Prince Official - Racquets

Aestheticsaboveallelse said:
Thats why a great demo system is the solution
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I'd need the updated version to demo. Current Beast is an obsolete model compared to Japan (parallel drilling and new dampening technology throughout not only the handle, but also part of the throat). Westworld Phantom is 2 years behind the new cosmetics, so why pay the full-price when there've been 2 years behind the updated version.

* I don't see a 18*20 Phantom 100X in Prince Japan
 
danbrenner said:
Here’s the question are we able to order from the Japanese website and have it shipped to the United States? @dsp9753 @konstantinos kalfountzos
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The previous, full red-wine glossy Beast is now listed for ¥19,250 which is 120€. One would need a third-courier party which is mentioned somewhere above. I bet the process wouldn't be any hard to follow-up, but personally I can't be sure about any extra customs/importing costs (+ delivery dates).
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Westworld Phantom is 2 years behind the new cosmetics, so why pay the full-price when there've been 2 years behind the updated version.

* I don't see a 18*20 Phantom 100X in Prince Japan
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though the japanese line has been updated more recently, the cosmetics in japan are not "ahead" of the us. they are different. the previous line of japanese phantoms did not look like the us models. the japanese and us phantoms are similar but separate lines.
 
tele said:
though the japanese line has been updated more recently, the cosmetics in japan are not "ahead" of the us. they are different. the previous line of japanese phantoms did not look like the us models. the japanese and us phantoms are similar but separate lines.
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Even though cosmetics is not the most important update (I won't accept someone liking the black coloured Beast over the glossy red wine), specifically our Beasts and Phantoms haven't updated to the parallel drilling. The latest red-orange Beast also comes with some "new dampening tech" extending into the throat. New 18*20 Phantom is absent in the Japanese website
 
Bought this on an auction site for cheap it was like almost new. The user said he regularly gets racquets from Japan with shopping services and there is no problem for the regular consumer, only retailers. He said he tests so many racquets and this one was one of his faves. This playing amazing ! it's the x100 regular, but I have added some weight in the handle to spec it up to tour level. What an amazing stick, this apparently has twaron and also foam ? Looking forward to the 98 version, which i will order sometime next year after official release !! Tested on euro clay at Melbourne park.

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DJ- said:
Bought this on an auction site for cheap it was like almost new. The user said he regularly gets racquets from Japan with shopping services and there is no problem for the regular consumer, only retailers. He said he tests so many racquets and this one was one of his faves. This playing amazing ! it's the x100 regular, but I have added some weight in the handle to spec it up to tour level. What an amazing stick, this apparently has twaron and also foam ? Looking forward to the 98 version, which i will order sometime next year after official release !! Tested on euro clay at Melbourne park.

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Love this PJ posted it in the holic thread!! Sooooo gooood, lucky you!
 
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konstantinos kalfountzos said:
Even though cosmetics is not the most important update (I won't accept someone liking the black coloured Beast over the glossy red wine), specifically our Beasts and Phantoms haven't updated to the parallel drilling. The latest red-orange Beast also comes with some "new dampening tech" extending into the throat. New 18*20 Phantom is absent in the Japanese website
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The PVS (dampening tech) appears to be Japan-only, as it made it into the Prince Japan ATS tours but not the US tours. Many of the Japanese racquets also have different throat grommets and have had them for years. As far as I know, Prince Japan has never had an 18*20 phantom. I think the Beast line is over outside of Japan, but I could be wrong.
 
DJ- said:
Bought this on an auction site for cheap it was like almost new. The user said he regularly gets racquets from Japan with shopping services and there is no problem for the regular consumer, only retailers. He said he tests so many racquets and this one was one of his faves. This playing amazing ! it's the x100 regular, but I have added some weight in the handle to spec it up to tour level. What an amazing stick, this apparently has twaron and also foam ? Looking forward to the 98 version, which i will order sometime next year after official release !! Tested on euro clay at Melbourne park.

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Why amazing?
 
Aestheticsaboveallelse said:
Why amazing?
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Because the feel is awesome. Love the twaron feel, very connected to the shots. Mid 60's ra easy put away power, and great for defense. On the backhand you can easily redirectballs with depth being in a defensive position. It serves absolute bombs, literally. 16x18, but plays with precision of an 18x20. Super comfortable and whatever the twist tech is, it works !
 
DJ- said:
Because the feel is awesome. Love the twaron feel, very connected to the shots. Mid 60's ra easy put away power, and great for defense. On the backhand you can easily redirectballs with depth being in a defensive position. It serves absolute bombs, literally. 16x18, but plays with precision of an 18x20. Super comfortable and whatever the twist tech is, it works !
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I’m with you. I have the tour. Not only is it the most gorgeous racket in the world, but it really play soft to the touch with precision and feel and power
 
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DJ- said:
Bought this on an auction site for cheap it was like almost new. The user said he regularly gets racquets from Japan with shopping services and there is no problem for the regular consumer, only retailers. He said he tests so many racquets and this one was one of his faves. This playing amazing ! it's the x100 regular, but I have added some weight in the handle to spec it up to tour level. What an amazing stick, this apparently has twaron and also foam ? Looking forward to the 98 version, which i will order sometime next year after official release !! Tested on euro clay at Melbourne park.

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I don’t know if the regular version has foam. Because on the current Tennis Warehouse site, the current version is different from the tour to non-tour. The tour has foam, and the non-tour does not have foam
 
danbrenner said:
I don’t know if the regular version has foam. Because on the current Tennis Warehouse site, the current version is different from the tour to non-tour. The tour has foam, and the non-tour does not have foam
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Yes, the Japanese website says foam is only in the 98 Tour and 100 Tour
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
First, enable the japanese subs and then go to the next icon (gear). At the place the yellow arrow points at, you can choose English. This traslates the already activated Japanese to English.

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Don't count on the auto translation in video. Japanese is really hard to translate, I would say even more so than Chinese. The English subtitle produced will confuse you (or makes you laugh so hard your brain lacks oxygen) more than give you the information you need.
 
ericykchan said:
Don't count on the auto translation in video. Japanese is really hard to translate, I would say even more so than Chinese. The English subtitle produced will confuse you (or makes you laugh so hard your brain lacks oxygen) more than give you the information you need.
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I spy with my little eye a Ripstick. Is it Clash/TF-X1 300 launchy? I mean, at your usual tension of polyester full-bed, is it too powerful?
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
First, enable the japanese subs and then go to the next icon (gear). At the place the yellow arrow points at, you can choose English. This traslates the already activated Japanese to English.

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Yea see thats what I did but its giving you 4 different settings there. Mine only has 3: Annotations, Playback speed, Subtitles

Your 4th setting doesnt exist on mine
 


so this is when art meets design. this is now my new stick of choice. but also a work of art. the way Prince has morphed the matt throat into the gloss hoop is simply racquet perfection.
also this is the only stick in current production that has a separate version for lefties. thats because of the way the throat is shaped. the throat is twisted as you can see. this helps with comfort and aero maneuverability. but because its twisted in one direction, the aero feature only works for a right hander in my example. a leftie would have to purchase the leftie model for his aero path. they are available on the prince japan website. not here yet. but a very interesting little tid bit. bravo Prince. the true innovators of our sport.
 
danbrenner said:


so this is when art meets design. this is now my new stick of choice. but also a work of art. the way Prince has morphed the matt throat into the gloss hoop is simply racquet perfection.
also this is the only stick in current production that has a separate version for lefties. thats because of the way the throat is shaped. the throat is twisted as you can see. this helps with comfort and aero maneuverability. but because its twisted in one direction, the aero feature only works for a right hander in my example. a leftie would have to purchase the leftie model for his aero path. they are available on the prince japan website. not here yet. but a very interesting little tid bit. bravo Prince. the true innovators of our sport.
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Looks stunning man! I've come across 2 of the 290gram versions. They are not glossy, but will check if they're still available to consider.
 
I hope that when Prince sort out their restructure that the product manager comes onto the message board here and asks Prince fans to give some feedback as to how to bring this great brand back to prominence.
I think Prince have a lot of good ideas and possible racquet frames and a bit of fine tuning could be a good thing,
 
danbrenner said:


so this is when art meets design. this is now my new stick of choice. but also a work of art. the way Prince has morphed the matt throat into the gloss hoop is simply racquet perfection.
also this is the only stick in current production that has a separate version for lefties. thats because of the way the throat is shaped. the throat is twisted as you can see. this helps with comfort and aero maneuverability. but because its twisted in one direction, the aero feature only works for a right hander in my example. a leftie would have to purchase the leftie model for his aero path. they are available on the prince japan website. not here yet. but a very interesting little tid bit. bravo Prince. the true innovators of our sport.
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Hopefully we will get the Tour version in 100 and 97 in Europe this year.
 
WYK said:
I wonder if it's marketing...and even if it isn't, will it really matter.
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For newcomers to the sport, I think that Prince's cosmetics and unique molds can attract some some candidate buyers.

One problem is when they are "pushed" towards specific brands by someone else (coaches etc). When I was asked for recommendations by 2 close friends, I just layed-out specs, not rackets. One got a Pure Aero Rafa 300 and the other one a Wilson Blade 100 sq inches. They knew I used the Diadem Nova, but the price tag of 200€ for an unknown brand to them was too high (less re-sell value).

Then, they still get misled by what a player uses and what endorses. Fortunately, most of the brands clearly say "X player endorses" this racket. Still, I have examples of youtube presentations from a greek website that straight-out lies about Sakkari using the Ultra they sell.

Then comes the price-tag. It has to be competitive: not over 200€ for any racket. More than Artengo and near Dunlop, less than big brands.

For example, Warrior and Beast series should be 150€ tops. Big brands' tweeners can be bought on sale for 20€ more than that, so newcomers prefer the big brand on sale "opportunity".

Very important is that newcomers don't know about or don't trust the secondary/private market.
 
Lord of the Crags said:
Anybody swinging one of the new Vortex?
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I have, but very briefly. Something like a total of 1.5 hours with beginner hitting partners. Can't be conclusive. A friend gave it to me to give it a try.
Huge sweet-spot. MSV focus hex didn't fit it well, I think. I may be able to get my hands on it again, if anyone is interested for a quick review.

Edit: a friend is sending me an O3 Tour to try along with a 26inch juniors racket for my nephew (next-gen Bublik).
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WYK said:
I wonder if it's marketing...and even if it isn't, will it really matter.
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Prince sales are big enough to continue making awesome frames. They are big in JP and have a solid backing with TW. I think you are right regarding the marketing. Could they become bigger? Absolutely, but seems like they are contempt. Makes you think though would they be this innovative if say they had multiple top ten players on tour.
 
konstantinos kalfountzos said:
I have, but very briefly. Something like a total of 1.5 hours with beginner hitting partners. Can't be conclusive. A friend gave it to me to give it a try.
Huge sweet-spot. MSV focus hex didn't fit it well, I think. I may be able to get my hands on it again, if anyone is interested for a quick review.

Edit: a friend is sending me an O3 Tour to try along with a 26inch juniors racket for my nephew (next-gen Bublik).
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I haven't found any other reviews here on the forum, and scant other reviews aside from TW's own. Sure, i'd love to hear about it if you get the chance. Love my Synergy, but am intrigued by the Vortex and the Twistpower. Well, also by the Tour 98, since that was so highly touted by TW testers.
 
DJ- said:
Prince sales are big enough to continue making awesome frames. They are big in JP and have a solid backing with TW. I think you are right regarding the marketing. Could they become bigger? Absolutely, but seems like they are contempt. Makes you think though would they be this innovative if say they had multiple top ten players on tour.
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I was speaking only about the 97 vs 98 sq in TP when it came to marketing. And speaking of marketing, lose the 'twist power' label. It is difficult to take a porn name like that seriously.
Crossbow, X-power, etc etc. Just something different.
 
Lord of the Crags said:
I haven't found any other reviews here on the forum, and scant other reviews aside from TW's own. Sure, i'd love to hear about it if you get the chance. Love my Synergy, but am intrigued by the Vortex and the Twistpower. Well, also by the Tour 98, since that was so highly touted by TW testers.
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The Vortexes periodically go on sale for as low as $49. Wouldn’t be surprised to see huge savings on them at some point this holiday season.
 
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