and a feeling of superiority. Or does it want to cater to the young, modern, and probably more extravagant players and continue with the Hydrogen collab.

These points relate to the second problem: Their portfolio is a mess. A lot of racquets & modifications to choose from without a homogenous design language.

Prince could try to milk the legacy story and market itself to the wealthy as an exclusive brand. Classy designs, traditional frame with some tweaks for the modern game. At the same time, get rid of the name and produce the weirdest racquets under the Hydrogen-hood. Splashy designs, uncommen string patterns... Whatever. Right now, I don't know, if it wants to innovate like Babolat did, or stay classy like Prokennex or (for the most part) Wilson.
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Got to love the glossy-hoop of the Twistpower!
As for the Textremes Warrior, Tours, Beast I have to say I'm very comfused:

That blacked n' white Textreme should be the 300 gram 16*18 version of around 2020 (Jonas the Tennisnerd had the 310 gram version as his racket of choice with the green colour instead of the green.

But, with the current available models in TW and TW Europe, the 16*18 is only found in this model that has a different mold (different throat and beam width):
https://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/Prince_Tour_100_Rackets_310g/descpageRCPRINCEH-PT310-EN.html

2 current frames seem to share the same mold with your Warrior 300, the Beast and Warrior 300 but they come with 16*19.
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the black and white frame is the textreme warrior 100, which is still available. it came out in the mid -2010s. It has a 16x18
 
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graycrait said:
@danbrenner , Have you hit with the Twistpower X97 Tour? I really like the X97 but have not tried any of the other Twistpowers. I have 3 TP X97's, string them with Prince Diablo 17g at 57lbs.
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No I have not. I would have liked too. But it’s not avail. So not too bothered. But honestly I’m a 100 player at heart. And love the buggy whip nature of the one hundreds.
So is the 97 your main ?
Also in Japan. The new tp 98 is out. I would be more inclined for a 98 given the choice.
 
Yeah, the X97 is my main racquet, with the Wilson Ultra Tour 97 18x20 my second, albeit with some lead in the hoop. My X97s play well for me at stock weight/balance
 
graycrait said:
Yeah, the X97 is my main racquet, with the Wilson Ultra Tour 97 18x20 my second, albeit with some lead in the hoop. My X97s play well for me at stock weight/balance
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I don’t doubt that the 97 twist power would be my favorite 97.
This line of rackets is truly a sleeper and probably the most overlooked of 2023
 
Ive got a pair of TPX97s, the tighter 16x19 string pattern was main reason I went them over the 100s (TxT 310 has me covered for 16x18)

They have a Pro Staff-esque drill spacing with 6 tight mains in the middle that open up as you get closer to the edge
(giving great pocketing and dwell time when you make contact off centre & a very dense middle sweet spot that IMO gives great directional support (not even mentioning the slightly oversized grommets (for sting movement aka comfort and spin)

the "Feel" of them are parallel to none....almost intoxicating for Tennis Nerds.

They play beautifully from almost all aspects of the court. If I wasnt a Fickle baller who cant choose a main stick, then I'd gladly use it match after match but when I try to flatten out my first serves I simply cant dial them in (Post Honeymoon Phase & only noticeable when comparing more traditional (not twisted box beam) frames). It became a hope and pray...the throat is surprisingly stable but becomes a slingshot and my aim (and ability to confidently hit wide flat to the ad side) goes out the window.

the racquet is pure s3x being blacked out (butt cap and all, along with the matte to gloss fade...hot dayyyym) but it still feels weird holding the throat with my off hand lol.
 
tazz said:
Although the discussion moved on, I would give me 2 cents on Prince's market position

Keep in mind,that the old continent is mostly cut off due to Brexit, therefore I can only attest, that Prince is non ecisting here. I don't know how big the overall market share for Tennis brands is in Europe, but it certainly does not help.

In general Prince needs to decide, if it wants to be this classy legacy brand, with old money clothing, traditional racquets lines, and a feeling of superiority. Or does it want to cater to the young, modern, and probably more extravagant players and continue with the Hydrogen collab.

These points relate to the second problem: Their portfolio is a mess. A lot of racquets & modifications to choose from without a homogenous design language.

Prince could try to milk the legacy story and market itself to the wealthy as an exclusive brand. Classy designs, traditional frame with some tweaks for the modern game. At the same time, get rid of the name and produce the weirdest racquets under the Hydrogen-hood. Splashy designs, uncommen string patterns... Whatever. Right now, I don't know, if it wants to innovate like Babolat did, or stay classy like Prokennex or (for the most part) Wilson.
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In my opinion Prince should reduce down to 3 racquet series' and their "Classic" line (Think POG and the recent Diablo, etc).

Go with:
-Tour (the best all round racquet for most modern players)
-Phantom (The best arm friendly, traditional style racquet)
-Beast/Warrior (The power line, thicker beam for the "power" player, or younger players).

Keep it simple. Get rid of all the Ps and Gs and all these other letters, that while most us understand, someone that just wants to play tennis would be totally lost in. I do hope for the Phantoms of the future they keep the cross bar, but maybe just keep it to one 97/98 model, maybe 2 100s and an OS and 93. Keep it easy to pick.
 
jbdbackfan said:
In my opinion Prince should reduce down to 3 racquet series' and their "Classic" line (Think POG and the recent Diablo, etc).

Go with:
-Tour (the best all round racquet for most modern players)
-Phantom (The best arm friendly, traditional style racquet)
-Beast/Warrior (The power line, thicker beam for the "power" player, or younger players).

Keep it simple. Get rid of all the Ps and Gs and all these other letters, that while most us understand, someone that just wants to play tennis would be totally lost in. I do hope for the Phantoms of the future they keep the cross bar, but maybe just keep it to one 97/98 model, maybe 2 100s and an OS and 93. Keep it easy to pick.
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I'd add to that an "X" series with all the innovative/funky molds. Moreover, that Japan-to-Westworld lag of releases is an issue. Some frames are already out for 3 years. Are there gonna be any updates soon?
 
Do the prince leather grip 3/8 feel larger than the standard? I recall prince grips being on the standard/smaller side but have a 93p demo with a chunky grip.
 
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jbdbackfan said:
In my opinion Prince should reduce down to 3 racquet series' and their "Classic" line (Think POG and the recent Diablo, etc).

Go with:
-Tour (the best all round racquet for most modern players)
-Phantom (The best arm friendly, traditional style racquet)
-Beast/Warrior (The power line, thicker beam for the "power" player, or younger players).

Keep it simple. Get rid of all the Ps and Gs and all these other letters, that while most us understand, someone that just wants to play tennis would be totally lost in. I do hope for the Phantoms of the future they keep the cross bar, but maybe just keep it to one 97/98 model, maybe 2 100s and an OS and 93. Keep it easy to pick.
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I disagree variety is the spice. The spice must flow. I love prince for their creativity and variety. The most unique racquet company in the world, lets not normalize them you damn normie
 
Aestheticsaboveallelse said:
I disagree variety is the spice. The spice must flow. I love prince for their creativity and variety. The most unique racquet company in the world, lets not normalize them you damn normie
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Organization will sell more. The average tennis novice/intermediate isn't an equipment junkie, usually. To have a system that easily lets you pick a racquet out suited for your style vs trying to understand 10 different series is just a welcome change. Their creativity can show just have it make sense.
 
jbdbackfan said:
Organization will sell more. The average tennis novice/intermediate isn't an equipment junkie, usually. To have a system that easily lets you pick a racquet out suited for your style vs trying to understand 10 different series is just a welcome change. Their creativity can show just have it make sense.
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They just need a great demo system for everyone to try and see what racquet is for them
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Phantom 100X (305, 16*20) in Japan seems to be the same with the ones we already have, so it's just different cosmetics:

https://princetennis.com/txt-ats-phantom-100x-305
https://www.princeshop.jp/shop/g/gH0073343/

So, what's new for now seem to be the updates blue colour for Twistpower and the red colour for the Beast. (phew!)
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phantom 100 in japan has (and has had for the past few models) a different beam profile. the o port model has rhe same taper as the reg US phantom. although prince japan is clearly modifying the same basic designs as prince us, and there are some great prince japan racquets, it is not as simple as there just being a lag time between the two. prince japan releases versions that are not ever released in the states, and vice versa
 
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jbdbackfan said:
Organization will sell more. The average tennis novice/intermediate isn't an equipment junkie, usually. To have a system that easily lets you pick a racquet out suited for your style vs trying to understand 10 different series is just a welcome change. Their creativity can show just have it make sense.
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Yep, like Yonex & Babolat.
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Phantom 100X (305, 16*20) in Japan seems to be the same with the ones we already have, so it's just different cosmetics:

https://princetennis.com/txt-ats-phantom-100x-305
https://www.princeshop.jp/shop/g/gH0073343/

So, what's new for now seem to be the updates blue colour for Twistpower and the red colour for the Beast. (phew!)
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My understanding of various reviews is that the 2024 Beast "Mango" has di9fferent drilling,while the Twist has a slightly different layup.
 
This GLOSSY red-wine Beast was released in 9/2021 with the parallel drilling.
https://www.princeshop.jp/shop/g/gH0072443/

Now, the new red-dominant, not glossy and with some orange towards the throat 2023 Beast is released, still with parallel drilling.
https://www.princeshop.jp/shop/g/gH0076541/

USA options for the Beast are these 2:
https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Hydrogen_Spark_300/descpageRCPRINCE-PRHSPH.html
https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Hydrogen_Random_300/descpageRCPRINCE-PRHR30.html

European option for the Beast is this one, no parallel drilling:
https://www.tenniswarehouse-europe....Racket_300g_/descpageRCPRINCEH-PBR300-EN.html
* cheaper option with almost same specs but with slightly less RA is this "new" Warrior:
https://www.tenniswarehouse-europe....et_Pre_Strung/descpageRCPRINCEH-PRWAR-EN.html
with big gap between the 3rd and 4th bottom grommet

So, all the 3 Beasts seem to be a Beast with no parallel drilling that has been introduced to the Beast line in Japan 2 years ago...

Edit: Japan Phantoms from 2021 have parallel drilling also
 
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jbdbackfan said:
In my opinion Prince should reduce down to 3 racquet series' and their "Classic" line (Think POG and the recent Diablo, etc).

Go with:
-Tour (the best all round racquet for most modern players)
-Phantom (The best arm friendly, traditional style racquet)
-Beast/Warrior (The power line, thicker beam for the "power" player, or younger players).

Keep it simple. Get rid of all the Ps and Gs and all these other letters, that while most us understand, someone that just wants to play tennis would be totally lost in. I do hope for the Phantoms of the future they keep the cross bar, but maybe just keep it to one 97/98 model, maybe 2 100s and an OS and 93. Keep it easy to pick.
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In my opinion, this is way closer to true than false. Others may feel differently, I know. Someone who is not familiar with the lines could feel like they landed in Alice in Wonderland for all the different directions you can go right now.
 
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